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#1 Posted on 24.7.04 1447.37
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Anyone see this last night? I saw it at Alamo Drafthouse West Oaks in Houston. My buddies and I planned on seeing the 7:45 show. We got there early and everything, but the theatre was packed and the line was really long and the 7:45 one was sold out pretty quickly. We decided to hang around and see the 10:35, the theatre was really full.

I love the first film, and I was again pleased with the sequel. I still prefer the first film though since its not as..."over-edited". I think Doug Liman in the first film knew to use handi-cam in moderation, not so here with new director Paul Greengrass. But I still dug the sequel and I'm anxious and eager to see what they do with the third film, The Bourne Ultimatum. I think another author even wrote a fourth Bourne book after the original writer, Robert Ludlum passed away. Matt Damon should stay on as Bourne. Fuck James Bond, screw xXx, the spy-espionage thriller genre now belong to JASON BOURNE!

P.S.

The Bourne Supremacy is estimated at a $19 million opening for Friday, while the other new movie CINO opened up in third place behind I, Robot with $6 million.

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#2 Posted on 24.7.04 1614.07
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This may have VERY SLIGHT SPOILERS, but I was impressed with the continuity of the film and workrate of Matt Damon in the film. About two-thirds through the movie, Bourne jumps off a bridge and lands on a boat and lands wrong, hurting his left leg. He proceeds to sell the leg through the rest of the movie. Then, when I thought "He can't do much more..." he gets shot in the left shoulder and SELLS THAT TOO.

Matt Damon ownz. Seriously, the movie ruled and I'm glad that the trailer was as misleading as it was because for once, I was not anticipating anything in the story except for a good show. And that's what I got.
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#3 Posted on 25.7.04 1327.36
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http://www.boxofficemojo.com/weekend/chart/

THE BOURNE SUPREMACY is estimated at #1 in the Box Office with $53.5 million. Awesome news, bring on THE BOURNE ULTIMATUM! Also looks like Damon's career right now is doing a lot better than his buddy Aflac.

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Eat it I, Robot .
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#4 Posted on 25.7.04 1329.06
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I totally dug it, and much prefer Damon as the ass-kicking action star than as the romantic lead he was trying to be a few years ago. Ditto what Freeway said about Damon's continuity. I was pleasantly surprised by it.

Some questions, for those who might know: how do the films compare to the books? I know the books were centered during the Cold War and all, so how does everything translate? Would you recommend them?
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#5 Posted on 25.7.04 1342.34
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Let's see...

MATT DAMON:
Oscar nominee [Best Actor, 1997; Good Will Hunting]
Oscar winner [Best Original Screenplay, 1997; Good Will Hunting]
Golden Globe nominee [Actor-Drama, 1997 & 1999; Good Will Hunting & Talented Mr. Ripley]
Golden Globe winner [Screenplay, 1997; Good Will Hunting]
Humanitas Prize winner [Feature Film, 1997; Good Will Hunting]
6-time MTV Movie Award nominee
National Board of Review winner [Special Achievement in Filmmaking, 1997]
3-time SAG Award nominee
1998 ShoWest Convention Star of Tomorrow
WGA nominee [1997, Good Will Hunting]
Films Grossing Over $100M [4]: Bourne Identity, Ocean's 11, Saving Private Ryan & Good Will Hunting

BEN AFFLECK:
Oscar winner [Best Original Screenplay, 1997; Good Will Hunting]
Golden Globe winner [Screenplay, 1997; Good Will Hunting]
Humanitas Prize winner [Feature Film, 1997; Good Will Hunting]
5-time MTV Movie Award nominee
National Board of Review winner [Special Achievement in Filmmaking, 1997]
5-time Razzie Award nominee
2-time SAG Award nominee
WGA nominee [1997, Good Will Hunting]
Films Grossing Over $100M [6]: Daredevil, The Sum of All Fears, Pearl Harbor, Shakespeare In Love, Armageddon & Good Will Hunting

The consensus is that Affleck is in more movies (and thus, just barely makes more money on average than Damon), but Damon's films generally review better and he wins more awards.
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#6 Posted on 26.7.04 0051.31
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Plus, y'know, Ben Affleck was in Gigli, which is something he should never, ever be forgiven for.

I've always thought Matt Damon was a better actor, but Affleck can be good given the right roles. And both of them can be awesome as part of an ensemble cast, such as those in Ocean's Eleven and Dogma.

Of course, Ocean's Eleven and Dogma had the benefit of being very, very good movies, too. At least in my estimation.

On another note-- whoa, I knew Good Will Hunting was a great movie, but I had no idea how many awards it'd won! I saw the movie for the first time while I was on my first date with this girl Stefanie. And you can tell it wasn't a very good date, because I could remember about 99% of the movie. Contrast that with an earlier date, a year or two previously, with a girl I was actually serious about. She dragged me into the theater to watch the live-action version of 101 Dalmatians, and thank God, I can't remember anything about that movie.
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#7 Posted on 26.7.04 0815.45
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    Originally posted by ekedolphin
    She dragged me into the theater to watch the live-action version of 101 Dalmatians, and thank God, I can't remember anything about that movie.


Ugh - I think almost everyone has a movie they were dragged into for a date. Funny thing is, for my wife and I it was the same movie (with different dates, of course) - Disney's "Pocahontas" (blagh.).

I'll echo eke's thoughts too. I've never really had a problem with Affleck, but I just like Damon's style better. Mrs. whatever and I both enjoyed "The Bourne Identity" and are looking forward to seeing TBS as well. Of course, we're also really looking forward to "Ocean's 12". (hmm - that conceivably should tie Damon with Affleck on the "Films grossing over 100M " mark.)
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#8 Posted on 27.7.04 1004.16
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I saw it, and nearly asked for my money back, because the shitty camera work gave me motion sickness symptoms.

This movie had one scene that was simply ridiculous (the fight in the apartment), while the rest were merely filmed by drunken cameramen using handhelds from the back of moving pickup trucks going down bumpy dirt roads during mild earthquakes. I lasted about 40 minutes before I got nauseous, left to get some air, came back, lasted another couple of minutes and left for good.

I went to HersheyPark two weeks before and went on coasters that'd pull your teeth out of your head, and felt fine. I am not a person generally susceptible to motion sickness or vertigo. The two people I went with lasted longer, but both of them came out of the movie with headaches.

What kills me is that it couldn't have been accidental. This wasn't one scene that was badly shot, it was the whole damned movie.

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#9 Posted on 27.7.04 1028.06
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    Originally posted by vsp
    I saw it, and nearly asked for my money back, because the shitty camera work gave me motion sickness symptoms.

    This movie had one scene that was simply ridiculous (the fight in the apartment), while the rest were merely filmed by drunken cameramen using handhelds from the back of moving pickup trucks going down bumpy dirt roads during mild earthquakes. I lasted about 40 minutes before I got nauseous, left to get some air, came back, lasted another couple of minutes and left for good.

    I went to HersheyPark two weeks before and went on coasters that'd pull your teeth out of your head, and felt fine. I am not a person generally susceptible to motion sickness or vertigo. The two people I went with lasted longer, but both of them came out of the movie with headaches.

    What kills me is that it couldn't have been accidental. This wasn't one scene that was badly shot, it was the whole damned movie.

    (edited by vsp on 27.7.04 0805)


The camera work on the whole was very wobbly. A lot like the camera work in The Blair Witch Project.

This is a technique used in the first one (although done much better in the first one) to give the feeling that the audience is there.

But this new director over did it. That fight in the apartment was so shaky you couldn't see all the awesome fighting. I caught bits a pieces of it and could tell that there was some good hits happening, but the camera was moving too much for me to figure it out.

But I did think the story was a bit better than the first. More "spy" stuff as opposed to fights/action sequences. I liked Damon's performance. It satyed very true to the first and grew with the new story.
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#10 Posted on 27.7.04 1127.43
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    Originally posted by whatever
      Originally posted by ekedolphin
      She dragged me into the theater to watch the live-action version of 101 Dalmatians, and thank God, I can't remember anything about that movie.


    Ugh - I think almost everyone has a movie they were dragged into for a date. Funny thing is, for my wife and I it was the same movie (with different dates, of course) - Disney's "Pocahontas" (blagh.).


Try this one on...I was dating a girl from Australia and she dragged my to the Chevy Chase classic "Cops and Robbersons". I still haven't fully recovered.
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#11 Posted on 27.7.04 1454.37
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SPOILER ALERT for the those who haven't seen it, don't want to know what happens in it, but read reaction threads about it. So, you know, idiots.

Nice to know a couple people agreed with me. I couldn't enjoy this film because of the camerawork on all the action scenes. Absolutely terrible stuff, in my opinion. Also the murdering of the love interest was cliched, would have been much more compelling for her to disappear without a trace but not give any indication what happened to her. The heady "government agency" stuff is a little boring.

Not a bad movie, but certainly not worthy of praise.
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#12 Posted on 28.7.04 1042.41
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    Originally posted by whatever
      Originally posted by ekedolphin
      She dragged me into the theater to watch the live-action version of 101 Dalmatians, and thank God, I can't remember anything about that movie.


    Ugh - I think almost everyone has a movie they were dragged into for a date. Funny thing is, for my wife and I it was the same movie (with different dates, of course) - Disney's "Pocahontas" (blagh.)

What's the deal with you guys going to G-rated kid films to get your make out session in... That just seems wrong, Alanis would not be proud LoL
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#13 Posted on 1.8.04 0005.51
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    Originally posted by Ryan_A
    I know the books were centered during the Cold War and all, so how does everything translate? Would you recommend them?


SPOILERS HERE. Don't read past this if you don't want to know.


It seems like they're finally getting around to the plot of the books. We knew that Bourne was really David Webb at the end of the first book, as he killed the original Jason Bourne during Vietnam. This was actually kind of important in the third book, and if they do film The Bourne Ultimatum, I'm curious to see how they're getting around it.

I've only glanced at spoilers for the first two movies, but I take it there's a fake Jason Bourne in the second movie? There's one as well, but the plot was centered in Hong Kong and extremists over there.

Also, the Conklin character was much more important in the books. In the Bourne Identity, he tries to kill Bourne, because the government believes that he's snapped, and become the killer that he never was. (something else the movie sort of changed around)

I guess if you haven't read the books, the movie is fine. A similar analogy can be held for Jurassic Park, I think. Personally, I'd recommend the books.







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#14 Posted on 2.8.04 0221.38
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    Originally posted by chazworthington
      Originally posted by Ryan_A
      I know the books were centered during the Cold War and all, so how does everything translate? Would you recommend them?


    SPOILERS HERE. Don't read past this if you don't want to know.


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    It seems like they're finally getting around to the plot of the books. We knew that Bourne was really David Webb at the end of the first book, as he killed the original Jason Bourne during Vietnam. This was actually kind of important in the third book, and if they do film The Bourne Ultimatum, I'm curious to see how they're getting around it.

    I've only glanced at spoilers for the first two movies, but I take it there's a fake Jason Bourne in the second movie? There's one as well, but the plot was centered in Hong Kong and extremists over there.

    Also, the Conklin character was much more important in the books. In the Bourne Identity, he tries to kill Bourne, because the government believes that he's snapped, and become the killer that he never was. (something else the movie sort of changed around)

    I guess if you haven't read the books, the movie is fine. A similar analogy can be held for Jurassic Park, I think. Personally, I'd recommend the books.



Answers to your question in inviso text (hope it works):


Spoiler Below: Highlight text to read
There's not really a "fake" Jason Bourne in the second movie. There's a crooked Russian secret service agent named Kiril (Karl Urban) who sabotages and kills people at a CIA op. Kiril leaves Bourne's fingerprints at the scene of the crime in order to frame him. He then goes after Bourne where he is staying with Marie in India to kill him. If Bourne is framed for the crime and then killed, the CIA would be "chasing a ghost" forever.

Conklin does have a bit of a presence in the second movie during flashbacks to Bourne's first Treadstone mission.


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