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#1 Posted on 14.7.04 1129.34
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    The struggling Astros fired manager Jimy Williams on Wednesday, replacing him with Phil Garner.

    The Astros have called a 2 p.m. ET news conference to announce the move.

    Williams' job security had been the subject of speculation for about a month, from right about the time Houston's surprising tailspin down the NL Central standings began.

    Garner previously managed the Brewers and Tigers with a career record of 708-802. He has had one winning season, leading the Brewers to a 92-70 record in 1992, his rookie year as manager. He last managed the Tigers in 2002, losing the first six games of the season before getting fired.
I don't understand why you replace Williams with a guy in Garner who has one winning season in his life and has never sniffed playoffs...


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#2 Posted on 14.7.04 1250.05
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    Originally posted by Grimis
    I don't understand why you replace Williams with a guy in Garner who has one winning season in his life and has never sniffed playoffs...


    (edited by Grimis on 14.7.04 1229)


In all fairness, he managed the Tigers and the Brewers, neither of which were equipped to succeed in the years he was there. Payroll is one thing, personnel is another, and those teams had neither.

Although asking him to make up a 10 game gap with half the season left is asking a bit much, but it'll certainly be a change from Williams' approach.

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#3 Posted on 14.7.04 1303.00
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True, there were personnel issues with those teams. But I remember watching Garner manage as his teams played the Orioles. And he does not manage a game well at all. The only thing he may do is light a fire under this team, but I don't think that works as well with a veteran Astros team as it might have with the Marlins last year.
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#4 Posted on 14.7.04 1622.13
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It sounds like a temporary coaching gig for Garner. I would like to see the Astros pick up Bobby Valentine in the off season.

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#5 Posted on 14.7.04 1629.47
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    Originally posted by CajunMan
    It sounds like a temporary coaching gig for Garner. I would like to see the Astros pick up Bobby Valentine in the off season.
Since they plan on blowing up the team after this season, I would doubt Valentine would leave Japan for that gig. Could happen, but doubtful.
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#6 Posted on 15.7.04 0442.51
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    Originally posted by Blanket Jackson
      Originally posted by Grimis
      I don't understand why you replace Williams with a guy in Garner who has one winning season in his life and has never sniffed playoffs...


      (edited by Grimis on 14.7.04 1229)


    In all fairness, he managed the Tigers and the Brewers, neither of which were equipped to succeed in the years he was there. Payroll is one thing, personnel is another, and those teams had neither.

    Although asking him to make up a 10 game gap with half the season left is asking a bit much, but it'll certainly be a change from Williams' approach.




Hey, c'mon! Garner's 1992 Brewers squad just needed a little more time at the end of the season, and they would've eventually caught Toronto for the AL East title. It would've been nearly a sweep in the ALCS vs. Oakland, who the Brew Crew OWNED that year, and we would've finally had the "Hank Aaron's Legacy on a Pole Match" (or "Loser Stays in Milwaukee") World Series: Brewers vs. Braves.
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