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#21 Posted on 24.3.02 1312.30
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"Eh, it all sounds like party-line bullshit to me."

Yep, I'm certain. It's amazing how the Internet has the power to make favorable/non favorable policy and threaten the WWF so much that theyhave to fire off angry memos. I thought we were just jagoffs with keyboards.

""She runs funny": How about Steve Austin, HHH, and several others in the fed with funny runs?"

I haven't done a "funny run" study, so I'll bow to your authority there. I should point out though that she might have better luck if she'd pull her damn pants up before she does a wind-sprint.

""Bad forearm/punch": Let's go old school. One of my faves, Terry Funk, threw such a shitty punch that the only way to make it look good was to tag the guy for real."

Yes, but Terry could as, y'know, WRESTLE. It helps sometimes if you break up shitty punches and Huracanranas with wrestling, I find.

""awkward": Just because it's different doesn't make it awkward."

Yes. It could also be "sloppy" or in some rare cases, "shitty."

"All in all, I think the reason a lot of folks don't like Lita is because the IWC just has to have someone to dislike, and it's Lita's turn."

And Stepahnies, and Nash, and Rock, and. . .wow, it doesn't seem like it's turn-based, does it?

" In a little while, the hate will be focused towards someone else. "

Nahh. I'll still hate her just to thwart your theory. This seems like more of "There's nothing really to complain about, so let's gob on the faces of the smarks because their bashing something is interfering with my enjoyment."
We have two different opinions on the same thing. I PROMISE you there's room for both and it doesn't hurt you at all. Kay? Kay.
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#22 Posted on 24.3.02 1329.49
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Funny, I don't remember HHH or Austin having to do a goofy looking half skip before running the ropes. I do remember their punches actually traveling at a realistic speed instead of being thrown so slowly they don't look like they'd hurt even if they did connect.

I honestly don't know exactly how dangerous her moves are, I'll confess that. But there's no way you can contend she's as controlled a performer as she should be.

And I wouldn't kick her out of bed for doing sloppy moonsaults, but her face does look kind of skank-a-riffic at certain angles.


    Originally posted by EastCoastAvenger
    Eh, it all sounds like party-line bullshit to me. THink of the reasons stated:

    "She runs funny": How about Steve Austin, HHH, and several others in the fed with funny runs?

    "Bad forearm/punch": Let's go old school. One of my faves, Terry Funk, threw such a shitty punch that the only way to make it look good was to tag the guy for real. Besides, none of the top guys throw a decent punch, and the punch is 90% of their offense.

    "awkward": Just because it's different doesn't make it awkward. Yun said it best: If she's so awkward, where's the long list of injuries caused by her sloppiness. I remember a guy trying to use this same argument about the Undertaker, and it was bullshit in that case as well.

    All in all, I think the reason a lot of folks don't like Lita is because the IWC just has to have someone to dislike, and it's Lita's turn. In a little while, the hate will be focused towards someone else.

    As for her looks, I personally dig the rave chick/punk look, so she's hot a hell to me. This is all about personal preference though, so I won't say anyone's full of shit for not liking her looks. But I'd still bang her.

    Finally, you wanna compare moonsaults, do NOT bring Kurt Angle into it. Because of Angle's moonsault, Bob Holly spent months off tv with a broken arm. Lita has yet to cause a serious injury PERIOD. Now, Keiji Mutoh, THAT's a perfect moonsault!

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#23 Posted on 24.3.02 1628.30
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"Yep, I'm certain. It's amazing how the Internet has the power to make favorable/non favorable policy and threaten the WWF so much that they have to fire off angry memos. I thought we were just jagoffs with keyboards."

What's this "We" shit? Be a jag-off If you want, I'm more of a ruggedly handsome opinionated dude with a keyboard. Also, the power isn't there, but the ability to decide to dislike a performer for flimsy reasons is. Not that it'll actually change my opinions or anything...

"awkward", "sloppy", "shitty": While her offense isn't as crisp as the average graduate of the Hart Dungeon, I'm still not convinced of the sloppiness. Sloppiness=injuries, and the body count just isn't there. Now, if there were a list of people with broken bones, paralysis and the such, I'd be right there with you, but until then the argument still sounds paper-thin.



"And Stepahnies, and Nash, and Rock, and. . .wow, it doesn't seem like it's turn-based, does it?"

You haven't seen the post dealing with the "Big Daddy Bitch" comment, have you? This little pocket of the IWC, at least, has decided Nash is a victim of Rocky and must be defended against ad-libs. Quite a few "jag-offs with keyboards" seem to like him enough to defend his honor... Or is it just blind hatred of The Rock? Also, Stephanie sucks so much that the masses hating her isn't all that unbelievable. But it still seems pathetically turn-based. So who's next? I vote for HHH!

"Nahh. I'll still hate her just to thwart your theory. This seems like more of "There's nothing really to complain about, so let's gob on the faces of the smarks because their bashing something is interfering with my enjoyment."
We have two different opinions on the same thing. I PROMISE you there's room for both and it doesn't hurt you at all. Kay? Kay."

No, it's not okay. Dammit, my opinion is the only valid one and you WILL follow along like a good little sheep or feel my wrath!! Okay, I'm just kidding on that one. But it really does seem like a case of the IWC needing someone to dislike. "Smarts" and "Marks" alike dislike Stephanie, so the IWC needs those unique targets to set themselves apart. So, who's the next female the IWC loves to hate? I still vote for Stacy!

"Skank-a-rific"? Dude, that's harsh! Then again, the only WWF diva (including Sheph) who DOESN'T look like she's sucked more dick than a prostitute at the Bunny Ranch is Molly. Then again, she WAS "Miss Madness" so the freakiness she possesses may be beyone what even OUR dirty minds can imagine!
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#24 Posted on 24.3.02 1729.35
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Really, the notion that the eye-dubbya-see is some sort of collective unwavering hive mind is so antiquated it's almost quaint at this point. Ask for a poll of people's positions on HHH, the Rock, and Chris Jericho, and I guarantee you you'll get some fairly polarized opinions on all three.

Which is actually a much more valid complaint. It's always like everybody has to be either "God" or a festering, politicking boil destined to drag the WWF into a downward spiral from which we shall never recover.

See, I agree with all the individual complaints lodged at Lita, but I'm perfectly fine with her being on TV for the most part, though I generally wish the WWF would cycle through its midcard performers a little more.

And as to the skank-a-riffic comment, it's wierd. A straight on camera angle on Lita's face makes her look like a hard living 40 year old porn star, yet starting from about a 45 degree angle or so, she suddenly looks hot again. I don't claim to understand it.


    Originally posted by EastCoastAvenger
    "Yep, I'm certain. It's amazing how the Internet has the power to make favorable/non favorable policy and threaten the WWF so much that they have to fire off angry memos. I thought we were just jagoffs with keyboards."

    What's this "We" shit? Be a jag-off If you want, I'm more of a ruggedly handsome opinionated dude with a keyboard. Also, the power isn't there, but the ability to decide to dislike a performer for flimsy reasons is. Not that it'll actually change my opinions or anything...

    "awkward", "sloppy", "shitty": While her offense isn't as crisp as the average graduate of the Hart Dungeon, I'm still not convinced of the sloppiness. Sloppiness=injuries, and the body count just isn't there. Now, if there were a list of people with broken bones, paralysis and the such, I'd be right there with you, but until then the argument still sounds paper-thin.



    "And Stepahnies, and Nash, and Rock, and. . .wow, it doesn't seem like it's turn-based, does it?"

    You haven't seen the post dealing with the "Big Daddy Bitch" comment, have you? This little pocket of the IWC, at least, has decided Nash is a victim of Rocky and must be defended against ad-libs. Quite a few "jag-offs with keyboards" seem to like him enough to defend his honor... Or is it just blind hatred of The Rock? Also, Stephanie sucks so much that the masses hating her isn't all that unbelievable. But it still seems pathetically turn-based. So who's next? I vote for HHH!

    "Nahh. I'll still hate her just to thwart your theory. This seems like more of "There's nothing really to complain about, so let's gob on the faces of the smarks because their bashing something is interfering with my enjoyment."
    We have two different opinions on the same thing. I PROMISE you there's room for both and it doesn't hurt you at all. Kay? Kay."

    No, it's not okay. Dammit, my opinion is the only valid one and you WILL follow along like a good little sheep or feel my wrath!! Okay, I'm just kidding on that one. But it really does seem like a case of the IWC needing someone to dislike. "Smarts" and "Marks" alike dislike Stephanie, so the IWC needs those unique targets to set themselves apart. So, who's the next female the IWC loves to hate? I still vote for Stacy!

    "Skank-a-rific"? Dude, that's harsh! Then again, the only WWF diva (including Sheph) who DOESN'T look like she's sucked more dick than a prostitute at the Bunny Ranch is Molly. Then again, she WAS "Miss Madness" so the freakiness she possesses may be beyone what even OUR dirty minds can imagine!

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#25 Posted on 24.3.02 1750.47
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Not only does angle impact Lita's appearance, but seemingly so does distance, and not in the way one might expect. In one of the WWF magazines there's an ad for something Diva related, I think the Sex on the Beach video, and the ad is a full page close up of Lita's face, and she has nary a trace of skank about her IMHO. I fear the only way to solve this question is let me do an up-close full body examination on her...but I'm sure there'll be some disagreement on that point.

Oh, and ECA, the HHH-hating thing was all the rage back in early 2001, and I for one keep holding up the torch waiting for the masses to return to this wonderfully fun and completely correct mindset. ;)
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#26 Posted on 24.3.02 1755.53
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I wouldn't say hive mind. I'd say it's a lot more like the average high school: A few dominant voices, and everyone else who either goes along with them or is dubbed uncool or wierd.

Don't hold the torch, man! Just drop in your opinion when you see someone trying to spread this wholly un-healthy love of "that guy". As for the exam, I'll arm-wrestle you fo first crack (wait a second...) :D
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#27 Posted on 24.3.02 1759.26
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For the record Ive always liked Lita. I give her a break on her wrestling skill because the WWF has never really gave a damn about the women, except for Trish and Jazz as of late they dont give them time or memorable fueds to improve their ring skill.On the other Lita could probably develop Chris Benoit type skills and the WWF wouldnt give a shit, because women dont draw money, supposedly.

As far as her looks, once again I think shes mad hot. Shes not the prettiest girl (but she aint ugly either), she seems cool, and she has a great body, and I would love a woman I could wrestle with and who could practice her Ranas on me...lol. I always laugh when guys diss her, mostly because most guys that diss Lita or any other celebrity chicks have zero game when it comes to women. But Im rambling.

I also have to agree with ECA, I think the Stacy Keibler haters club will start soon. Im pretty sure that now thats she off TV "recovering" from her tabling, shes going to take the boob plunge. Im very sad but during the divas swimsuit thing she confirmed that she wanted bigger boobs. (sigh)Its frustrating, because she was perfect in my eyes, but its her body. I just hope she doesnt go enormous like Steffo did.

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#28 Posted on 24.3.02 1824.39
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I like Lita, because she doesn't look like a diva ie blonde and big breasts. I think she and Jazz are the more unique looking women in the division. I love Lita, but the WM and Raw match after WM were one of the worst of her career. I tought for sure, she broke Trish's leg during the Wretlemania match when she threw her into the ropes. I think Lita needs to improve a bit with her move set.

I don't know why people find Lita unattractive or untalented. She has great ariel ablity, the crowd loves her and has a good future if she doesn't go Sable on Vince.

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#29 Posted on 24.3.02 2212.23
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The thing with Lita that bothers me is that she hasn't improved at all. It looked like she said "hey I got over big time with this I'm sticking to it" If she improved half of what Trish has over the last year or so,s he would be as good as Molly.

Another thing that bothered the hell out of me was during the break up angle and they looked like they weren't really into it. After if failed Lita and Team Xtreme went out and said "see the fans want us together". I'm like because that's all they know and if you guys had any talent and got that storyline over it might bring something new.
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#30 Posted on 25.3.02 0833.42
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I can't believe I missed out on a Lita hate thread. Lousy social life getting in the way of my net time...

Lita's work: watch Lita do a top rope headscissors (it's NOT a 'rana). put the tape on slow motion (if that button isn't worn out, you perv). watch her head come about a half inch from the mat as she hap hazardly swings about like the used rag she is. watch with glee as Lita gets blown up two minutes into any given match. watch the wrestlemania 3-way debacle as her poor timing nearly cripples Trish for life...

but she's a great "ariel worker". I guess being a mermaid makes you more entertaining. I could make a really great fish joke here but it's early yet and I save most of that kind of stuff for Random

Oh, and she's a guy. To review:
square jaw
big hands
large upper arms
broad shoulders
fake breasts
no hips
no ass

but then again I guess she does appeal to a certain element of the audience....
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#31 Posted on 25.3.02 1318.24
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While I could never understand why Lita is always the "big deal" when it's about titles, while Molly never held the womens title, and her one-move-interferring in all of the Hardys matches just sucks, I really like her, she's actually *trying* to look good in the ring (still wonder why everyone is praising Trish, just because she isn't a trained wrestler???), her looks are great, I mean just look at her body.......yummy (okay, the boob job wasn't necessary, but still), and that's all I need. When I wanna see good wrestling, I don't watch the women, it's just fun, that's all!
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#32 Posted on 25.3.02 1436.21
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I dont recall hearing about how her so called sloppiness has lead to injuries.... so i dont have a problem with her ring work. I think she's hot and i'm watching her... not being critical of her ring work.
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#33 Posted on 25.3.02 1516.14
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Ah, so since YOU'RE not attracted to Lita, Travis, there's something wrong with any guy who is. Sounds like more bullshit to me...

I've seen her do her 'rana and it's very similar to the way I've seen some Japanese and Mexican workers do it. Once again "different" isn't always inferior, in fact if more WWF performers deviated from the "WWF style" the product would improve overall and we'd have fewer incidents of ignorant yokels saying ,"eew, what was THAT?", and style conflicts (like the Regal-everyone else matchups).



So, ummm... You know guys with fake breasts? Where are YOU hanging out?!
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#34 Posted on 25.3.02 1522.01
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That dude with Lita would make a great "before" if Brock Lesnar ever does a fitness commercial.
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#35 Posted on 25.3.02 1523.37
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    Originally posted by EastCoastAvenger
    Ah, so since YOU'RE not attracted to Lita, Travis, there's something wrong with any guy who is. Sounds like more bullshit to me...

    I've seen her do her 'rana and it's very similar to the way I've seen some Japanese and Mexican workers do it. Once again "different" isn't always inferior, in fact if more WWF performers deviated from the "WWF style" the product would improve overall and we'd have fewer incidents of ignorant yokels saying ,"eew, what was THAT?", and style conflicts (like the Regal-everyone else matchups).



    So, ummm... You know guys with fake breasts? Where are YOU hanging out?!



she's got very mannish features. that's all I'm saying hotshot. if that's your bag...well, that's your bag.

that's -not- a 'rana. it's a head scissors. your opinion of it's execution is a moot point. no matter how well (POORLY) she or anyone else does it, a rana requires the second worker to do a forward roll...her "move" requires a spinning motion from the person selling it (like hot death, for no apparent reason)

you know guys with REAL breasts? I mean, besides the guy in that picture up there....
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#36 Posted on 25.3.02 1523.41
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I have one solid reason for not wanting to see Lita on TV:

Whenever she's on the screen, my girlfriend starts screaming, "OH GOD I HATE THAT F***ING WHORE! I WISH SOMEBODY WOULD PUSH HER INTO A WOODCHIPPER!"

You can't imagine how hard that makes it to hear the commentators.

But Lita is really green and sloppy, and if the crowd didn't pop for her, she would've been sent to OVW over a year ago, and probably wouldn't be back yet. If you can't see the sloppiness, then you must be blinded by the gigantic fake bazoombas, which, if you're going to be blinded, is probably not the worst way.

Seriously, when she's out there, I just want the match to be over quickly. Not just to end the yelling, but so that we can move on to some more compelling television, like an injured dog angle or the birth of another handbaby. She has nowhere near the talent that the other real women wrestlers (Molly, Ivory, Jazz, even Trish)have in terms of telling a story or putting on a competent match. And she's death on the mic.

The whole interfering on behalf of the Hardyz is stale, too. It's destroyed their credibility as a tag team.

Later, Rudy
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#37 Posted on 25.3.02 1545.15
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So, MY opinion is a moot point and I have no choice but to bow to your declaration of Lita's rana being a "head scissors". Um... Nah, won't happen. It's called the Lita-canrana, it fits well enough in with other ranas I've seen to be called one, so I think I'll keep on calling it a rana.

By the way, don't -ever- call me hotshot!

What was the big boy packing? Looked like a C cup.

Rudy, see the previous thread remarks, my man. If she were really so sloppy, then where's the list of people injured by her moves? RVD,s caused quite a few black eyes with sloppy and stiff kicks. Vader broke a guy's back with a sloppy powerbomb. The Dudley's damn near killed Sandman with a sloppy 3-D. Sloppiness results in injuries. A sloppily done rana could result in a broken neck, or at least some minor head injuries. Where are these injuries that exist as a testament to Lita's "sloppiness"? Also: You have a girlfriend who not only watches wrestling with you, but drowns out JR's droning voice? Ask this woman to marry you!
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#38 Posted on 25.3.02 1600.51
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I think it's just stupid that Trish jobbed out so quickly to Lita (It was in recent weeks, cant remember the exact dates). I mean, I have seen worse women wrestlers (eg: Stacy Keibler), but Lita isn't what some make her out to be. Did anybody else notice that the stiffest match on the Wrestlemania card was the women's title match? If memory serves me right, Lita did at one point drop Trish right on her head. On the other hand, Trish seems to be getting better and better and isn't afraid to take big bumps. They should just feed Trish to Jazz for some much needed experience. Eventually, Trish will get better.
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#39 Posted on 25.3.02 1616.35
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    A Fan- Waiting for Lita's heel turn, so then she'll be an internet favorite.


Well it would freshen up her act and make sense of her interferance
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#40 Posted on 25.3.02 1625.06
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For the new sense of direction, hook her up with Eddy Guererro! Remember how Essa Rios and Lita got over? This could work even better, plus, Lita could work with Eddy on some new moves. I'd love to see her try that El Paso (rana into a funny, figure-four like leglock).

Also, if they bring Eddy back as the dick heel Eddy, Eddy could be a total sexist who flies off the handle every time Lita so much as looks at another guy. Of course, in response, Lita attacks every chick she finds Eddy with. A perfect, dysfunctional relationship!

Heck, bring DDP into it by having Lita attack Kimberly for shaking hands with Eddy too long. DDP tries to pull Lita off, and Eddy hits DDP with a chair for laying the grip on Lita's funbags.

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