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#21 Posted on 6.7.04 0912.26
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    Originally posted by Jaguar
      Originally posted by KaneRobot
        Originally posted by MollyFan2K2
        If you are into RPGs at ALL, then go with the PS2. X-Box has virtually none besides Fable


      KOTOR?


    As well as Morrowind and Balder's Gate.


And I also forgot Phantasy Star Online (with voice chat, no less).
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#22 Posted on 6.7.04 1024.12
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    Originally posted by KaneRobot
      Originally posted by Jaguar
        Originally posted by KaneRobot
          Originally posted by MollyFan2K2
          If you are into RPGs at ALL, then go with the PS2. X-Box has virtually none besides Fable


        KOTOR?


      As well as Morrowind and Balder's Gate.


    And I also forgot Phantasy Star Online (with voice chat, no less).


You see, but the thing is that with the exception of KOTOR, those games are all MMORPGs. The system is flooded with them, and PS2 has FFXI and Everquest, which I think (only my opinion) are both better than the X-Box lineup, although PSO and Baldur's Gate really are great games. If you take away MMORPGs, which not every RPG player particularly likes, you have KOTOR, and that is ONE game, and it's an actioner RPG, so there are no traditional style RPGs on the system (that I am aware of - don't want to have to eat my words later )

And Jag, of course FF7 isn't all you're playing. Gugs prolly meant it as just an example. You're playing FF 1-11 (sans 3), FF Tactics, the Suikoden series, the Lunar games, the Breath of Fire series, the Grandia series, the Tales Of... games, Chrono Trigger and Chrono Cross, the Dragon Warrior series, the SAGA games, the Star Ocean series, Thousand Arms, Brigandine, Valkyrie Profile, the Arc the Lad games, and Xenogears. And THAT is just PS1 backwards compatibility.
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#23 Posted on 6.7.04 1039.01
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Actually, (unless there's a new Baldur's Gate out) neither BG or Morrowind are MMORPGs. Morrowind is first person, and BG is party based 3d like KotOR.

Oh yeah, and PSO is on the Cube, not the Box.

As for me, I have no real interest in FFX, X-2, or XI. All the RPGs I enjoyed playing came out for the PSOne. So I just went and picked up a broken PS2 (wouldn't play DVDs anymore) from a friend when I had the urge for all those games. I wouldn't recommend that for regular PS2 games, because once they start to go, the load times for non-PS1 games are kind of unbearable.

-Jag
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#24 Posted on 6.7.04 1445.23
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I only own Xbox out of the three so I will describe that in detail while passing along info I know of the others.

The Xbox has the best hardware out of the three systems. 4 controller ports (unlike PS2), 8 gig hard drive (saves game files to eliminate need for memory card), ethernet adaptor (for system link and online play) and great graphics. Can play DVD movies with remote control add-on. I think that's fine since I won't use the same money to buy a memory card. Also can purchase a subscription to Xbox Live. It costs $50/year to play online but the service is the best organized online console service out there. Another add-on turns your Xbox into a karaoke machine, and you can sing over music in your hard drive as well.

Genres that Xbox excels at: FPS, racing, sports, action, Western RPG. (Halo, Riddick, Splinter Cell, Rainbow Six, PGR, Rallisport, MotoGP, Madden, ESPN, Ninja Gaiden, GTA, Shenmue, JSRF, Buffy, DOA3, Panzer Dragoon Orta, Star Wars: KOTOR, PSO, Morrowind, Fable, Jade Empire)

Genres that Xbox is weak: Japanese RPGs, MMORPG (the only planned MMORPG was cancelled last month), puzzle, music, platform)

Most of the best games in these genres are available for online multiplayer as well as offline. EA's Madden series will be online enabled this year. So will a pleothera of fighting games such as DOA: Ultimate, Street Fighter Anniversary, Mortal Kombat Deception, Guilty Gear XX, SNK vs Capcom, King of Fighters 2002/2003. Other upcoming games include Pro Evolution Soccer 4 (Winning Eleven 8), Conker's Bad Fur Day (w/ multiplayer), Burnout 3, Halo 2, Battlefield: Modern Combat, Star Wars Battlefront, Doom 3, Half Life 2, DDR Ultramix 2.

A Gamecube is better for Nintendo games obviously, as well as some choice Capcom games like Resident Evil or Viewtiful Joe. A PS2 would be more well rounded for it's larger library, especially if you like Japanese RPGs. PS2 also has online games but you need to buy the network adapter, but most of the games are free to play since Sony won't have to maintain anything. PS2 systems are more prone to break down than Xbox, while Gamecubes are supposed to be the sturdiest. The worst things about Xboxes is you could have a crappy disc drive that won't read discs sometimes. PS2s have longest load times while Gamecubes are the fastest, and Xbox is almost as fast.
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#25 Posted on 7.7.04 1617.38
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    Originally posted by Jaguar
    Actually, (unless there's a new Baldur's Gate out) neither BG or Morrowind are MMORPGs. Morrowind is first person, and BG is party based 3d like KotOR.

    Oh yeah, and PSO is on the Cube, not the Box.

    As for me, I have no real interest in FFX, X-2, or XI. All the RPGs I enjoyed playing came out for the PSOne. So I just went and picked up a broken PS2 (wouldn't play DVDs anymore) from a friend when I had the urge for all those games. I wouldn't recommend that for regular PS2 games, because once they start to go, the load times for non-PS1 games are kind of unbearable.

    -Jag


I was almost positive BG was a MMORPG... Does it at least have an online mode to play in addition to it's normal mode, like Diablo does? I must have gotten Morrowind confused with Fable it it isn't a MMORPG like you say. Are any of these games actually any good though? (genuine question)

So I've been called out on a few quibbles and some X-Box game misinformation, but my original point - that the PS2's lineup of RPGs smacks around the X-Box line - still stands. Of course if you're not too big into RPGs than it's a moot point.

Nevertheless Jag, if you enjoyed the PS1 FF games you really should give X and X-2 a shot. Really, really, really. Especially X. I also wasn't too pumped to play it but by the time I finally got around to it, I was thouroughly addicted to it in a very short amount of time. Just out of interest, which other RPGs do you like from PS1? And the DVD function might not be as dead as you believe - the "blowing" trick works as well with this newfangled 21st century system as it did with the original Nintendo 8-bit. (Or it may be just good and dead. )

As an aside to komarkaze, I think a good amount of that list of upcoming releases is actually multi-system. I know that Guilty Gear XX and SNK vs. Capcom 1 and 2 already are out for PS2, and I'm sure mainstays such as King of Fighters will be on the system as well. The one big exception I know of and am actually envious of is Dead or Alive Ultimate (DOA3 and Beach Volleyball have been the only two games to make me consider buying an X-Box.)

(edited by MollyFan2K2 on 7.7.04 1720)
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#26 Posted on 7.7.04 2027.17
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Balder's Gate DOES allow you to play multiplayer on the Box. Dunno about over the internet, but I'd guess that BG for the comp probably does allow you to do that. Morrowind... well, Morrowind IS RPG, to me anyway. A lot of people who played Final Fantasy and ended up thinking along the lines of, "Ah, so this is a Role Playing Game" tend to think differently though. FF and it's ilk have a lot in common with D&D in the mechanics, but the storyline (usually) only lets you play the role they set out for you, and to complete your adventure the way they want it completed.

Morrowind is all about choice. From character generation (race, class, country) to the guilds you join, the enemies you make, and your personal alignment everything is up to you. You don't even have to complete the main storyline if you don't want to. Morrowind is filled with choices, so the role you end up playing is all about what you want to do, and how you choose to react to the given situation. For some people, that's too much choice. But it's cool for me.

Note: I haven't played too much of Morrowind. It (or Steel Battalion) is probably the next game I buy. But I have played (and beaten) it's two predecessors, Daggerfall (Windows) and Arena (DOS).

-Jag
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#27 Posted on 8.7.04 0855.18
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My take:

If I take out games that are also available for the PC, PS2 or GameCube, I'm left with exactly _two_ Xbox games that interest me: Panzer Dragoon Orta and Deathrow. So much for THAT console. Okay, Jade Empire could be sweet, but that's not until December (at least).

I own a GameCube, but have barely used it. My wife's spent much more time on it than I have, thanks to her survival-horror games (Eternal Darkness, the Res Evils). I may pick up Pac-Man Vs. at some point, though, as that looks like a nifty game design. I bought Metroid Prime on impulse when I saw it for $19.99, but it's been sitting on my desk for almost a year now. I rented Wind Waker, hated it, and returned it before the rental period was up.

The PS2 has been my favorite by a wide margin. Hell, just for Disgaea alone I'd take it over the other two.

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#28 Posted on 8.7.04 1203.00
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    Originally posted by vsp
    Pac-Man Vs. at some point, though, as that looks like a nifty game design.


Pac-Man Vs. is awesome. I suppose it depends on the skill level of all involved, but its much harder (for Pac-Man) with two friends and a comp ghost than three ghost friends. That said, its awesome to play, though I think it makes playing regular old Pac-Man much easier when you are done.
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#29 Posted on 8.7.04 1213.11
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I mentioned the multi-platform fighting games because all of the ones listed will be online this year on Xbox. For PS2, the only online fighting game I'm sure of is Mortal Kombat Deception. The significance of online fighting games is it will ressurect the head-to-head competition that existed in the arcades years ago, especially since arcades have been dying for a long time. Fighting strangers online surely beats trying to find good competition in the same room with you offline. I wish that the Midway Arcade Vol. 2 would be online, because I'd love to play people in Mortal Kombat 1, 2 and 3.
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#30 Posted on 8.7.04 1446.26
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Personally, while I can appreciate that many of the X-Box and PS2 games are "better", I always find the GameCube games more "fun".

Hard to explain, but there you go.
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#31 Posted on 8.7.04 1656.59
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    Originally posted by MollyFan2K2
    So I've been called out on a few quibbles and some X-Box game misinformation, but my original point - that the PS2's lineup of RPGs smacks around the X-Box line - still stands.



Right now? Maybe. I'd say KOTOR is better than any RPG the PS2 has (and I'm not even a Star Wars fan) but PS2 certainly has MORE. Considering the Xbox has more RPGs on the way including KOTOR 2, Morrowind and KOTOR will hold people over nicely if they want RPGs but also want to be able to play Halo 2 or whatever.
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#32 Posted on 9.7.04 1102.51
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I like my PS2 and my X-box a ton.

Games for PS2
1) MGS2 (MGS3 when it comes out)
2) WWE Smackdown HCTP
3) Socom 1 & 2
4) Ratchet and Clank Series
5) NCAA football 2004 (2005 when it comes out)

Games for X-box
1) Halo
2) Kung Fu Chaos
3) Splinter cell (1&2)
4) Amped 2
5) Simpsons Hit & Run
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#33 Posted on 9.7.04 1616.42
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    Originally posted by KaneRobot
      Originally posted by MollyFan2K2
      So I've been called out on a few quibbles and some X-Box game misinformation, but my original point - that the PS2's lineup of RPGs smacks around the X-Box line - still stands.



    Right now? Maybe. I'd say KOTOR is better than any RPG the PS2 has (and I'm not even a Star Wars fan) but PS2 certainly has MORE. Considering the Xbox has more RPGs on the way including KOTOR 2, Morrowind and KOTOR will hold people over nicely if they want RPGs but also want to be able to play Halo 2 or whatever.


You're right, PS2 DOES have more, and variety is the spice of life. More games overall means more exceptional games.

I would have to disagree with your assertion that KOTOR is better than any PS2 RPG. I can think of three or four PS2 games I would say are better than KOTOR, but this is just coming down to personal opinions so the arguing is kind of pointless.

I would say though, that the X-Box is good for those who like a taste of RPGs while focusing more on shooters and action games - the console's bread and butter. But while they are exceptional games (KOTOR is for sure and from what I have learned of Morrowind here, it seems incredible) they are still so very few. Four or five games does not a viable genre make, especially after the console has been out for years. Duke still goes to the PS2 for RPG lovers.

Oh and to answer the original question:
PS2
-Final Fantasy X (and X2)
-Smackdown: HCTP
-Soul Calibur 2
-Metal Gear Solid: Sons of Liberty
-Kingdom Hearts

Gamecube
-Metroid Prime
-Legend of Zelda: Wind Waker
-the new as-of-yet unreleased Zelda
-Phantasy Star Online
-Mario Kart: Double Dash

X-Box
-Halo
-Dead or Alive 3
-Dead or Alive: XTreme Beach Volleyball (cheesy, I know, but still...;) )
-Ninja Gaiden
-Panzer Dragoon Orta

(edited by MollyFan2K2 on 9.7.04 1729)
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#34 Posted on 9.7.04 1626.43
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I'm probably in the minority here, but I'm going to add this.

Not all of us have hours and hours to play video games each week. With my schedule, I'm lucky to have 5 hours a week to play.

Now, I don't know about you, but for me at 5 hours a week, an RPG can take me months to finish.

I personally have more games than I can ever play, and more systems than I need. I still end up buying each of them for one or two games though - and I never feel cheated.

I come from a background of having to upgrade my computer for one or two games though - and that inevitably cost me $500-$700 a pop. I did that for each of the following games:

Wolf3d
Doom2
Quake2
Quake3
Unreal2k3

I don't think when I was doing the PC Upgrade cycle that I was ever getting more than 2-3 quality games per upgrade cycle. So, for me, $100 for a Gamecube and then a choice of 20 good games for it - well that seems like a bargain for me. You can't even get a good video card for $99 these days.

Yes, I got more out of the computers overall, but that's not the point. The point is, 5 great games should be enough to sell a system. It's a nice bonus that there are literally hundreds of mediocre / good games for the PS2 - but that's not a compelling enough reason for someone like me to overlook the Gamecube. I don't live to game - and when I am gaming, I want a fun game. If Nintendo builds a new system, and has 5 fun games for it, I'm going to buy it.

Hell, I only play Advance Wars 2 these days anyway. I finally bought Skies of Arcadia the other day, but I just can't get into something that takes that much committment. KOTOR is the only game recently that I've finished completely that had such a large scope (well, Wind Waker too, I guess).
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#35 Posted on 9.7.04 1646.27
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Guru, we come from opposite ends of the spectrum, I guess. I liked the fact that my original NES has gaming content that lasted me until the Super nintendo came out. Hell, I didn't buy any of my nintendo products until a year after release because I was still buying new games for my last system.

It always bugged me that not only would games for my PC come buggy and I would have to actually edit them and tinker with my CPU settings to get them to actually work, but that they expected me to buy a new computer for the next iteration. I enjoy gaming, but I'm always much more interested in a system that I can just sit down and turn on, rather than one that I have to either edit batch files or buy new parts to play.

Of course, running DOS-Based games was like you purchased two games in one. First you had to solve the puzzle of why the game crashes, then you can actually play it! These days it's kind of like how car maintinence has become. It's no longer "Do-it-yourself". If it's broke, you have to take it to a mechanic. If Diablo 2 or whatever won't run, you can't fix the problem you have to wait for a patch.

-Jag
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#36 Posted on 14.7.04 1854.39
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    Originally posted by Jaguar
    If all you're playing is FF7, just go pick up a used PS2 and play it until it dies.
If FF7 is all you're gonna play, why bother even picking up a PS2? Grab a PSone from a pawn shop for $20 or something.
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#37 Posted on 15.7.04 1937.51
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Because I hate Load Screens.

-Jag
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