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#1 Posted on 19.6.04 0131.12
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Courtesy of the Associated Press (sports.iwon.com)
    Originally posted by John Marshall, AP Sports Writer
    Shawn Estes allowed two runs in seven innings for his first win in a month and Todd Helton drove in three runs, lifting the Colorado Rockies to a 5-3 victory over the Baltimore Orioles on Friday night.

    The Rockies got eight hits off Sidney Ponson (3-9) and scored five runs off him to win for the third time in four games.

    Colorado got a run in the first inning on Helton's groundout after Royce Clayton tripled, and another in the fourth on Vinny Castilla's RBI double.

    The Rockies got three more runs off Ponson in the fifth inning on Clayton's single and Helton's two-run double to go up 5-1.

    Helton's double in the fifth inning was the 300th of his career.

Helton, a native of Knoxville, Tennessee, and the man who preceded Payton Manning as quarterback for the UT Volunteers (dailybeacon.utk.edu) continues to keep company among the best in baseball's history. Last year Helton matched Joe DiMaggio (authenticsportsinv.com) as the only players in MLB history to hit at least .315 with 25 home runs and 95 RBI in each of their first six full seasons, while becoming the only player in history to have three seasons with at least 50 doubles, 30 home runs and 100 RBIs. Helton is also the leader among active players in career slugging percentage ( .615 (bigleaguers.yahoo.com) , compared to Barry Bonds at .606 (bigleaguers.yahoo.com) through games completed on Jun 17, 2004). Congratulations to Todd Helton for tonight's performance, and on reaching a key career milestone.
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#2 Posted on 19.6.04 1914.27
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    Originally posted by Downtown Bookie
    Helton, a native of Knoxville, Tennessee, and the man who preceded Payton Manning as quarterback for the UT Volunteers (dailybeacon.utk.edu) continues to keep company among the best in baseball's history. Last year Helton matched Joe DiMaggio (authenticsportsinv.com) as the only players in MLB history to hit at least .315 with 25 home runs and 95 RBI in each of their first six full seasons, while becoming the only player in history to have three seasons with at least 50 doubles, 30 home runs and 100 RBIs. Helton is also the leader among active players in career slugging percentage ( .615 (bigleaguers.yahoo.com) , compared to Barry Bonds at .606 (bigleaguers.yahoo.com) through games completed on Jun 17, 2004). Congratulations to Todd Helton for tonight's performance, and on reaching a key career milestone.



I'm all for Helton, and am a fan of the way he plays the game, but you have to take into consideration the place he's called home his entire career. I'm not saying we can't celebrate his 300th 2B (although I'd never call it a "key" milestone), but I don't think we should be so quick to proclaim that he's in the company of the very best ever. His career home/road splits are just WAY too contrasting. It's not his fault he's played there his whole career, but as long as there are fields as offensively inflating as Coors, we have to put his stats into context before we compare him to Bonds, Dimaggio, Williams, Musual, etc. Take him out of Coors and he's merely "pretty good."
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#3 Posted on 21.6.04 1318.18
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I see the home/road splits..but I don't think Helton's home/road difference is as big as Dante Bichete's was. From 93 to 99, Bichete was marginal everywhere else, but was awesome at Coors. Bichete was the posterboy for Coors Field's stat padding, but I wouldn't lump Helton in there, just yet. I can't find his splits for the 2000 season.. but in that year he flirted with .400 and I believe he actually hit better away from Coors. His homerun in last year's All-Star game was straight-way to centerfield...so I think he has the power and skill to thrive anywhere else.

And yeah, I don't qualify a doubles mark as a key milestone, either.
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#4 Posted on 21.6.04 1446.47
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    Originally posted by estragand
    I see the home/road splits..but I don't think Helton's home/road difference is as big as Dante Bichete's was. From 93 to 99, Bichete was marginal everywhere else, but was awesome at Coors. Bichete was the posterboy for Coors Field's stat padding, but I wouldn't lump Helton in there, just yet. I can't find his splits for the 2000 season.. but in that year he flirted with .400 and I believe he actually hit better away from Coors. His homerun in last year's All-Star game was straight-way to centerfield...so I think he has the power and skill to thrive anywhere else.


Helton's home/away splits for 2000. A great year either way you look at it, but not better away than at home. The away batting average IS .353, but his runs and RBI's are WAY down from the home stats. For some more fun, check out his 1999 splits. Ouch.

And you can't bring Dante Bichette into the equation cause no one's comparing him to Bonds, Dimaggio, etc. The exceptions are the ones who DON'T hit better at Coors (I'm sure they exist, I just have better things to do today than find the two of them). According to Bill James' book "Win Shares," Coors Field's 2001 "Park Factor" was 1.52. A nuetral park is 1.00 (TB Devil Rays, 0.9945). If you're greater than 1.00, you're more of a "hitter's park." Below, you're more of a "pitcher's park." The worst hitter's park in 2001 was Pac Bell, with a 0.8179, followed by Jack Murphy and Chavez Ravine (0.8344). After Coors, the best hitter's park was Minute Maid Park...way down at 1.1092, a 79% drop towards neutrality. And this was a CONSERVATIVE year for Coors (1.615 in 2000). So Coors is in a world its own, as are its hitters.

Still, I admit Helton's a good player...but you can't say he's as good as his total stats suggest, and you definitely can't fairly compare his slugging% to Bonds, who's played his entire career in pitcher's parks, extremely so since 1993. Just imagine is Bonds played the majority of his career at Coors.

Helton would "thrive" anywhere else sure, but I wouldn't expect him to average much better than .300-30-100. And he probably wouldn't have 300 2Bs yet either ;)
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