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#21 Posted on 17.6.04 0922.42
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Jerry Reinsdorf, The Tribune Company, The McCaskeys, Bill Wirtz. These are who own Chicago's main sports teams. I don't think there can be a more torturous group of owners in one city without even one redeeming owner in the bunch.

Our baseball teams haven't won a World Series since 1917. One of our teams considers it a good year if they beat the other team in town. That team on the other hand considers it a good year if no weird plant virus strikes their outfield wall.

Our hockey team is outdrawn by the AHL team that plays in freaking Rosemont. No title since 1961, though you could comprise a Hall of Fame roster from guys that we gave up (Belfour, Roenick, Chelios, Amonte, Hasek, etc.)

Our basketball team had an amazing run at which point The Fat Man decided to try and prove he, not Jordan, was the key person in the Bulls winning those titles. Suffice to say if he hadn't left, we'd be calling Jerry Krause a "veteran of the lottery process" a la Elgin Baylor.

Da Bears have never seriously contended since 1986 or so, after somehow blowing the core group that was the most dominant team in NFL history. There's not much hope on the horizon for them anytime soon. Our best players are renowned for slogging through endless failure (Butkus, Payton, Sayers, etc.)

No one suffers more year round and consistently over the history of sports (after all, we have both teams since 1900 in baseball, original NFL franchise, and an Original Six in hockey). Welcome to Chicago.
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#22 Posted on 17.6.04 1043.48
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    Originally posted by A Fan
    I would also echo Philly and Cleveland even though I'd put Boston as number 1, but with the Patriots winning two out of three years, I can say why they went down. I do think Cleveland should be number 1 considering they have never won a championship in my lifetime. Plus, I'm a Steelers' fan, so I like rubbing it in.





I know people forget, but before they folded the franchise the Celtics did win 16 NBA World Titles, so its tough to put Boston ahead of towns with no titles.
As for Cleveland, they get #1 just because of The Lake catching on fire.
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#23 Posted on 17.6.04 1045.58
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I'm surprised no one mentioned New York as a possible #1 or #2??

Granted you've had a successful Yankees team to root for, but otherwise it's been pretty slim pickins...

The Giants, Jets, Rangers, Mets & Islanders have not given many New York fans a lot to look forward to in a long time. I can't think of another city that has FIVE teams it suffers with!!!
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#24 Posted on 17.6.04 1051.39
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    Originally posted by estragand
    Don't want to sound like a homer, but I'd make a case for Denver being in the top 2.


Maybe it's because of my age, but I hardly feel that Denver is a "tortured" sports city. And in the top 2? You've gotta be kidding me.
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#25 Posted on 17.6.04 1105.26
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    Originally posted by Broncolanche
      Originally posted by estragand
      Don't want to sound like a homer, but I'd make a case for Denver being in the top 2.


    Maybe it's because of my age, but I hardly feel that Denver is a "tortured" sports city. And in the top 2? You've gotta be kidding me.


I lived in Denver during the Super Blowout run and back then you could have made a good case for inclusion on the list but 2 Super Bowls and 2 Stanley Cups later I can't see Denver claiming a spot. The Nuggets were actually pretty good and fun to watch during the Doug Moe years and the only baseball & hockey was minor league and nobody really cares how a minor league team does.
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#26 Posted on 17.6.04 1159.01
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    Originally posted by redsoxnation
      Originally posted by A Fan
      I would also echo Philly and Cleveland even though I'd put Boston as number 1, but with the Patriots winning two out of three years, I can say why they went down. I do think Cleveland should be number 1 considering they have never won a championship in my lifetime. Plus, I'm a Steelers' fan, so I like rubbing it in.





    I know people forget, but before they folded the franchise the Celtics did win 16 NBA World Titles, so its tough to put Boston ahead of towns with no titles.
    As for Cleveland, they get #1 just because of The Lake catching on fire.


Hey. It was the river, not the lake. And it actually caught on fire TWICE.

I've got a feeling that Philly's going to be No. 1, just because of the way they've suffered recently _ three straight losses in the championship game, the Flyers bowing out every year, the Sixers stealing game one from the Lakers a couple years ago then getting waxed in four straight.

Although, if they look at it over the last 25 years, then it's gotta be Cleveland. Two back-to-back gutwrenching losses in the AFC championship game (Damn you John Elway!) The Shot and the Indians losing two world series in three years after being the laughingstock of baseball for so long.

And, to top it all off, John Elway's getting inducted into the Hall of Fame this year in Canton. Which is about an hour south of Cleveland. Anybody wanna bet that he gets booed?
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#27 Posted on 17.6.04 1201.50
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I know people are going to laugh me out of the thread for saying this, but I think everyone underestimates the HELL Los Angeles sports fans endure - and the reason the Lakers are so popular, although they too contribute (see also: NBA Finals, 2004).

If you are a fan of any sport other than basketball in Los Angeles:

Dodgers - forget about it.

Angels - win a World Series, and then go back to royally sucking (although this year is looking promising).

Clippers - long and frustrating life.

Ducks - actually make a go of it, then they dismantle the team and sell off their most popular player.

Kings - had it, lost it, not getting it back anytime soon.

And I heard they play football in this country, but I wouldn't know because I live in Southern California. But let's look at it anyway:

Raiders - won when they moved to LA, then kept losing and moved back to Oakland.

Rams - stunk for years. YEARS. Moved to St Louis and started winning SuperBowls. I only watch football to see the Rams lose.

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#28 Posted on 17.6.04 1227.40
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    Originally posted by Von Maestro
    I'm surprised no one mentioned New York as a possible #1 or #2??

    Granted you've had a successful Yankees team to root for, but otherwise it's been pretty slim pickins...

    The Giants, Jets, Rangers, Mets & Islanders have not given many New York fans a lot to look forward to in a long time. I can't think of another city that has FIVE teams it suffers with!!!


That's really stretching it don't you think? Just look at the last 25 years:

Islanders: 3 Stanley Cups.
Rangers: 1 Stanley Cup.
Giants: 2 Super Bowl Championships + 1 NFC Championship
Jets: You got me there. Made the playoffs a couple of times.
Knicks: 2 NBA Finals.
Yanks: 4 World Series Championships + 3 AL Pennants.
Mets: 1 World Series Championship + 1 NL Pennant.

New York should be the last city on this list.
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#29 Posted on 17.6.04 1252.08
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    Originally posted by David Adams
      Originally posted by Von Maestro
      I'm surprised no one mentioned New York as a possible #1 or #2??

      Granted you've had a successful Yankees team to root for, but otherwise it's been pretty slim pickins...

      The Giants, Jets, Rangers, Mets & Islanders have not given many New York fans a lot to look forward to in a long time. I can't think of another city that has FIVE teams it suffers with!!!


    That's really stretching it don't you think? Just look at the last 25 years:

    Islanders: 3 Stanley Cups.
    Rangers: 1 Stanley Cup.
    Giants: 2 Super Bowl Championships + 1 NFC Championship
    Jets: You got me there. Made the playoffs a couple of times.
    Knicks: 2 NBA Finals.
    Yanks: 4 World Series Championships + 3 AL Pennants.
    Mets: 1 World Series Championship + 1 NL Pennant.

    New York should be the last city on this list.


If Boston (with the Celtics & Patriots) & Chicago (who with Michael Jordan alone should not be considered tortured) can make the list, then I don't think NY would be a stretch at all.

Plus you have to remember that everything in NY sports is more magnified than any other city.

BTW, a few comments on your list:

The Isles won 4 Stanley Cups, but then sucked for years & years.
The Rangers won 1 cup since 1940 & have sucked since. I hate they Rangers, but there's no denying their fans do suffer.
The Giants have had some success, but around those few good years they put their fans though some pretty torturous stuff (Ray Handley anybody...?).
The Jets alone should get NY the nod :-)
The Knicks are a perfect example of making a city suffer. Two finals appearances in years where Jordan took off & they STILL couldn't win.
Yankees success goes without saying, but their success does make the NY Met fans (like myself) suffer!!
See the last sentence for the Mets.
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#30 Posted on 17.6.04 1307.35
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As far as the Jets go at least, those soldiers who are their fans knew the dangers when they signed up for that mission.
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#31 Posted on 17.6.04 1319.37
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No way NY makes the list. The Yankees, plain and simple. The winningest team of the last century. The most championships, in any sport. Mets, Rangers, Islanders, Giants all had successes themselves, but the Yanks really do carry the Jets.

2. Philly
1. Cleveland

That's the list end.

Philly; Eagles, Fliers, 76ers, and the Phillies all have proven themselves to be choke artists at one point or another.

Cleveland: Same as the Philly teams, only they don't have Rocky to look up to.
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#32 Posted on 17.6.04 1341.13
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    Originally posted by Lexus
    Cleveland: Same as the Philly teams, only they don't have Rocky to look up to.


They have CERRANO~ at least. Doesn't that count for something?

"Straight ball I heet BERRY much. Curveball, bats are afraid"
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#33 Posted on 17.6.04 1350.09
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    Originally posted by Lexus
    No way NY makes the list. The Yankees, plain and simple. The winningest team of the last century. The most championships, in any sport. Mets, Rangers, Islanders, Giants all had successes themselves, but the Yanks really do carry the Jets.

    2. Philly
    1. Cleveland

    That's the list end.

    Philly; Eagles, Fliers, 76ers, and the Phillies all have proven themselves to be choke artists at one point or another.

    Cleveland: Same as the Philly teams, only they don't have Rocky to look up to.


And the really sad part is that both cities have a good knowledgeable fan base. They are pretty true blue and loyal. That is waht is so frustrating about the fair weather fans in LA and other area. Although you gotta love Cubs fans.
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#34 Posted on 17.6.04 1352.12
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Hey, what about (my favorite sports city)? Oh sure, we've had success with (last championship team), but with (loser team) and the trials of (good, but not championship team) we should be a lock for the top 10.
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#35 Posted on 17.6.04 1443.13
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    Originally posted by redsoxnation
      Originally posted by A Fan
      I would also echo Philly and Cleveland even though I'd put Boston as number 1, but with the Patriots winning two out of three years, I can say why they went down. I do think Cleveland should be number 1 considering they have never won a championship in my lifetime. Plus, I'm a Steelers' fan, so I like rubbing it in.





    I know people forget, but before they folded the franchise the Celtics did win 16 NBA World Titles, so its tough to put Boston ahead of towns with no titles.
    As for Cleveland, they get #1 just because of The Lake catching on fire.


As for thinking Boston should be #1, Simmons said it best in his article addressing the issue (a link to it is posted earlier in this thread) and he makes a good point. As for NY being on the list, maybe but not at the top. The success of the Yanks tends to hype up the other NY sports teams as much as the failures of the Red Sox tend to bring the other Boston teams down in many peoples eyes, IMO.

I think it's gonna be Philly and Cleveland going 1 and 2 (pick your order, although I agree with Simmons that #1 should be Buffalo).

And RSN, the C's are alive and well thank you. I know you said Rivers made some racist remark about Boston in his book and you wouldn't root for them anymore. I know of the book but not of any remarks he supposedly made about Boston. And when myself and others asked you for those remarks you never responded. Now if they hired Byron Scott then I'd be joining you.

Oh and RSN, speaking of Cleveland and its lake, you must remember Oil Can Boyd's quote after a Sox/Indians game got postponed because of excessive fog....

"That's what happens when you build a ballpark by the ocean."



(edited by BOSsportsfan34 on 17.6.04 1548)
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#36 Posted on 17.6.04 1523.20
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Maybe it's just because I live here, and there is no way I would put this city in the top 2, but New Orleans ought to be somewhere up there. The Saints have won the fewest playoff games of any team in the entire NFL and they have been around since 1967. I mean, come on, that has to count for something. As for the Hornets, they just came here two years ago and have bowed out in first round both of those seasons and promptly fired the coach. Aside from LSU (which is actually in Baton Rouge) winning the college football title last year (first one since 1958), there is just absolutely nothing there.
As for my opinion, #1 definitely should be Philly.
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#37 Posted on 17.6.04 1730.35
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    Originally posted by TigerFan55
    Maybe it's just because I live here, and there is no way I would put this city in the top 2, but New Orleans ought to be somewhere up there. The Saints have won the fewest playoff games of any team in the entire NFL and they have been around since 1967. I mean, come on, that has to count for something. As for the Hornets, they just came here two years ago and have bowed out in first round both of those seasons and promptly fired the coach. Aside from LSU (which is actually in Baton Rouge) winning the college football title last year (first one since 1958), there is just absolutely nothing there.
    As for my opinion, #1 definitely should be Philly.


Much like Simmons said San Diego shouldn't be on the list because people are too busy enjoying the weather to care, New Orleans probably gets left off because people are too busy enjoying Bourbon Street to care.
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#38 Posted on 17.6.04 1808.12
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Hey, at least Philly lost to the eventual Superbowl Champion two out of three times. The last time the Vikings were in the NFC Champion game, Anderson missed the UNMISSABLE and the lost to the FREAKING FALCONS. Those words make my eyes bleed.

And Simmons is right, Buffalo has suffered the worst sports disaster in the world.

1)Buffalo
2)Cleveland
3)Minneapolis
4)Philly
5)Wasington DC

-Jag

Chicago WAS at #5, but you guys had the 46, MJ, and Ferris freaking Bueller. Cleveland was not booted off the list because Major Leage 2 and 3 balance out the positives of the first one.
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#39 Posted on 17.6.04 1849.36
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    Originally posted by Jaguar
    Hey, at least Philly lost to the eventual Superbowl Champion two out of three times. The last time the Vikings were in the NFC Champion game, Anderson missed the UNMISSABLE and the lost to the FREAKING FALCONS. Those words make my eyes bleed.

    And Simmons is right, Buffalo has suffered the worst sports disaster in the world.

    1)Buffalo
    2)Cleveland
    3)Minneapolis
    4)Philly
    5)Wasington DC

    -Jag

    Chicago WAS at #5, but you guys had the 46, MJ, and Ferris freaking Bueller. Cleveland was not booted off the list because Major Leage 2 and 3 balance out the positives of the first one.


Well considering about Chicago...

1. They had MJ but the Bulls were bad before him and now they are bad again after him.

2. 85 Bears was probably the best Super Bowl champ ever but haven't been doing much since. Before that it was 1963 when they last won a NFL title.

3. Blackhawks? Last cup win was 1961. Even Maple Leaf fans laugh at their lack of success.

4. Cubs and White Sox. Both have gone longer without a world series victory than the Red Sox.

Chicago may not be the most tortured but they are top 5.

(edited by BOSsportsfan34 on 17.6.04 1950)
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#40 Posted on 17.6.04 1927.49
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AMEN Whatever!!!

You couldn't as much drink a Coors in up in these parts in the late 80's, if I'm not mistaken someone shot his neighbor for being a Broncos fan. I was a fan back in those days, and yeah, it was heartbreaking all three years. Yes, Elway was public enemy number 1, until Modell moved the REAL browns to Baltimore (Which I should say were mere days after the region was on its greatest high EVER thanks to the incredible 95 Indians team.)

97 was as heartbreaking, cause the team was underachievers for most of the year, had a banged up pitching staff, but just caught on fire after game 1 against the Yanks. To be honest I turned the game off in the 9th when Mesa blew it, cause I knew the outcome. Not as painful, cause Cleveland isn't a baseball city. But still, painful.

And lets not forget we would have probably been NBA champs in 92 if it wasn't for some guy named Jordan. But we are in good company there.
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