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#1 Posted on 21.3.02 1411.42
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So I'm flipping through the channels yesterday and BET is doing a documentary (called LifeTrack) on Black WWF stars (OK, so it was second-rate Black WWF stars). They did D-Von, Coach, and Jazz, and it was pretty good. I love Coach, by the way.



Nothing was mentioned on the RAW/SmackDown about this, and they always shill EVERYTHING WWF stars are on. I checked out WWF.com and the Torch, etc. and didn't see any mention of it. Is this because it was a rerun that was done a while ago (although it couldn't have been that long ago, as Jazz was talking about being women's champ), or did I miss something, or did the WWF really just drop the ball? If so, I really don't want ot bring the big "R word into things, but the WWF missing an opportunity to shill it's wrestlers being on another show (or in any kind of cross-promotional thing) is really out-of-character for them.

Plus I don't really know who's fault this is, but D-Von? Jazz and Coach I can understand, since Jazz is women's champ and Coach is the first Black host in the WWF, but D-Von? I can understand if there's problems getting the Rock, but Booker or Farooq are both bigger stars than D-Von. I can't hate on D-Von too much though, as he was pretty funny. Coach was hilarious though.



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#2 Posted on 21.3.02 1413.58
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Coachman's black?


Sorry, couldn't resist.

I, for one, marked out at "what up, G?".

He is SO Carlton 2k2.
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#3 Posted on 21.3.02 1420.37
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Dude, if you thought he was Carlton 2K before, you HAD to check this out.

#1 - he's from Kansas!
#2 - he talks about how D-Von is a closet rapper. Then they cut to D-Von who's cracking up and explaining that he just takes lyrics from old rap songs (Biggie, Tupac, EPMD) and puts in "D-Von" or "the Dudly Boyz" instead of the rappers name, and Coach gets all impressed and thinks it's original stuff.

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#4 Posted on 21.3.02 1423.15
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So basically Coach is the WWF equivilent of everyone's dumbass younger cousin in the hood. Gee I sure hope Bradshaw doesn't know that...
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#5 Posted on 21.3.02 1426.12
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Now you guys are forcing me to look for that interview that Coachman danced the Charleston and Rock literally booted his ass out the picture on WWF.com. Carlton Banks 2002. No question.
I'm wondering if Maven will appear on that show in the future.....
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#6 Posted on 21.3.02 1428.47
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    Originally posted by Kawshen
    Now you guys are forcing me to look for that interview that Coachman danced the Charleston and Rock literally booted his ass out the picture on WWF.com. Carlton Banks 2002. No question.

    I'm wondering if Maven will appear on that show in the future.....



I'm not trying to be funny here (shocker), but I was under the impression Maven wasn't black. Maven's a hebrew word, iirc. But I could be wrong.

And what about Nidia. IF she's black. I dunno.

I'm too white.
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#7 Posted on 21.3.02 1443.23
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On the original topic, I think this was a WrestleMania week thing, and they mentioned it in connection with the weeklong WWF programming bloc (along with the Diva's special, the TNN special, et al.) so I think this would just be a rerun.
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#8 Posted on 21.3.02 1502.23
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I'm not trying to be funny here (shocker), but I was under the impression Maven wasn't black. Maven's a hebrew word, iirc. But I could be wrong.

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Outta curiostity, what hebrew word would Maven be? And why would somebody named travis know?
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#9 Posted on 21.3.02 1543.11
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You're probably thinking of the Yiddish word Maven, which literally means "teacher" but is more used as a slang term for "know-it-all." As in "when did you become such a maven on Hebrew names?

But anyway, there's a ton of names out there that are derived from Hebrew, mostly through the Bible, that are mainly non-Jewish names. It's not just a Jewish thing also. I mean, Tyrone is county in Ireland, but there ain't a while lot of Irish people named Tyrone anymore.

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#10 Posted on 21.3.02 1548.17
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That being said I'm still not so sure that Maven is black. Not that it's really pertinent to his ability (he's greener than HHH's piss), but I suppose his inclusion/exclusion from BET programming might be relative to his racial background. And cripes, I blow the Yiddish/Hebrew spot and suddenly people want my head. And not in the usual loving way.
I did say "I could be wrong"....geez....
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#11 Posted on 21.3.02 1603.41
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And cripes, I blow the Yiddish/Hebrew spot and suddenly people want my head.

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I was just curious is all. And was that what your were going for the whole "teacher" thing? or were you aiming for Maveen as in understand? Or maybe something entirely differnent
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#12 Posted on 21.3.02 1904.22
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Moe: "If so, I really don't want ot bring the big "R word into things..."

Wow, VERY few responses actually dealing with the question of the WWF showing racism in not plugging a show on BET featuring several of their stars. Way to dodge the issues. Now, racism isn't a subject that brings the LOVE, I know, but at least answer the guy, don't try to ignore the question.

To answer the question (sorta-kinda), it wouldn't surprise me one bit if it was racism since the WWF (and WWWF) hasn't exactly been a paragon of racial equality in its history, if you weel. In fact, just from the mid-80s to now, they've had some racist behavior. From the "Saba Simba" debacle, to the fact that non-white WWF (world)champs since the 70s are few and far between (um, Pedro Morales, and the Rock lemme know if I missed any). Maybe it was racism, maybe it slipped the mind of whoever takes care of advertising shows featuring WWF talent (after all, the WWF ain't all that great at paying attention to the details)

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#13 Posted on 21.3.02 2155.27
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'Cept that like I posted, they did plug it. So I guess there's no point in talking about it.
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#14 Posted on 22.3.02 0722.39
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Even if they didn't mention it at all, I don't think it would be due to racism. The other appearances are on channels like MTV and NBC--networks that are probably already popular with a lot of the audience. They share a lot of common advertisers as well. I don't think either one of those is the case with BET. It would be like saying the WWF was anti-religion if Chris Jericho appeared on a religious channel and the WWF didn't plug it.

But as was said earlier, the WWF DID mention it, so it's beside the point. And to be honest, I can't see the WWF trying to plug a show that features none of their top stars--no offense to D'Von.
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#15 Posted on 22.3.02 0742.27
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On the original topic, I think this was a WrestleMania week thing, and they mentioned it in connection with the weeklong WWF programming bloc (along with the Diva's special, the TNN special, et al.)

From the 3-11 CRZ RAW recap

WWF TV this week graphic - seven big shows in the next six nights! Fire 'em up! Tomorrow, Flashback on TNN! Wednesday, Divas Have Sex on UPN! Thursday is SmackDown! and Tough Enough, Saturday Excess, and Sunday is Heat leading up to WRESTLEMANIA

As far as them not shilling it because they were second-rate stars on a (sorry BET) second-rate network, give me a break. The WWF shills live apperances by inactive stars on the shows (Chris Benoit's going to be at the Kansas City something, and they mentioned that more than once). Do you remember when they kept hyping Edge's 3 second (jobbing, I might add) apperance on Highlander Endgame, not exactly a blockbuster? I would think they would hype a whole show on their stars.

I'm not saying it has to be racism. Another reasonable answer is maybe the WWF sees that show as having crossover with potential future "WWF fanatic" or "before they were stars" videos and doesn't want to help give away their stories for free. Maybe they eventually want to do their own documentary on Black WWF stars (which would also explain the lack of higher-level folks on the shows). Heck, maybe the producer just pissed off Vince for some reason (not too unprecidented). But that show was definitely way under-hyped.

Moe


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#16 Posted on 22.3.02 1105.21
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This was definitely on WWF.com, on the list of TV appearances. What about all the Canadian TV they did last week? None of that was mentioned on WWF programming either.

NBC and MTV are a bit higher profile, that`s all. And the Divas special & the Flashback..well those were on TNN and UPN, of course those would get the most hype.
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#17 Posted on 22.3.02 1124.36
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I was just gonna mention all the Canadian shows they were on but you beat me to it. The guys on the shows were UT, HHH, Jericho, Flair, I think they qualify as big stars. Hell I even saw Scotty, Albert and maybe the Hardys on Electric Circus (Canada's most high Profile show) and there was no mention of this at all.

So does this mean the WWF is racist and anti-Canadian? <----That is Sarcasm btw.
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#18 Posted on 22.3.02 1128.07
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Hey, any chance to call the WWF racist, I leap on it. Why? To get people talking about it! The more people talk about it, the less likely they are to think they can get away with doing it. Also, Spiraling Shape, you have a point, they're not just racist, the rat bastards are NATIONALIST too!! They could have shown Canadian TV SOME love, especially with all the shows they do in Canada.

Regarding the documentary itself, how was it? I have yet to see the show and it sounds pretty good (if only to see Coach show some charisma!). I've checked my local listings, but the only time it seems to be showing within the next month conflicts with bar time (do NOT get between a college senior and his Guiness-it could get downright ugly!).

Mmmmmm... Divas. Had to be said! Why do they persist in trying to make the fans buy that Lita and Matt Hardy are an item?! Dammit, she'd tear that little bastard apart in the bedroom! She needs a big guy, preferably with martial arts experience [cheap pop from all the judo stylists!]. Besides, Matt looks like he's hung like a pimple.
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#19 Posted on 22.3.02 1150.02
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The documentary was kind of cool for a "flipping through channels, hey look at that!" kind of show, but I wouldn't go out of my way to see it. It was essentially D-Von, Jazz, and Coach talking about various stuff, with some commentary from Buh-Buh, and a few others also (Teddy Long gets a scene) and some scenes from the shows.

Jazz was not too interesting and a little guarded, but D-Von and Coach seemed really relaxed and were both pretty entertaining. They generally just talked about their lives and work and how they got into wrestling. Regualr documentary stuff you'd expect.

Coach seemed completely like the guy he comes across as on TV. He also used "African-American" in places ever white people would say "Black guys" or "Brothers," which made him sound kind of goofy. As in "You know, people think there aren't any African-Americans in Kansas, but we've got some African-Americans there."

Moe

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#20 Posted on 22.3.02 1205.24
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Actually, if you think about it, the terms "Black Guy" and "Brother", while shorter, are a little silly too. Last time I checked, I'm more of a brown tone, and my best friend and fraternity brothers are the only men I'll ever call "brother". Kind of reminds me of that old riddle: What's the difference between a flower and a weed? (A flower is a weed everyone likes and a weed is a flower that no one wants around. There is no flower, there is no weed.) Ooookay, just got way too philosophical for a "Sports Entertainment" thread. Back to the show, sounds good. Just once, i wanna see Coachman look at The Rock and say, "Rock, this has gone on far enough! What's with all the player-hating?! Recognize the skills BITCH, you better give me my props!"
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