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#1 Posted on 14.6.04 1910.21
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Yes, the team that epitomizes 100 plus loss seasons and apathy is on the verge of not only escaping the American League East Cellar, but of getting into 3rd Place in the AL East. Ever since Pinella called out his team and threatened to get rid of all of them, they have played 8-9 games over .500. Considering Toronto has not played any games against the Yankees yet, and probably will have sold off the team before they play each other after the All-Star Break, Tampa could realistically not finish in last place this season. Couple that with Sidney 'If any of you can do better than a 6.60 ERA, come out of the stands and try' Ponson taking the ball every 5th day for the Orioles, the D'Rays could be in a race for 3rd place, impressive for a team that has never escaped the cellar.

(edited by redsoxnation on 14.6.04 2011)
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#2 Posted on 15.6.04 0653.02
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Don't even get me started about Ponson. He bitched and moan after Sunday's game that he wan't getting enough run support. I'd like to mention that this was his line:

6.2 IP, 13 H, 6 R, 6 ER, 3 BB, 3 K

The sad part about all of this is the fact that with the problems the Yankees and Red Sox potentially could have, the division is still up for grabs.
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#3 Posted on 15.6.04 0752.55
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    Originally posted by Grimis
    The sad part about all of this is the fact that with the problems the Yankees and Red Sox potentially could have, the division is still up for grabs.
I think its a stretch, to put it WAY too lightly (even with White and Heredia in the pen, Sturtze starting a game, Brown and Moose not being 100%, Lieber increasing beer sales at The Stadium, Contreras being what Contreras is), to say that the division is up for grabs. Boston, getting Nomar and Nixon back, with their troika of Shilling, Pedro, and Lowe, and Foulke in the pen (et al), are going to be at or near the top with NY. There is no way that Tampa, Baltimore, or Toronto can make it more than a two-team race.
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#4 Posted on 15.6.04 0825.44
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    Originally posted by jfkfc
      Originally posted by Grimis
      The sad part about all of this is the fact that with the problems the Yankees and Red Sox potentially could have, the division is still up for grabs.
    I think its a stretch, to put it WAY too lightly (even with White and Heredia in the pen, Sturtze starting a game, Brown and Moose not being 100%, Lieber increasing beer sales at The Stadium, Contreras being what Contreras is), to say that the division is up for grabs. Boston, getting Nomar and Nixon back, with their troika of Shilling, Pedro, and Lowe, and Foulke in the pen (et al), are going to be at or near the top with NY. There is no way that Tampa, Baltimore, or Toronto can make it more than a two-team race.





I know where Grimis was going: If Baltimore had not folded like a cheap accordian the past few weeks, they could have had a shot with the Yankees rotation having injury problems, while the Red Sox have Schilling facing an MRI Thursday, Lowe being hideous until the past week, a blackhole in the 5 slot, Wakefield being in one of his down periods, and Martinez being inconsistent until recently. In 3 weeks, they have gone from being within a few games of the loss column in the division into a death struggle to hold off Tampa.
A question though: Peter Angelos is a half-way decent attorney, right? So, how has he not found a way to get Ponson deported (can't say someone with a 6.60 ERA has a special skill) in order to get out of the last 2 and a half years of his contract?
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#5 Posted on 15.6.04 0836.38
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    Originally posted by redsoxnation
    A question though: Peter Angelos is a half-way decent attorney, right? So, how has he not found a way to get Ponson deported (can't say someone with a 6.60 ERA has a special skill) in order to get out of the last 2 and a half years of his contract?


He's pissing me off. Not only has he claimed DC, WTOP 1500AM last week said he claims everything within 80 (or was it 60? My father was distracting me) miles as his domain. I THINK they quoted him as saying he wanted the Expos in Richmond instead of DC, but my dad was talking and I missed the quote they were citing.

(edited by Zeruel on 15.6.04 0937)
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#6 Posted on 15.6.04 0838.21
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    Originally posted by redsoxnation
    So, how has he not found a way to get Ponson deported (can't say someone with a 6.60 ERA has a special skill) in order to get out of the last 2 and a half years of his contract?


    Originally posted by redsoxnation in signature
    What's the difference between Sidney Ponson and a bucket of shit? The bucket.


    Originally posted by redsoxnation in another thread
    Couple that with Sidney 'If any of you can do better than a 6.60 ERA, come out of the stands and try' Ponson taking the ball every 5th day for the Orioles.


    Originally posted by redsoxnation in another thread
    That's still better than Ponson laughing while imploding and giving up at least 7 by the 5th. Ponson is the poster child for having a hot stretch in a contract year helping hide career long mediocrity.


Did Sidney Ponson spit on you at some game or deny your autograph request? Just curious...

(edited by Reverend J Shaft on 15.6.04 0940)
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#7 Posted on 15.6.04 0923.29
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    Originally posted by Reverend J Shaft
      Originally posted by redsoxnation
      So, how has he not found a way to get Ponson deported (can't say someone with a 6.60 ERA has a special skill) in order to get out of the last 2 and a half years of his contract?


      Originally posted by redsoxnation in signature
      What's the difference between Sidney Ponson and a bucket of shit? The bucket.


      Originally posted by redsoxnation in another thread
      Couple that with Sidney 'If any of you can do better than a 6.60 ERA, come out of the stands and try' Ponson taking the ball every 5th day for the Orioles.


      Originally posted by redsoxnation in another thread
      That's still better than Ponson laughing while imploding and giving up at least 7 by the 5th. Ponson is the poster child for having a hot stretch in a contract year helping hide career long mediocrity.


    Did Sidney Ponson spit on you at some game or deny your autograph request? Just curious...

    (edited by Reverend J Shaft on 15.6.04 0940)




No, I've just always considered Ponson a pitcher who has good stuff but no guts. He's been hideous against good teams in his career, and has pitched 4 good months in six and a half years. Considering its not fun to laugh at Chan Ho Park anymore, Ponson is my new personal posterchild for overrated/overpaid/gutless pitchers.
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#8 Posted on 15.6.04 1100.44
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    Originally posted by redsoxnation
    No, I've just always considered Ponson a pitcher who has good stuff but no guts. He's been hideous against good teams in his career, and has pitched 4 good months in six and a half years. Considering its not fun to laugh at Chan Ho Park anymore, Ponson is my new personal posterchild for overrated/overpaid/gutless pitchers.
Hast thou forgotten Kenny Rodgers? This guy has made a CAREER out of decent regular season W/L percentages, and a perfect game. I STILL can't figure out how that perfect game happened....
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#9 Posted on 16.6.04 0243.26
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    Originally posted by jfkfc
      Originally posted by redsoxnation
      No, I've just always considered Ponson a pitcher who has good stuff but no guts. He's been hideous against good teams in his career, and has pitched 4 good months in six and a half years. Considering its not fun to laugh at Chan Ho Park anymore, Ponson is my new personal posterchild for overrated/overpaid/gutless pitchers.
    Hast thou forgotten Kenny Rodgers? This guy has made a CAREER out of decent regular season W/L percentages, and a perfect game. I STILL can't figure out how that perfect game happened....


They self same Kenny Rogers who has somehow gotten 9 wins this season. But he is better than Ponson, I was sort of upset that the Giants didn't keep him, but then... I got over it, fast.
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#10 Posted on 16.6.04 0733.02
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The D'Rays have a great young team and have 3 more players in their system (Gathright, Upton and Young)...that gives them someone at almost every position for the next 10 years...and I still think Brazelton is gonna develop into an above average pitcher
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#11 Posted on 16.6.04 1919.04
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    No, I've just always considered Ponson a pitcher who has good stuff but no guts. He's been hideous against good teams in his career, and has pitched 4 good months in six and a half years. Considering its not fun to laugh at Chan Ho Park anymore, Ponson is my new personal posterchild for overrated/overpaid/gutless pitchers.


Ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Darren Dreifort.

My beloved Blue Jays are just being killed with injuries. If they could just for the love of GOD get everyone healthy and on the same page at the same time, they could be in third place by a landslide. Their starting lineup for a game I attended last week was...

Frank Menechino
Chris Gomez
Reed Johnson
Vernon Wells
Gregg Zaun
Chris Woodward
Josh Phelps
Dave Berg
Alexis Rios

If there was ever a need to ask for a refund, this was the game (not surprisingly, they lost 6-1 to Los Angeles). And now Vernon Wells is hurt....fuck!
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#12 Posted on 18.6.04 0812.19
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    Originally posted by Big Bad
    Their starting lineup for a game I attended last week was...

    Frank Menechino
    Chris Gomez
    Reed Johnson
    Vernon Wells
    Gregg Zaun
    Chris Woodward
    Josh Phelps
    Dave Berg
    Alexis Rios

    If there was ever a need to ask for a refund, this was the game (not surprisingly, they lost 6-1 to Los Angeles). And now Vernon Wells is hurt....fuck!


Rios is arguably one of the best prospects in baseball..you have Chris Hill and like 3 other guys in the minors who are great

Can you tell me what the hell happened to Josh Phelps? Dear lord, he looks like he couldn't hit a beach ball this year

Be patient, Riccardi is one of the best young minds in baseball :)
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#13 Posted on 18.6.04 1132.13
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Saw part of last night's BlueJays game (6/17) and saw that Howie Clark played 1B and batted lead-off. Having your first baseman hit leadoff is pretty rare. Has Darin Erstad done it since his switch to first?
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#14 Posted on 19.6.04 0028.26
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Howie Clark is a mystery. Every time he gets called up, he hits around .400, and yet never gets a chance to play regularly.


    Rios is arguably one of the best prospects in baseball..you have Chris Hill and like 3 other guys in the minors who are great

    Can you tell me what the hell happened to Josh Phelps? Dear lord, he looks like he couldn't hit a beach ball this year

    Be patient, Riccardi is one of the best young minds in baseball :)


A stocked minor league and a dollar will buy you a Coke. I don't believe in all the hype over prospects until they actually prove something in the majors (case in point: Josh Phelps), and thus far, Rios has shown that he's the worst outfielder in MLB history. It seems like he averages about one misjudgement on a fly ball per game.

I'm not giving up on my Blue Jays, since I KNOW they're better than those clowns from Tampa and Baltimore. It just disappoints me that they couldn't take that next step after winning 86 games last year.
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#15 Posted on 19.6.04 0038.56
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    Originally posted by estragand
    Saw part of last night's BlueJays game (6/17) and saw that Howie Clark played 1B and batted lead-off. Having your first baseman hit leadoff is pretty rare. Has Darin Erstad done it since his switch to first?


Brad Wilkerson has done it while playing for the Expos this year, Adam Dunn has done it for the Reds within the last couple of seasons (not sure if he was playing the OF or 1B at the time though), Doug Mientkiewicz did it for at a game this year, Mark Grace pulled leadoff duty a couple of times for the Cubs, and Nick Johnson may have done it for the Yankees last year. I don't think Erstad has done it his year, Eckstein, Kennedy, Figgins, and probably DaVanon have hit leadoff more often than not for the Halos. Erstad, when healthy, usually hits out of the two hole.
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#16 Posted on 19.6.04 2233.28
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They will never be any good until they get that big time player.Pinalla cant do it all.
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