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redsoxnation
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#1 Posted on 31.5.04 0955.37
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Since its Memorial Day and the unofficial kick-off to the pennant races, time to run down the teams that are DONE prior to Memorial Day. This will be done using the assumption that 94 wins is the minimum necessary for the AL Wild Card, while 88 wins is the minimum for the NL Wild Card.

AL West

Seattle: They got old quick.

AL Central

Detroit: Much improved and better than anyone thought. However, even if only 87 wins would get the AL Central, that means the Tigers would have to double last year's win total + 1 to get to 87. Won't happen.

Kansas City: No pitching ='s no wins. I had them winning the division pre-season. Slightly off target on that one.

I'll leave Cleveland alive for now just due to lack of faith in the Twins and especially the White Sox. One bad stretch by the White Sox and Ordonez could get Reinsdorf'd to the Dodgers.

AL East

Tampa Bay: Played well for 3 weeks. Then, collapsed. They need to get switched to the NL East should the Expos move to Washington/Virginia, with the Expos being put in the AL East.

Toronto: If they were in the National League or the AL Central, I'd keep them alive. However, I can't see them doing much better than .500 even if they don't sell off the team in July. If only they had a bullpen.

Baltimore: Played well for a while, then they got steamrolled. When Ponson is your ace, you're in trouble. Give Baltimore Toronto's starters, or give Toronto Baltimore's bullpen, and you'd have strong team.

NL East

Montreal: Well, they have solid pitching for their next location. Have a lousy line-up though. Nick Johnson is a good hitter, but always hurt.

NY Mets: Gee, that was a quick collapse. Funny how it began when the man who knows the alphabet up to the letter C was on the mound.

NL Central

A few teams I don't expect to stick around, but still all alive now.

NL West

Rockies: Injuries + bad pitching ='s early DONE.

Arizona: Have Randy Johnson. Don't have much else.

(edited by redsoxnation on 31.5.04 1057)
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#2 Posted on 31.5.04 1925.36
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    Originally posted by redsoxnation
    should the Expos move to Washington/Virginia, with the Expos being put in the AL East.
That would kill the move. Washington in the NL is the only thing keeping this puppy alive.


    Baltimore: Played well for a while, then they got steamrolled. When Ponson is your ace, you're in trouble. Give Baltimore Toronto's starters, or give Toronto Baltimore's bullpen, and you'd have strong team.

    NL East
If we get swept by the Yankees this week, maybe. But we keep spanking the Red Sox(sorry) and play them 13 more times. Since neither the Yanks or the Sox have pulled away, we're only five out. The offense is still trying to find its groove, and the bullpen is being held together barely right now.

The Orioles are going to get on a roll when Riley comes back and RLopez goes back to the bullpen. Amazingly, a rotation of Ponson, Riley, DuBose, Bedard, and Cabrera is better than most teams have right now.
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#3 Posted on 31.5.04 2128.57
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Man, Grimis; damn you and your Orioles for beating up on us and absolutely rolling over for the Yankees. Is Steinbrenner sending hookers to Angelos' office? Is it even an "if" the O's get swept by the Yankees? I think Mazzilli is your Ramiro Mendoza: the embedded Yankee.

How 'bout that NL Central? If you think the Reds are for real (which is basically a question of how good they can pitch), then 4/6 teams are legitimate contenders.

I can't find anything to disagree with in your assessment, RSN, but half these teams are almost guaranteed dead in the postseason, should they make it that far. Texas has no pitching, as we all know; ditto Baltimore (and I would definitely NOT move Lopez to the pen). I think even the White Sox get trounced in the first round.
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#4 Posted on 31.5.04 2211.09
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    Originally posted by PalpatineW
    Man, Grimis; damn you and your Orioles for beating up on us and absolutely rolling over for the Yankees. Is Steinbrenner sending hookers to Angelos' office? Is it even an "if" the O's get swept by the Yankees? I think Mazzilli is your Ramiro Mendoza: the embedded Yankee.

    How 'bout that NL Central? If you think the Reds are for real (which is basically a question of how good they can pitch), then 4/6 teams are legitimate contenders.

    I can't find anything to disagree with in your assessment, RSN, but half these teams are almost guaranteed dead in the postseason, should they make it that far. Texas has no pitching, as we all know; ditto Baltimore (and I would definitely NOT move Lopez to the pen). I think even the White Sox get trounced in the first round.






I think its 43-11 in the last 54 at Camden for the Yankees, so I wouldn't blame it on Mazzilli. I think 5 out of 6 in the Central could be contenders, because I think the Brewers are one of those teams that are stupid (in a good way) enough to think they can win.
Since you mentioned Mendoza, after his start against Oakland, I was at the point where I'd rather see Kim than Lowe. After the Orioles fiasco, I'm at the point where I'd rather see Mendoza than (b)Lowe.
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#5 Posted on 1.6.04 0657.18
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    Originally posted by PalpatineW
    (and I would definitely NOT move Lopez to the pen)
Normally I would agree, but Lopez had a 0.36 ERA out of the pen, then fell apart in the 5th inning of his first two starts. The only start in which he hasn't done that was yesterday against the Sox.
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#6 Posted on 1.6.04 0701.56
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    Originally posted by Grimis
      Originally posted by PalpatineW
      (and I would definitely NOT move Lopez to the pen)
    Normally I would agree, but Lopez had a 0.36 ERA out of the pen, then fell apart in the 5th inning of his first two starts. The only start in which he hasn't done that was yesterday against the Sox.






That's still better than Ponson laughing while imploding and giving up at least 7 by the 5th. Ponson is the poster child for having a hot stretch in a contract year helping hide career long mediocrity.
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#7 Posted on 1.6.04 1016.17
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It is worth noting that if you declared a death knell at this point in the season LAST year, the Marlins would have been on that list.

I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just saying.
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#8 Posted on 2.6.04 2139.16
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    Originally posted by redsoxnation
    Ponson is the poster child for having a hot stretch in a contract year helping hide career long mediocrity.
Wasn't that Jeffery Hammonds?
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#9 Posted on 4.6.04 1308.41
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    Originally posted by jfkfc
      Originally posted by redsoxnation
      Ponson is the poster child for having a hot stretch in a contract year helping hide career long mediocrity.
    Wasn't that Jeffery Hammonds?


Hammonds was just released by the Giants, for those keeping score at home.
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#10 Posted on 4.6.04 1316.29
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    Originally posted by redsoxnation

    NY Mets: Gee, that was a quick collapse. Funny how it began when the man who knows the alphabet up to the letter C was on the mound.
    (edited by redsoxnation on 31.5.04 1057)


It's a little over a week later and the Mets have won 4 in a row and are now 1 game over .500 - the pathetic state of the NL Least should keep them in the hunt all season
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#11 Posted on 4.6.04 1350.29
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    Originally posted by PalpatineW
      Originally posted by jfkfc
        Originally posted by redsoxnation
        Ponson is the poster child for having a hot stretch in a contract year helping hide career long mediocrity.
      Wasn't that Jeffery Hammonds?


    Hammonds was just released by the Giants, for those keeping score at home.


He's getting dangerously close to being his generation's Roberto Kelly.
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#12 Posted on 4.6.04 1436.41
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    Originally posted by dunkndollaz
      Originally posted by redsoxnation

      NY Mets: Gee, that was a quick collapse. Funny how it began when the man who knows the alphabet up to the letter C was on the mound.
      (edited by redsoxnation on 31.5.04 1057)


    It's a little over a week later and the Mets have won 4 in a row and are now 1 game over .500 - the pathetic state of the NL Least should keep them in the hunt all season


Not to mention they swept the division leader and favorite, and started off well in a series against the now first place team. As much as everyone wants the Mets to suck for some reason, they've got a good team and they'll compete for the East and possibly the Wild Card depending on the Cub's injuries.

Besides, in the Central there are teams that have a worse shot of winning the Central (Milwaukee and Pittsburgh) but you left them off the list because they are "still alive now". Well the Mets are "still alive now", only 2 and a half games back, so even if they aren't going to to win they shouldn't be on the list. Sounds like someone doesn't like the Mets very much.
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#13 Posted on 4.6.04 2048.55
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    Originally posted by Blanket Jackson
      Originally posted by PalpatineW
        Originally posted by jfkfc
          Originally posted by redsoxnation
          Ponson is the poster child for having a hot stretch in a contract year helping hide career long mediocrity.
        Wasn't that Jeffery Hammonds?


      Hammonds was just released by the Giants, for those keeping score at home.


    He's getting dangerously close to being his generation's Roberto Kelly.






So does that mean the Red Sox will come from 11 1/2 back to within 1/2 while the team they are chasing are out in Oakland, only to have Jeff Reardon give up an 0-2 home run to him with 2 outs in the ninth in a 1 run game, followed by Matt Young coming out of the bullpen and walking everyone in sight?
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#14 Posted on 5.6.04 2044.08
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    Originally posted by Blanket Jackson
    He's getting dangerously close to being his generation's Roberto Kelly.
And I still feel like a total ass clown for getting pissed off when I first heard it from my next door neighbor....


(1992) "Paul who??? Who the FUCK is Paul O'Neil? For Roberto?? You gotta be KIDDING ME!!!"
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#15 Posted on 5.6.04 2350.19
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    Originally posted by jfkfc
      Originally posted by Blanket Jackson
      He's getting dangerously close to being his generation's Roberto Kelly.
    And I still feel like a total ass clown for getting pissed off when I first heard it from my next door neighbor....


    (1992) "Paul who??? Who the FUCK is Paul O'Neil? For Roberto?? You gotta be KIDDING ME!!!"


You know, even as a die-hard Reds fan, I HATED Paul O'Neill when he was with Cincinnati. And still do, as a matter of fact. But I knew that was a bad trade. :(
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