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| #21 Posted on 18.5.04 1705.49 Reposted on: 18.5.11 1706.12 | > As mentioned in another thread, Benoit seems > to be more Steamboat than Garvin to HHH's Flair.
Someone needs to put down the ether. Steamboat was Flair's defining rival, not simply the better worker of the two guys Flair feuded with in 1989.
Benoit as Trip's defining rival? Nope. Trip had to have Shawn in their matches to make them "good." When has Trip had a series of classic or important singles matches against Benoit?
On the other hand, Trip has had a long running feud with Michaels that included several major singles matches. Shawn is Trip Flair's Steamboat, though neither is up to their role in that comparison.
> I can't figure out an easy comparison to Orton, > but he's much better than Lex Luger was... > wrestling-wise at least.
At the moment Orton is still very much at the Nikita and Luger level except that both of them showcased more offense than he usually does. Orton needs to be protected. There is no shame in that given his youth and inexperience, though it begs the question on the timing of his push.
Orton is supposed to be Tully, but he can't survive that comparison for a second. Give him five more years and maybe he will be that good in the ring.
At the moment, Batista seems to be making more progress and looks like the smarter worker which is mind boggling. Orton also has a history of problems with injuries and concussions that does not bode well for his long term prospects.
Frank
(Go back and list the moves Orton used last night.) | redsoxnation
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| #22 Posted on 18.5.04 1750.52 Reposted on: 18.5.11 1751.25 | Originally posted by Freeway420 I can't figure out an easy comparison to Orton, but he's much better than Lex Luger was...wrestling-wise at least. Promos...he'll get better.
Luger in the late 80's could be carried by multiple wrestlers (Flair, Steamboat, Windham) to great matches. Orton has one street fight with Foley on his resume. Randy's still a long way from reaching Luger. Orton might be closer to Scott Hall in the AWA.
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| #23 Posted on 18.5.04 1808.15 Reposted on: 18.5.11 1808.43 | I'm holding out hope that a stronger comparison would be Benoit is more Superstar Billy Graham (obviously ignoring Benoit is not a heel) in that he was intended to be a transitional champion but managed to get over so well that he gets a legit chance to run with it. | LionJeetSingh
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| #24 Posted on 19.5.04 0045.35 Reposted on: 19.5.11 0045.37 | Jesus Christ Flea, the lengths you go through in order to defend Trip is insane. I enjoyed your columns a lot on 411 and 1ryderfakin but lately you seem to have taken a gimmick of being a WWE-apoligist/anti-popular smark opinion and fail to cite any little screw up by the company whatsoever.
I'm not like most of the online smark crowd and don't believe that Hunter is the devil everyone makes him out to be, but there are clearly some instances in which he's guilty.
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| #25 Posted on 19.5.04 0714.11 Reposted on: 19.5.11 0715.16 | Originally posted by Boston Idol > As mentioned in another thread, Benoit seems > to be more Steamboat than Garvin to HHH's Flair.
Someone needs to put down the ether. Steamboat was Flair's defining rival, not simply the better worker of the two guys Flair feuded with in 1989.
Benoit as Trip's defining rival? Nope. Trip had to have Shawn in their matches to make them "good." When has Trip had a series of classic or important singles matches against Benoit?
On the other hand, Trip has had a long running feud with Michaels that included several major singles matches. Shawn is Trip Flair's Steamboat, though neither is up to their role in that comparison.
> I can't figure out an easy comparison to Orton, > but he's much better than Lex Luger was... > wrestling-wise at least.
At the moment Orton is still very much at the Nikita and Luger level except that both of them showcased more offense than he usually does. Orton needs to be protected. There is no shame in that given his youth and inexperience, though it begs the question on the timing of his push.
Orton is supposed to be Tully, but he can't survive that comparison for a second. Give him five more years and maybe he will be that good in the ring.
At the moment, Batista seems to be making more progress and looks like the smarter worker which is mind boggling. Orton also has a history of problems with injuries and concussions that does not bode well for his long term prospects.
Frank
(Go back and list the moves Orton used last night.)
Orton is more of a Greg Gagne. No...maybe a David Sammartino.
And why again does Triple H deserve credit for showing basic competence in his craft? I mean, hell, isn't competence a little less than we should expect from someone in his position. When someone is sub-par for a long time, and then is suddenly par, they should not be commended; only tolerated.
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| #26 Posted on 19.5.04 0815.27 Reposted on: 19.5.11 0818.38 | Jesus Christ Flea, the lengths you go through in order to defend Trip is insane. I enjoyed your columns a lot on 411 and 1ryderfakin but lately you seem to have taken a gimmick of being a WWE-apoligist/anti-popular smark opinion and fail to cite any little screw up by the company whatsoever.
I'm not like most of the online smark crowd and don't believe that Hunter is the devil everyone makes him out to be, but there are clearly some instances in which he's guilty.
Yeah, I know - and I'll tap...or j.o.b., seeing as HHH has no submission holds. But thank you. I just like to revisit the HHH has ruined / is ruining everything theory once a year, just to see how convoluted it's become. As blatantly ridiculous as some of the things are that I say to go out of my way to make a counter-point, you have to look at it like this: the ego based sabatoge by HHH of an entire promotion (and seeing as WWE is practically the ONLY promotion at the moment, basically the sabotage of an entire industry), the sabotage of every money making program and every possible money drawing wrestler, the sabotage of a publicy traded company, and the theory that everything is done to "ruin" two "brands" *has* to be just as "out there" - especially when you are portrayed as STUPID for not going along with it. Of course, I'm not crazy enough to think that HHH doesn't wield a ton of power, especially given the position that he has put himself in, but the collapse of buyrates and the downturn in buisness being laid at his feet over the past few years has many more guilty parties than him. I think everyone will admit that - but scapegoats are needed and he is the most obvious offender.
And besides - if HHH * did * go out of his way to sabotage Goldberg, he did everyone a favor.
a gimmick of being a WWE-apoligist/anti-popular smark opinion and fail to cite any little screw up by the company whatsoever.
That's not a gimmick - gimmicks are IWC 100 Lists and Wrestling Dead Pools. I simply look at things from a different point of view - I happen to think that regardless of the inner-workings / glass ceilings and "facts" of power abuse, not much would have changed from the Invasion - present. Vince McMahon's hard on for "his vision" trumps all - and that meant anyone NOT "WWF(E)" would have not gotten a fair shake, whether HHH was there or not. And maybe Vince was right - Steiner flopped, Booker T, in the middle of a big time push, crowed to anyone who would listen that he "was done in two years", Hall, Nash and Hogan burnt him (again), Goldberg was a total waste and has hopefully burnt his final bridge and Zack Gowen, of all people (who they could have made a FORTUNE of off), turned into a prima donna after they rushed the angle. At least with HHH and UT, Vince had undying loyalty, and if they used that to loyalty to cement their legacies / stay on top, so be it - that's the nature of the business. I'll check back this time next year to see if anything has changed. Probably not - but the business will still be rocking and rolling...that's what I like. That and HBK / HHH in THE CELL. And Bradshaw / Eddie - but that's best left for another day...
By the way - DAMN YOU ALL for no-selling the "crowd needs to say EHHHHHHHHHHHHHAY" when Benoit chops the dog shit out of everyone. I * knew * I should have sent that one to Netcop :-) Or the Lounge.
FLEA
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| #27 Posted on 19.5.04 0823.12 Reposted on: 19.5.11 0824.02 | Originally posted by RYDER FAKIN By the way - DAMN YOU ALL for no-selling the "crowd needs to say EHHHHHHHHHHHHHAY" when Benoit chops the dog shit out of everyone. I * knew * I should have sent that one to Netcop :-) Or the Lounge.
FLEA
Only if it's put in the form of a question...otherwise it would just sound like the fans were paying tribute to Arthur Fonzerelli.
And even THEN it would just sound like they were paying tribute to the legendary Bear Hugger, and if John Tenta didn't no-sell blows to the stomach that way I don't see anyone else doing it either.
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| #28 Posted on 20.5.04 0020.36 Reposted on: 20.5.11 0021.18 | I loved the Analogies.
The "Bionic Chokeslam" is still making me laugh...
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