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JustinShapiro
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#1 Posted on 17.5.04 0240.43
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04-05 schedule leak type dealy

good news for fans of "Tru Calling" and "Arrested Development" as both series have begun staffing for the 2004-05 season, a sure sign renewals are around the corner for each.

IF YA SMELLALALALALALALALALALALALALALOW

WHAT THE ROCK

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#2 Posted on 17.5.04 0250.23
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Notables (for me, at least):
-NBC's new Must-See Thursday is Joey, Will & Grace, the Apprentice & ER?? Talk about putting all your eggs in one basket. I would've put Scrubs in one of the Apprentice half-hours and put a new comedy in the other spot.
-Glad to see Everwood, One Tree Hill & Smallville continuing on the WB.
-Another Jason Alexander sitcom? Dear God...
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#3 Posted on 17.5.04 0329.30
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    Originally posted by Freeway420
    Another Jason Alexander sitcom? Dear God...


This is the one (loosely) based off of Tony Kornheiser's Lifestyle columns? That one should be worth at least a cursory look.
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#4 Posted on 17.5.04 0636.04
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Why would they put a new series(even if it is a Friends spin-off) at the 8PM Thursday slot?

Does the world need a fourht "Law and Order"?

The WB as usual is unable to justify its existance.

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#5 Posted on 17.5.04 0823.25
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    Originally posted by Grimis
    Why would they put a new series(even if it is a Friends spin-off) at the 8PM Thursday slot?

    Does the world need a fourht "Law and Order"?

    The WB as usual is unable to justify its existance.




Law and Order: What Haven't We Covered Yet??
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#6 Posted on 17.5.04 0834.36
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    Originally posted by Packman V2
      Originally posted by Grimis
      Why would they put a new series(even if it is a Friends spin-off) at the 8PM Thursday slot?

      Does the world need a fourht "Law and Order"?

      The WB as usual is unable to justify its existance.




    Law and Order: What Haven't We Covered Yet??


Law and Order: Trial by Jury.

I guess it's about the jury process, and will be a star vehicle for Jerry Orbach, who's leaving regular L&O to go to the new one. I guess Briscoe is going to be an investigator for the DA's office.

I'm one of those people that tv critics hate, because I could watch all the Law and Orders over and over again on a regular basis with very few complaints.
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#7 Posted on 17.5.04 1317.08
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    Originally posted by Grimis
    Why would they put a new series(even if it is a Friends spin-off) at the 8PM Thursday slot?

    Does the world need a fourht "Law and Order"?

    The WB as usual is unable to justify its existance.




The WB does that Tuesday night at 8/7 central, thank you.

NBC loads Thursday because it's the the highest-viewed weeknight (although Monday has been infringing on that as of late) and film distributors buy ads heavy that night to promote the movies that open TOMORROW! Joey makes the most sense to replace Friends since, well, it's replacing it: where else do you put the spinoff? Will and Grace isn't strong enough to lead, and, well, there's all your contenders; it's not like NBC has anything else sitting around to fill in. It's hardly "new" in the sense that The Single Guy or Union Square or Jesse were since we know the character and they've got ADRIANA~! on board to make us wish that Matt LeBlanc was really Michael Imperioli. People used to hearing "How you doin?" can tune in same Joey time, same Joey channel, suffer through W&G before getting to the Trump, then wonder what WB has on NBC to keep ER on the air while they look for a channel with Daphne Moon Crane's brother on it.

Father of the Pride, meanwhile, sounds like it has disaster written all over it. I'm talking "Saved By The Bell: The New Class" level disaster. Same time slot, even.
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#8 Posted on 17.5.04 1351.58
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    Originally posted by Grimis
    The WB as usual is unable to justify its existance.


Friday, 8:30 -- Commando Nanny.

WTF?
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#9 Posted on 17.5.04 1357.51
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    Originally posted by PeterStork
    then wonder what WB has on NBC to keep ER on the air


    Originally posted by Zap2it.com
    2003-2004 Overall Season Ratings

    6 E.R. NBC Thu 9:59PM 12.8/21.0


I think this is likely what they have on NBC.
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#10 Posted on 17.5.04 1430.11
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    Originally posted by spf2119
      Originally posted by PeterStork
      then wonder what WB has on NBC to keep ER on the air


      Originally posted by Zap2it.com
      2003-2004 Overall Season Ratings

      6 E.R. NBC Thu 9:59PM 12.8/21.0


    I think this is likely what they have on NBC.



Math is fun!

NBC's license fee to WB: $8 million per episode.
NBC's fee per 30-sec spot on ER: $400 thousand
Being generous, let's give NBC ten of the fifteen minutes worth of spots...but subtract two of those for promos. That's eight minutes of network spots. NBC's take per episode of ER: $6.4 million.

Losing money.

The math, of course, is approximate, but close enough to make the point. Rating mean NOTHING if they do not translate to profit.

Promotional value for other programs? Yes. Recouping most of those losses during repeats? Yeah, though the repeats are rather lowly rated in comparison to first-runs. With little PR value (ER is no longer widely critically acclaimed, nor is it water cooler material like it was in the Clooney days) and no solid revenue stream, what's the point of keeping it on after next season? Try something new. No one really thought Without a Trace would score the ratings it did opposite ER, but it worked, and next year the ad rates will skyrocket...while the license fee won't.

And that eight mil per ep NBC pays? As we all know, that'a a bargain since back in 1998 it was raised to THIRTEEN million per episode. WB has actually given the Peacock a discount in the past three years.

All the numbers, by the way, are via our friends at the Futon Critic.
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#11 Posted on 17.5.04 1836.16
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This thread need to be hijacked in the "OHMYFUCKINGGODARRESTEDDEVELOPMENTLIVES!!!" direction now. Thank you.

(edited by TheMASKEDComputerGeek on 17.5.04 1637)
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#12 Posted on 17.5.04 1846.04
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No, thank *you*!


Where is the guy with the GOB avatar! Where is the guy with Girls With Low Self-Esteem! Baby let's get a stew going.
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#13 Posted on 17.5.04 1852.35
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    Originally posted by JMShapiro
    Where is the guy with the GOB avatar!

Anyong!

(Subtitle reads "Hello".)

I'll be celebrating with a frozen banana from the Big Yellow Joint.
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#14 Posted on 17.5.04 1855.48
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I really liked "Run of the House." In fact the Friday night WB lineup was perfect the last few weeks. I'll be bummed if "8 Simple Rules" moves to Friday unless it's at that 8:30 slot (Commando Nanny, WTF?)
"Like Family" was OK but once it went off Fridays I pretty much quit watching.
"Scrubs" rules the sitcom world and a little earlier on tuesdays isn't bad as it's a very weak night with Scrubs and 8 being the only Tuesday shows I watch on a consistent basis. I didn't even get into 8 until Buffy went off the air, but it's a great show.
I actually wish "That '70's Show" would go back to Tuesdays as I always end up missing 1/2 of "Enterprise."
Good to see "Charmed" back but they're running out of good ideas, I would like to see it go out on top, not rushed off the air like "Angel" or "Buffy" or left to linger a slow death like "The X Files".
Mondays and Thursdays are reserved of course for wrestling, although more and more I find myself channel surfing and watching the tapes in FFWD on Saturday mornings.
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#15 Posted on 17.5.04 1918.59
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    Originally posted by JMShapiro
    No, thank *you*!


    Where is the guy with the GOB avatar! Where is the guy with Girls With Low Self-Esteem! Baby let's get a stew going.


*blasts "The Final Countdown"*

sorry, haven't been on much today. Thanks for being the bearer of good news. At least i've got something to look forward to next season!

I've still got half of the first season and the last episode of AD to watch this year. Hopefully they go through with the idea of releasing the first season on DVD this summer.
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#16 Posted on 17.5.04 2225.34
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    Originally posted by Whitebacon
      Originally posted by Freeway420
      Another Jason Alexander sitcom? Dear God...


    This is the one (loosely) based off of Tony Kornheiser's Lifestyle columns? That one should be worth at least a cursory look.


If he's not George Costanza, then I'm probably not gonna be interested.
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#17 Posted on 17.5.04 2227.18
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What's with all the ER hating. That show is 10 times better now, then it has ever been....

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#18 Posted on 17.5.04 2249.48
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    Originally posted by PeterStork
      Originally posted by spf2119
        Originally posted by PeterStork
        then wonder what WB has on NBC to keep ER on the air


        Originally posted by Zap2it.com
        2003-2004 Overall Season Ratings

        6 E.R. NBC Thu 9:59PM 12.8/21.0


      I think this is likely what they have on NBC.



    Math is fun!

    NBC's license fee to WB: $8 million per episode.
    NBC's fee per 30-sec spot on ER: $400 thousand
    Being generous, let's give NBC ten of the fifteen minutes worth of spots...but subtract two of those for promos. That's eight minutes of network spots. NBC's take per episode of ER: $6.4 million.

    Losing money.

    The math, of course, is approximate, but close enough to make the point. Rating mean NOTHING if they do not translate to profit.

    Promotional value for other programs? Yes. Recouping most of those losses during repeats? Yeah, though the repeats are rather lowly rated in comparison to first-runs. With little PR value (ER is no longer widely critically acclaimed, nor is it water cooler material like it was in the Clooney days) and no solid revenue stream, what's the point of keeping it on after next season? Try something new. No one really thought Without a Trace would score the ratings it did opposite ER, but it worked, and next year the ad rates will skyrocket...while the license fee won't.

    And that eight mil per ep NBC pays? As we all know, that'a a bargain since back in 1998 it was raised to THIRTEEN million per episode. WB has actually given the Peacock a discount in the past three years.

    All the numbers, by the way, are via our friends at the Futon Critic.

The anchor value of the show I'm sure is the justification for the gap. Without ER in that position on Thursday night, what happens to not just that time slot, but the 930-1000 EST time slot? And what happens to the newscasts on NBC owned affiliates and their ratings? By serving as the anchor point for the Thursday night lineup's later half, it impacts at least 3 separate timeslots, and the revenues affiliated with those positions.
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#19 Posted on 18.5.04 0042.29
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    Originally posted by spf2119
      Originally posted by PeterStork
        Originally posted by spf2119
          Originally posted by PeterStork
          then wonder what WB has on NBC to keep ER on the air


          Originally posted by Zap2it.com
          2003-2004 Overall Season Ratings

          6 E.R. NBC Thu 9:59PM 12.8/21.0


        I think this is likely what they have on NBC.



      Math is fun!

      NBC's license fee to WB: $8 million per episode.
      NBC's fee per 30-sec spot on ER: $400 thousand
      Being generous, let's give NBC ten of the fifteen minutes worth of spots...but subtract two of those for promos. That's eight minutes of network spots. NBC's take per episode of ER: $6.4 million.

      Losing money.

      The math, of course, is approximate, but close enough to make the point. Rating mean NOTHING if they do not translate to profit.

      Promotional value for other programs? Yes. Recouping most of those losses during repeats? Yeah, though the repeats are rather lowly rated in comparison to first-runs. With little PR value (ER is no longer widely critically acclaimed, nor is it water cooler material like it was in the Clooney days) and no solid revenue stream, what's the point of keeping it on after next season? Try something new. No one really thought Without a Trace would score the ratings it did opposite ER, but it worked, and next year the ad rates will skyrocket...while the license fee won't.

      And that eight mil per ep NBC pays? As we all know, that'a a bargain since back in 1998 it was raised to THIRTEEN million per episode. WB has actually given the Peacock a discount in the past three years.

      All the numbers, by the way, are via our friends at the Futon Critic.

    The anchor value of the show I'm sure is the justification for the gap. Without ER in that position on Thursday night, what happens to not just that time slot, but the 930-1000 EST time slot? And what happens to the newscasts on NBC owned affiliates and their ratings? By serving as the anchor point for the Thursday night lineup's later half, it impacts at least 3 separate timeslots, and the revenues affiliated with those positions.


Of course the impact on local news is important, and again the PR value of having such a legendary show still means something, but as far as it impacting the hour before it...well, I'd say these days The Apprentice helps ER more than vice versa.
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