#22 Posted on 26.4.04 1400.51 Reposted on: 26.4.11 1403.39
Originally posted by ManiacPoliticians are the Representatives of the people not GOD.
Pro-choice is giving individuals the legal option to do it.
Pro-life & Anti-abortion is not wanting people to get abortions and to take the pregnancy to term no matter what the circumstances.
If you can't see the separation of church and state with this thread, when the the church threatens to deny communion to Politicians. Your not looking hard enough.
No holy Communion? Even if you are anti-abortion and pro-choice at the same time? More people are like that, but agree with whom ever they are talking to.
Off with there heads the heretics.
I guess I am not looking hard enough.
1. Look up the definition of heretic, it really doesn't fit. 2. Elected officials, not politicians, are the representatives of their constituents. They are elected to make the correct decision, even if their voters are opposed. 3. As in many things there are shades, I know pro-lifers willing to make exceptions for rape, incest, and mother's health. 4. The Vatican didn't say deny them now under any circumstances, but look at it. 5. Elected officials are often able to put aside their faith and separate it from thier job. 6. Aside from some executive orders, I don't think the Presidents views alone change policy. 7. Hell, even as a Liberal Democrat, I understand that the separation clause doesn't mean what it is often interpreted to mean.
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#23 Posted on 26.4.04 1503.43 Reposted on: 26.4.11 1505.08
But I'm not comfortable with the notion of the Pope -- or any other religious body or authority -- directing US domestic, foreign, social or military policy in any way. Anyone who isn't Catholic shouldn't give a rat's ass about what a guy in a funny pointed hat thinks about the issues of the day.
The thing is that Kerry is a Catholic so he should give a rat's ass about what the guy in the funny pointed hat thinks about the issues of the day, especially when they involve moral issues.
And, to respond to Maniac's post:
The First Amendment says: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..." The phrase Ďseparation of church and stateí came from a letter written by Thomas Jefferson in 1802 when he was reassuring a Baptist church that he would not establish a national religion or dictate how anyone should worship God. Now, given this information, how is the Catholic Church exhorting Kerry to follow its moral teachings (teachings which he, as a Catholic, has sworn to uphold) a violation of this separation? Just because a religious leader gives advice to a politician (or reminds them of the relevant moral code) does not mean that church and state have become mixed.
The other thing is that by silencing religious leadersí ability to speak about the issues of the day or limiting their access to politicians, arenít we violating their right to freedom of speech? I think that Kerry, Daschle and many other Catholic pols have been aware of the Catholic stance on abortion for a long time and it hasnít influenced their vote yet. I donít see how that will change in the future, rebuke or no.
We all have the right to say anything and are entitled to our own opinion. This is the 21st century and I believe our leader should put religion in it's rightful place. In their place of worship and there spirit. Keeping the health and welfare of all citizens the true cause of the Office they hold.
silencing religious leaders - is note my point. I was trying to say. "I'm pro-choice and against unnecessary abortion" but who am I tell every American how to live there lives. It's not my job man. Freedom is what I want and that means choices.
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