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#1 Posted on 22.4.04 1002.14
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It's the part in bold that makes you wonder....

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Many casualties in NK train crash
(CNN) -- Two trains have collided and exploded in North Korea near the Chinese border, according to South Korean media.

A South Korean television report, quoting a witness, said there were many casualties.

The Yonhap news agency, quoting unidentified sources in the Chinese city of Dandong, said the trains were carrying oil and/or liquefied petroleum gas.

The incident happened about 1 p.m. local time in the city of Ryongchon, about 20 kilometers (12 miles) from the Chinese border, Yonhap said.

"The area around Ryongchon station has turned into ruins as if it were bombarded," Yonhap quoted witnesses as saying, according to The Associated Press.

"Debris from the explosion soared high into the sky and drifted to Sinuju," a North Korean town on the border with China, AP quoted the agency as saying.

Yonhap said North Korean leader Kim Jong Il passed through the station nine hours earlier, returning to Pyongyang from China.

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Hmmm.....
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#2 Posted on 22.4.04 1356.39
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    Originally posted by Grimis
    It's the part in bold that makes you wonder....
...what else I should be doing with my free time...
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#3 Posted on 22.4.04 1411.14
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Time for speculation to run rampant. And it's times like this that I think that Al Qaeda or other Muslim extremists aren't exactly fans of North Koreans (or anyone else, for that matter), so I wouldn't rule this out as another terrorist attack.

The fact that Kim Jong Il was in the neighborhood was likely just a coincidence.
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#4 Posted on 22.4.04 1417.29
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Either that or Jong was looking to find the one person who came out of that train explosion unharmed, as a way to find the exact polar opposite to his unique, brittling (nay, GLASS-like) condition.

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#5 Posted on 22.4.04 1510.02
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Al Qaeda wouldn't be anywhere close to the top of the list if this was an intentional incident. Doubtful they could get opeatives in the country, and why potentially piss away the one country that could be an ally against the west. The 5 most likely if this was a planned assassination attempt:

1. South Korea: They've been at war for almost 55 years, this would be a method of cutting off the head of the enemy.

2. Kim Jong ll: What better way to start a new round of oppression than to claim an assassination attempt. Also could be used by him as justification for launching a nuke.

3. China: They have to be sick of this guy and his family by now. Personally, I'd cut a deal with the Chinese to give them N. Korea in exchange for them respecting the 38th parallel. Chinese rule is harsh, but it would seem like a day at Disney compared to Kim Jong and co. Plus, at least you don't worry about the Chinese throwing a nutty and launching nukes out of boredom.

4. United States: Pre-emptive move to eliminate a nutcase. Highly doubtful, as its difficult to get operatives inside North Korea.

5. North Korean Resistance: Would be higher, but its doubtful any group can form in that country without everyone and their families getting slaughtered before they could come up with an idea.
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#6 Posted on 22.4.04 1601.22
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Or, perhaps two trains collided and it was a tragedy?
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#7 Posted on 22.4.04 1637.00
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    Originally posted by Guru Zim
    Or, perhaps two trains collided and it was a tragedy?


Thank you Guru! When tragedies happen and you knee-jerk terrorist cabal right away, they are winning.
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#8 Posted on 22.4.04 1724.58
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    Originally posted by Guru Zim
    Or, perhaps two trains collided and it was a tragedy?







Guru, I did say if it was an intentional incident these are the most likely people to be behind it. When any news comes out of North Korea and they declare a state of emergency, you have to think that some shenanigans occurred.
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#9 Posted on 22.4.04 1913.48
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    Originally posted by Guru Zim
    Or, perhaps two trains collided and it was a tragedy?


How often do explosions occur, killing thousands when trains collide?


    Al Qaeda wouldn't be anywhere close to the top of the list if this was an intentional incident. Doubtful they could get opeatives in the country, and why potentially piss away the one country that could be an ally against the west.


Al-Queda still is bent on creating a theocracy. While they may find that they share the same enemy as North Korea (us, among others), that does not mean they would work together with them. The enemy of my enemy is not always my friend, despite what U.S. foreign policy will tell you.

Furthermore, Al-Queda is (was?) very active in Western China, which really isn't that far away from North Korea. They probably wouldn't have that hard of a time getting there, if they really wanted to. Why they would really want to isn't clear, but it would be possible.

(edited by eviljonhunt81 on 22.4.04 1915)
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#10 Posted on 22.4.04 2025.42
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Western China is in fact, pretty far from North Korea.
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#11 Posted on 22.4.04 2033.45
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    Originally posted by eviljonhunt81
    Furthermore, Al-Queda is (was?) very active in Western China, which really isn't that far away from North Korea. They probably wouldn't have that hard of a time getting there, if they really wanted to. Why they would really want to isn't clear, but it would be possible.
I'm not certain if Al Qeida operated in China, but there is definately an Islamic seperatist movement in East Turkestan by the Muslim Uighurs(sp?). But those Chinese Muslims are well seperated from North Korea and the rest of the Chinese population.

(edited by Grimis on 22.4.04 2133)
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#12 Posted on 22.4.04 2211.07
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    Originally posted by Guru Zim
    Or, perhaps two trains collided and it was a tragedy?


You spoil all the conspiricy theorist's fun! Partypooper!
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#13 Posted on 23.4.04 0041.59
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    Originally posted by Guru Zim
    Or, perhaps two trains collided and it was a tragedy?
So....back in #2, I was too subtle, then?
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#14 Posted on 23.4.04 0042.58
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    Originally posted by CRZ
      Originally posted by Guru Zim
      Or, perhaps two trains collided and it was a tragedy?
    So....back in #2, I was too subtle, then?


Yep.
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#15 Posted on 23.4.04 1022.16
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The real shocker is that North Korea is going to accept international aid:

N. Korea Rail Blast Killed 54 People, Injured 1,249
April 23 (Bloomberg) -- Yesterday's explosion of fuel-laden trains in North Korea killed at least 54 people and injured 1,249, according to preliminary figures by the International Federation of Red Cross and Red Crescent Societies.

North Korea today accepted offers of help from the United Nations and the Red Cross in dealing with the disaster, the UN's World Food Program said. The UN will lead a team tomorrow on an assessment mission to the disaster site in the town of Ryongchon, near the Chinese border, WFP spokeswoman Rene McGuffin said by telephone from the agency's Rome headquarters.

``When we have that assessment report, we can better assess the needs and react,'' said McGuffin, whose agency has an office in North Korea from which it directs aid projects to help the impoverished communist nation. The acceptance follows a series of meetings today in the capital, Pyongyang, between North Korean officials and the UN's humanitarian coordinator in the country, Masood Hyder, she said.

The two trains carrying fuel collided and exploded at Ryongchon's station, a manufacturing and transport hub with a population of 130,000 about 15 kilometers (9.3 miles) south of the Chinese border city of Dandong. The blast destroyed 1,850 homes and damaged 6,350 others, the Red Cross said.

Initial reports from South Korea's Yonhap News agency estimated the casualty toll at 3,000, raising fears that the rail disaster would be among the worst in history. A train explosion in February in Iran killed at least 300 people.

Toll May Rise

North Korea expects the death toll to rise, according to Niels Juel, Red Cross regional disaster management coordinator in Beijing.

``The International Red Cross is preparing hospital facilities in the area,'' Jules said. ``We will release supplies from a warehouse nearby that has quilts, tents and water- purification tablets.''

North Korea's government today acknowledged the disaster occurred, Sky News cited the Russian Itar-Tass news agency as saying. The secretive regime of Kim Jong Il appeared at first to have cut international phone lines in an effort to prevent news of the explosion from getting out, Reuters said yesterday.

The meetings leading to the acceptance of aid indicated ``good communication'' with North Korean officials, McGuffin said.

Kim's Train

The accident occurred nine hours after a train carrying Kim home from talks with Chinese leaders in Beijing passed through Ryongchon, Yonhap said. He prefers to travel by rail, in an armor- plated train given to his father by Josef Stalin. Kim has a fear of flying, which may have resulted from a 1976 helicopter crash that seriously injured him, according to press reports.

The explosion occurred when a fuel-laden train was changing tracks, the South Korean government said. The accident highlights decaying infrastructure in the isolationist North.

``North Korea's train system probably got all screwed up after it resumed services following Kim Jong Il's passage,'' said Koh Yu Hwan, a professor of North Korean studies at Seoul's Dongguk University. ``Its rail system is obsolete.''

Rail accidents are common in the North on lines poorly maintained since the Japanese built them during the 1910-45 occupation of Korea, according to Yonhap.

The rail system accounts for about 90 percent of freight transport in North Korea. The railway uses decades-old trains running on rusting tracks that would fail safety standards in most other countries, AFP said, citing defectors.

Rail

North Korea, which has suffered from famine, starvation and economic mismanagement the past 10 years, had ``massive railway accidents'' in 1997 and 2000, Yonhap said, without giving details. Overworked employees, some living on starvation rations, operate the rail system with manual levers to change tracks, creating the potential for disasters, AFP said.

The trains are subject to frequent delays caused by power outages that have hurt much of the economy, according to travelers who have visited North Korea. Passenger trains are always packed, some people hanging from doors and windows and other perched precariously on carriage roofs, AFP said.

Trains in North Korea typically have nine cars for passengers, one for cargo and one for soldiers. Each wagon is supposed to take 85 people but usually carries more than double the safety limit, AFP said.

Energy

The North's energy shortages have been aggravated by the U.S. decision in 2002 to stop free oil shipments after North Korea said it had broken its nuclear-freeze pledge.

Yesterday's blast leveled the train station and several high- rise buildings in a heavily populated area of Ryongchon, AFP reported. China is asking North Korea to move some of the injured to China, and North Korea is insisting Chinese medical workers come to North Korea, South Korean Unification Minister Jeong Se Hyun told a press briefing in Seoul.

The U.S. would be willing to help North Korea with humanitarian aid, State Department spokesman Richard Boucher said. The U.S. has branded the North as part of an ``axis of evil'' that included prewar Iraq and Iran.

``We should prepare to send aid as soon as we gather accurate information,'' South Korean acting President Goh Kun told a cabinet meeting, according to a statement from his office.

North Korea and the U.S. have been in a 19-month standoff since North Korea said it restarted its nuclear-arms program. The U.S. leads a group including China, Russia, South Korea and Japan that has met formally twice with North Korea in an attempt to persuade it to dismantle the program.

``North Korea is unlikely to use this accident as an excuse to stall six-way talks,'' South Korea's Jeong said. ``Rather, North Korea would want aid from South Korea and other nations in order to deal with this accident. It's likely to be more cooperative.''
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#16 Posted on 23.4.04 1451.48
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    Originally posted by Grimis
    The U.S. would be willing to help North Korea with humanitarian aid, State Department spokesman Richard Boucher said. The U.S. has branded the North as part of an ``axis of evil'' that included prewar Iraq and Iran.


I hope this much is true, because this is really no time for the Bush administration to get greedy and start claiming moral highground over North Korea. There was a tragedy and their citizens need help, regardless of what a bad person Kim Jong Il may be. By all means, these people need aid.
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#17 Posted on 23.4.04 1837.02
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    Originally posted by It's False
      Originally posted by Grimis
      The U.S. would be willing to help North Korea with humanitarian aid, State Department spokesman Richard Boucher said. The U.S. has branded the North as part of an ``axis of evil'' that included prewar Iraq and Iran.


    I hope this much is true, because this is really no time for the Bush administration to get greedy and start claiming moral highground over North Korea. There was a tragedy and their citizens need help, regardless of what a bad person Kim Jong Il may be. By all means, these people need aid.


In fairness to our administration, they have aided other "enemies" when tragedy has struck. Sometimes the countries have refused the aid but we have offered it.
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