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#1 Posted on 4.1.02 1344.47
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Anybody else seen the list, yet?

Same thing every year, four albums that sell and one from a legend in album of the year. I mean seriously, one of the best albums of the year was supposed to be "Stankonia"? C'mon! Look at friggin' name of the album. You can't let that happen. Yeesh!



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#2 Posted on 4.1.02 1357.57
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It is kind of nice though to see Ryan Adams get a nomination, even if it does mean that he'll never truly be able to come home to his Bloodshot family again.



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#3 Posted on 4.1.02 1405.05
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While I am a Outkast fan, I would not say Stankonia is one of the best albums of the year. I wouldn't even say that was Outkast's best album. Aquemini is the best Outkast album, pick it up if you see it.

But the Grammys are all about PC and picking the most popular artists. I respect Billboard awards alot more because they tell you it is about the airplay and sales, period. I mean...is U2 really that good that they have to get 8+ nominations every year? I think their best music is waaaaaaay behind them But since the Grammy people didn't give a rat's ass about them before, they feel like they have to reward them now. It is BS. It is all BS. You mean to tell me that the groups who got the most airplay last year happen to have made the BEST music? Yeah right.



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#4 Posted on 4.1.02 1559.17
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Ryan Adams got THREE nominations, actually.



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#5 Posted on 4.1.02 2053.10
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Anyone want to tell me how System of the Down gets into the Bes METAL Performance category? They are hard rock, but compared to the other nominees in the category (i.e. Slipknot, Slayer), they are NOT Metal.



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#6 Posted on 4.1.02 2116.07
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Haven't seen 'em yet, but Ryan Adams getting 3 noms is definitely good news. His album was certainly one of the better ones last year. Don't really know much about Outkast, but I think U2's album was aweseome. I had forgotten it came out this past year tho. It seems like so long ago now. Hopefully David Garza got a little recognition somewhere too. Maybe even the Blake Babies . . .

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#7 Posted on 4.1.02 2222.16
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I think the gramm„ ¢ommittee just has a hard time dealing with their own categories, they make one's to follow a trend and then don't know what to do with it. Remember 1989 and the first Heavy Metal winner. Anybody remember who won? Yeah, that's right, those heavy metal standouts Jethro Tull.

And then look at alternative. Remember when alternative meant Pearl Jam, Nirvana, Smashing Punmpkins? Now its Tori Amos??? Nothing against her, its just, they don't know what to do anymore.

(Warning: Gramm„ rant getting longer)

Dave Matthews Band and Pearl Jam, you may or may not like them, but they are a combination of some of the best musicians today. They each have one grammy in their careers. One! And they are both for music that wasn't really their best. "Spin the Black Circle" and "So Much To Say" are not bad, but they definately aren't the best these two have come up with, and that's what they get the gramm„$ for. Milli Vanilli got two grammys in one year. The same as PJ and DMB combined.

It's like Eddie Vedder said at the '96 grammys. These don't matter anymore, its all about who is popular and not about the music.



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#8 Posted on 4.1.02 2233.45
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Well of COURSE it's about who's popular.

The whole point of the show isn't to honor those talented in music, it's to get ratings. While some no name band(note: yes, I realise that PJ and DMB aren't no name bands, I'm just taking it to the next extreme) who plays in crowds of 40 for $10 a night might be better than any band that wins any grammy, people wouldn't stay tuned the Grammies if they won.



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#9 Posted on 4.1.02 2248.35
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I understand that thinking completely, but why can the Oscar's do that. If wanted to see who's popular, I'd watch the Billboard or American Music Awards. The Gramm„ is the original, its supposed to uphold some imaginary integrity that comes with being one of the "big" awards (Oscar, Grammy, Emmy, Source Hip-hop, etc.). But yeah, I see what you mean, just pisses me off.



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#10 Posted on 4.1.02 2312.36
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<<I think the gramm„ ¢ommittee just has a hard time dealing with their own categories, they make one's to follow a trend and then don't know what to do with it. Remember 1989 and the first Heavy Metal winner. Anybody remember who won? Yeah, that's right, those heavy metal standouts Jethro Tull.
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Back then, the category was called "Hard Rock/Heavy Metal". I think they changed it afterwards, but when that was the title of the category it was appropriate to put that particular Jethro Tull album in that slot. It was their hardest-rocking album in years (quit snickering, I know that isn't saying much). And the fact was that back then, the Grammy voters were even older and more out of touch than they are today, so Tull was probably the only band in that category that they'd ever heard of.

Personally, I think everybody in the music business realizes that the right attitude about the Grammys is the one that Homer Simpson has.

I don't even remember the last time I sat through the whole show. Of course, the music I like never gets any recognition anyway.

Later, Rudy



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#11 Posted on 5.1.02 0106.34
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It really sucks when a band as talented as the Dave Matthews Band cant get any recognation from the Grammys. While Everyday wasnt as good as most of their past stuff it is still better than most of the stuff that did make the list.



At least David Grey got nominated for something



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#12 Posted on 5.1.02 0145.12
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Regarding the problems with the alternative category, I will agree with the idea that term is basically meaningless now, but I do have to quibble with the example used to illustrate this fact. Tori has always been placed in with the alternative scene, all the way back to when 120 Minutes was actually a fairly meaningful show. Now if someone can explain to me why the local "alternative" station plays Limp Bizkit, that I'd be interested in hearing.



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#13 Posted on 5.1.02 1214.50
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Because at one point, no one ever heard of them. Their only big press was back at Spring Break '98(or was it 1999?) playing at one of those fashion shows after Pitchshifter. But then Significant Other came out and then...well, MTV thought it was cool and decided to make them stars.

Hey, I remember when WSOU (I mean the REAL WSOU. NJ's Hardest Rock, not the new metal-less format it now has) used to play these guys regularly. They didn't play them after Significant Other came out. (Of course, they will NOW since the station isn't just metal. Grr.)

I'm still impressed that Slayer and Slipknot got a nomination in Best Metal Performance.



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#14 Posted on 5.1.02 1217.02
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You might be right Skunk. Or it might be that someone screwed up and thought that "alternative" meant "music which is an alternative to things which are good" which is my personal theory



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#15 Posted on 5.1.02 1229.10
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There's only one thing that needs to be said about the Grammy's and why no one should care.

The Best New Arist award for 2001 went to Shelby Lynne. Anyone know when her first album was released in the US? Ten years earlier in 1991. And it's not like it was on some no name label...it was Columbia.

How sad...



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#16 Posted on 5.1.02 1746.43
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Loathe as I am to defend the Grammy's on this one, they do try to make clear that the Best New Artist is defined, admittedly somewhat ambiguously, as the artist who released their first album garnering significant public attention during the voting year. Otherwise really the only groups who would ever be eligible would be studio creations and boy bands, since most rock groups tend to have an album or two out of some sort before anyone notices their alive.



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#17 Posted on 6.1.02 2040.56
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Originally posted by PinkSkunk
Anyone want to tell me how System of the Down gets into the Bes METAL Performance category? They are hard rock, but compared to the other nominees in the category (i.e. Slipknot, Slayer), they are NOT Metal.



Easy.

The same way that Nine Inch Nails was placed in the Metal Category around the 1993 awards - and won, beating albums like "Countdown to Extinction" by Megadeth.

The same way the aforementioned Jethro Tull/Metallica snafu occured during the first year such an award was presented (which created several years of the Grammys kissing Metallica's and Living Colour's asses to make up for it).

When you create an awards-show-as-marketing-tool like the Grammies, stuff like this happens.



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#18 Posted on 7.1.02 1144.33
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All I know about the Grammys is that Joe Satriani, one of the best and most innovative rock guitarists OF ALL TIME, has been nominated 8 or 9 times for Best Rock Intrumental Performance, and he has won ZERO Grammys. This is the MOST HANOUS ACT OF MUSICAL INJUSTICE EVER. He's nominated again this year for his live version of Always With Me, Always With You, and if the damn Grammys force me to watch Satch lose AGAIN to some name which is slightly more recognizable than his.....well, let's just hope I don't put my foot through the TV. GIVE THE MAN HIS DUE!!



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#19 Posted on 7.1.02 1820.43
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Originally posted by spf2119
Loathe as I am to defend the Grammy's on this one, they do try to make clear that the Best New Artist is defined, admittedly somewhat ambiguously, as the artist who released their first album garnering significant public attention during the voting year. Otherwise really the only groups who would ever be eligible would be studio creations and boy bands, since most rock groups tend to have an album or two out of some sort before anyone notices their alive.


Actually they did a better job with this category this year. David Gray is the only nominee who isn`t really "new".

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#20 Posted on 7.1.02 1854.09
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But David Gray is new to the U.S. In fact, before Dave Matthews started getting involved and Babylon hit, not many people in the U.S. had hear of them. I have problems with Best New Artist awards that go to people who have some serious previous name recognition.

But then, the Grammy's aren't as bad as the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. I mean, Black Sabbath and Rush, 2 of the most influencial bands every, aren't in yet, with Black Sabbath being nominated for the 5th time this year, while Rush again got snubbed. And neither made the list.



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