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#1 Posted on 29.3.04 1402.37
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There are three things you can count on in this world: death, taxes, and the Maple Leafs being sans a key piece or four going into the playoffs.

The bitch of it is that he was playing REALLY well the last month or so, too.

TORONTO (AP) Toronto Maple Leafs forward Owen Nolan will be sidelined up to three weeks because of a knee injury sustained in a tie against Ottawa. The Maple Leafs had no immediate comment on the extent of the injury, but coach Pat Quinn said Nolan would be re-evaluated in three weeks.

Nolan was injured when he checked Senators center Bryan Smolinski late in the second period of a 2-2 tie Saturday night.

Nolan, who has 19 goals and 29 assists this season, collapsed to the ice after his leg buckled during the hit.
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#2 Posted on 29.3.04 1412.02
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Oh snap...

And they were so close to winning the cup......hahha!

It didn't matter if he was in the lineup or not...they are going nowhere....
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#3 Posted on 29.3.04 1425.33
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At least this year they didn't follow their normal trade deadline insanity and just went out and got the best scorer available...this time they were really precise about getting two defensemen and a power play scorer and hitter.

Where they're GOING after this year (assuming there is a next year, mind you) is most likely back to square one if they don't win the Cup. This team isn't getting any younger and you'd think that sooner or later and especially in the face of an uncertain labor situation that they'd think about hitting the reset button and prospect-izing the team so that maybe 5 years from now they can re-open the window.

I don't think they get any higher than 4th though unless Boston has a total collapse this week. Toronto's 2 points back right now and they have Atlanta, Buffalo and Ottawa left...so on paper call that 3-4 points. Boston gets Washington, Carolina and New Jersey twice. That's 4 points minimum most likely, since I can't see Carolina or especially Washington beating them.
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#4 Posted on 29.3.04 1428.46
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    Originally posted by Blanket Jackson
    At least this year they didn't follow their normal trade deadline insanity and just went out and got the best scorer available...this time they were really precise about getting two defensemen and a power play scorer and hitter.

    Where they're GOING after this year (assuming there is a next year, mind you) is most likely back to square one if they don't win the Cup. This team isn't getting any younger and you'd think that sooner or later and especially in the face of an uncertain labor situation that they'd think about hitting the reset button and prospect-izing the team so that maybe 5 years from now they can re-open the window.

    I don't think they get any higher than 4th though unless Boston has a total collapse this week. Toronto's 2 points back right now and they have Atlanta, Buffalo and Ottawa left...so on paper call that 3-4 points. Boston gets Washington, Carolina and New Jersey twice. That's 4 points minimum most likely, since I can't see Carolina or especially Washington beating them.



Remeber the Sens have a game in hand, so in the end the could be battling for home ice advantage come the last game of the season....
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#5 Posted on 29.3.04 1448.45
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    Originally posted by Socks
      Originally posted by Blanket Jackson
      At least this year they didn't follow their normal trade deadline insanity and just went out and got the best scorer available...this time they were really precise about getting two defensemen and a power play scorer and hitter.

      Where they're GOING after this year (assuming there is a next year, mind you) is most likely back to square one if they don't win the Cup. This team isn't getting any younger and you'd think that sooner or later and especially in the face of an uncertain labor situation that they'd think about hitting the reset button and prospect-izing the team so that maybe 5 years from now they can re-open the window.

      I don't think they get any higher than 4th though unless Boston has a total collapse this week. Toronto's 2 points back right now and they have Atlanta, Buffalo and Ottawa left...so on paper call that 3-4 points. Boston gets Washington, Carolina and New Jersey twice. That's 4 points minimum most likely, since I can't see Carolina or especially Washington beating them.



    Remeber the Sens have a game in hand, so in the end the could be battling for home ice advantage come the last game of the season....


And most likely against each other as well...I would have preferred Toronto to lay back for that game and not show Ottawa anything, but given the implications, it's for all intents an 8-game series....first one for home ice, then 7 for the next round.

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#6 Posted on 29.3.04 1940.17
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    Originally posted by Socks
    Remeber the Sens have a game in hand, so in the end the could be battling for home ice advantage come the last game of the season.

Home advantage? What did Ottawa city council finally found a way to ban Leaf fans from the arena? You might get last change advantage but as for home crowd advantage well... Game 7 will either be played in front of majority of Corporate Leaf fans filling up the ACC or Game 7 in Ottawa being played in the Corel Centre as it's filled with majority of vocal loyal Leaf fans as they start up chants as the best Ottawa locals can do is try to drown them out with booos.

BTW losing Nolan is horrible for The Leafs, he's been one of T.O more consistent players in the last month and is finally starting the mesh well with Francis... It's really unfortunate he got injured on such a low key way. He just went in for a check and connected knee to knee and out he went.
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#7 Posted on 29.3.04 2159.25
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    Originally posted by Net Hack Slasher
      Originally posted by Socks
      Remeber the Sens have a game in hand, so in the end the could be battling for home ice advantage come the last game of the season.

    Home advantage? What did Ottawa city council finally found a way to ban Leaf fans from the arena? You might get last change advantage but as for home crowd advantage well... Game 7 will either be played in front of majority of Corporate Leaf fans filling up the ACC or Game 7 in Ottawa being played in the Corel Centre as it's filled with majority of vocal loyal Leaf fans as they start up chants as the best Ottawa locals can do is try to drown them out with booos.

    BTW losing Nolan is horrible for The Leafs, he's been one of T.O more consistent players in the last month and is finally starting the mesh well with Francis... It's really unfortunate he got injured on such a low key way. He just went in for a check and connected knee to knee and out he went.


This year looks like we'll get some excellent first round match-ups...but the best will probably be Ottawa vs. Toronto.

Let's see how it goes.
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#8 Posted on 30.3.04 0018.25
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The Leafs never played better as a team than in the 2002 playoffs where half the team was injured. They were cruising along until Game 2 of the Carolina series where everyone came back, and then they promptly lost four of five to drop the series.

Hopefully the Leafs use Nolan's loss as a Patrick Ewing theory type thing....and frankly, they always beat Ottawa in the playoffs anyway, so no biggie.
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#9 Posted on 30.3.04 0907.39
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    Originally posted by Blanket Jackson

    Where they're GOING after this year (assuming there is a next year, mind you) is most likely back to square one if they don't win the Cup. This team isn't getting any younger and you'd think that sooner or later and especially in the face of an uncertain labor situation that they'd think about hitting the reset button and prospect-izing the team so that maybe 5 years from now they can re-open the window.



Whether there's a strike or not, this could be the last year for Francis, Johansson, Mogilny, Nieuwendyk, and Reichel, and perhaps for Renberg and Belfour. If there's a strike, I think you add Roberts to the list. Fitzgerald isn't getting any younger either. Blowing up the roster looks pretty likely, but considering that the Leafs don't have much in the way of prospects, and that there are going to be a record number of free agents available, I don't think we will have to wait for a rebuilding period.

It will be interesting to see what JFJ does this offseason.
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#10 Posted on 30.3.04 1139.08
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Here we go again? What? With the Toronto Maple Buds Fan annual whinging? "There but for misfortune go we" and so forth, et cetera.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, Toronto could possibly have a legitimately great team this year.

An injury to Nolan, while important, shouldn't compromise the entire season and certainly not the playoffs. Without adversity there's no room for others to step up. And generally it's the stepping up of play of the lesser-knowns that makes the difference between a Cup and another "failure of a year."

Give your boys a chance. If every Leafs fan in existence suddenly hops on the, "aw shit, here we go," bandwagon the team is going to realize there's no faith and they're going to start playing that way.

Don't be afraid to believe

(after all, it's not like we're talking about the Red Sox here...)
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#11 Posted on 30.3.04 1437.07
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Best line I've heard about the Leafs so far this spring...

"Don't worry about Ed Belfour; Trevor Kidd is a Stanley Cup hero waiting to happen. He's a former first round draft pick, and could carry this team on his back if it comes to that." -- Some jackass on Leafs Talk, about two weeks ago

This Leafs team is essentially the same as every Leafs team of the past five years that hasn't been able to win anything: old "character", "gritty" slow guys who can't score like they used to hoping and praying that their goaltender can carry them on his back.

Give it a couple of weeks and the calls for Pat Quinn's head will begin. The only place these guys are headed is the glue factory.
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#12 Posted on 31.3.04 1553.16
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    Originally posted by BigVitoMark
    Best line I've heard about the Leafs so far this spring...

    "Don't worry about Ed Belfour; Trevor Kidd is a Stanley Cup hero waiting to happen. He's a former first round draft pick, and could carry this team on his back if it comes to that." -- Some jackass on Leafs Talk, about two weeks ago

    This Leafs team is essentially the same as every Leafs team of the past five years that hasn't been able to win anything: old "character", "gritty" slow guys who can't score like they used to hoping and praying that their goaltender can carry them on his back.

    Give it a couple of weeks and the calls for Pat Quinn's head will begin. The only place these guys are headed is the glue factory.


Amen Brother...

The best line ever was ``This team is built for the playoffs``

HA!
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#13 Posted on 31.3.04 2344.48
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"This Leafs team is essentially the same as every Leafs team of the past five years that hasn't been able to win anything"

In the last five years they've won quite a few regular season games and had a good playoff run with an injury riddled team!

"old "character", "gritty" slow guys who can't score like they used to"

Uh, I think they're in the top five in league scoring this year.

"hoping and praying that their goaltender can carry them on his back."

If he stays healthy he's a really good goalie and unlike most of the other goalies in the playoffs this year, he's won a Cup!

"Amen Brother..."

Your preacher is retarded.

"The best line ever was ``This team is built for the playoffs``"

Yeah, it's so obvious a big budget team full of vets that grabbed more talent at the trade deadline is rebuilding for next year.
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#14 Posted on 4.4.04 2125.17
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Amen Brother...

The best line ever was ``This team is built for the playoffs``

HA!


TORONTO - LAST 5 YEARS

1999 - 3rd round exit
2000 - 2nd round exit
2001 - 2nd round exit
2002 - 3rd round exit
2003 - 1st round exit

AVERAGE EXIT: 2.2 rounds out of 4


OTTAWA - LAST 5 YEARS

1999 - 1st round exit
2000 - 1st round exit (Toronto)
2001 - 1st round exit (Toronto)
2002 - 2nd round exit (Toronto)
2003 - 3rd round exit

AVERAGE EXIT: 1.6 rounds out of 4

To hear any Ottawa fan gloat about the "playoff calibre" of Toronto is a sick joke.

Ottawa fans have nothing to celebrate. Their team regularly chokes under pressure, and have done ZERO to prove their anything more than a bunch of guys who overachieve during the regular season and make the appropriate exit come the time the real teams come to play hockey.

I hate this city's hockey team, and NOTHING would leave me with a bigger grin than to watch Toronto sweep them under the rug once again. (And I don't even LIKE the Leafs.)

The running of the mouthes of Ottawa fans towards Toronto is all for naught until their hockey team can back it up on the ice, which it inevitably will not.
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