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| #21 Posted on 25.3.04 1617.06 Reposted on: 25.3.11 1619.42 | Edge's only chance is to get the Eddy Guerrero, Stone Cold Steve Austin, I'm-so-over-you-really-MUST-push-me heat. And few ever get that.
Three words.
Rob. Van. Dam. | Venom
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| #22 Posted on 25.3.04 1624.02 Reposted on: 25.3.11 1626.27 | Originally posted by Kawshen Edge's only chance is to get the Eddy Guerrero, Stone Cold Steve Austin, I'm-so-over-you-really-MUST-push-me heat. And few ever get that.
Three words.
Rob. Van. Dam.
Amen. I still go to sleep crying that Rob only got a one-shot three-way main-event after being the most over babyface through the entire invasion. | HMD
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| #23 Posted on 25.3.04 1636.33 Reposted on: 25.3.11 1642.22 | Okay then, you need to get the Eddy Guerrero, Stone Cold Steve Austin, I'm-so-over-you-really-MUST-push-me heat and be able to sell. | Venom
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| #24 Posted on 25.3.04 1638.37 Reposted on: 25.3.11 1642.33 | Originally posted by Hogan's My Dad Okay then, you need to get the Eddy Guerrero, Stone Cold Steve Austin, I'm-so-over-you-really-MUST-push-me heat and be able to sell.
Or not stiff Undertaker so hard that he runs crying to the locker room like a crying little pus... errrrr respectable locker room leader.
You could also throw Jericho into that mix from late 99 until mid 2000...
(edited by Venom on 25.3.04 1439) | HMD
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| #25 Posted on 25.3.04 1644.13 Reposted on: 25.3.11 1647.22 | Originally posted by Venom
Originally posted by Hogan's My Dad Okay then, you need to get the Eddy Guerrero, Stone Cold Steve Austin, I'm-so-over-you-really-MUST-push-me heat and be able to sell.
Or not stiff Undertaker so hard that he runs crying to the locker room like a crying little pus... errrrr respectable locker room leader.
You could also throw Jericho into that mix from late 99 until mid 2000...
(edited by Venom on 25.3.04 1439)
RVD stiffed 'Taker? | feetontheropes
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| #26 Posted on 25.3.04 1650.16 Reposted on: 25.3.11 1650.37 | Ialso agree that Edge would be much better off on smackdown. Edge vs heel Booker T was promising last time although it would need more substance that a fight over shampoo. I'm not much of an Edge fan and I don't want him near Christian because it really would hurt both of them over the long run. In fact I can't really think of anyone on raw that I would really want him to fued with. Not to say that there aren't possibilities just no obvious ones from where I stand (other than Triple H). | Venom
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| #27 Posted on 25.3.04 1657.15 Reposted on: 25.3.11 1659.01 | Originally posted by Hogan's My Dad
Originally posted by Venom
Originally posted by Hogan's My Dad Okay then, you need to get the Eddy Guerrero, Stone Cold Steve Austin, I'm-so-over-you-really-MUST-push-me heat and be able to sell.
Or not stiff Undertaker so hard that he runs crying to the locker room like a crying little pus... errrrr respectable locker room leader.
You could also throw Jericho into that mix from late 99 until mid 2000...
(edited by Venom on 25.3.04 1439)
RVD stiffed 'Taker?
He held that locker-room meeting during the invasion regarding RVD's penchant for throwing blind kicks. Plus you had JR crapping his pants every week in the Hoss Report about "certain wrestlers" needing to "ease up" due to so many injuries. It's conjecture, mind you, much like 95 percent of what we discuss on here. The funny thing is, a few weeks after all this went down, Taker busted open Austin hardway on Smackdown with a chair shot. Irony, and all that.
RVD's depush was a combination of him working too stiff, having an incompatable style with the rest of the locker-room (and everyone refusing to adjust), and him being a Heyman creation and not a MacMahon's. That being said, Edge will get the shit pushed out him since he's the exact opposite of all the criteria, whether he's over or not. | Battlezone
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| #28 Posted on 25.3.04 1726.33 Reposted on: 25.3.11 1726.55 | Originally posted by Venom RVD's depush was a combination of him working too stiff, having an incompatable style with the rest of the locker-room (and everyone refusing to adjust), and him being a Heyman creation and not a MacMahon's. That being said, Edge will get the shit pushed out him since he's the exact opposite of all the criteria, whether he's over or not.
Wait a minute. RVD had a style that was different from the majority of the locker room, and it was the LOCKER ROOM that needed to change their style? I'm not disagreeing with the rest of what you said, but that doesn't seem to make a whole lot of sense. | Venom
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| #29 Posted on 25.3.04 1731.29 Reposted on: 25.3.11 1731.31 | Originally posted by Battlezone
Originally posted by Venom RVD's depush was a combination of him working too stiff, having an incompatable style with the rest of the locker-room (and everyone refusing to adjust), and him being a Heyman creation and not a MacMahon's. That being said, Edge will get the shit pushed out him since he's the exact opposite of all the criteria, whether he's over or not.
Wait a minute. RVD had a style that was different from the majority of the locker room, and it was the LOCKER ROOM that needed to change their style? I'm not disagreeing with the rest of what you said, but that doesn't seem to make a whole lot of sense.
Didn't mean it to sound that way, just that he had a style that clashed with everyone, neither side wanted to change or adjust, that's what helped kill him. | Nate The Snake
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| #30 Posted on 25.3.04 1846.56 Reposted on: 25.3.11 1847.38 | Originally posted by Venom Didn't mean it to sound that way, just that he had a style that clashed with everyone, neither side wanted to change or adjust, that's what helped kill him.
Not to defend the dubious "leadership" of the Undertakers of the world, but RVD's style of wrestling had nothing to do with it... it was his unwillingness/inability to perform the moves properly. There's a method to throwing a pulled punch, there're ways to throw a fake kick, and if you can't do that, you DON'T. The occasional misfire/bad positioning is one thing, but there for a while it was pretty much a given... if you wrestled RVD, you would get nailed. That's highly unprofessional.
The only adjustment that needed to be made was RVD's to make... get his shit together and stop kicking people. | Hoodle
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| #31 Posted on 25.3.04 2243.43 Reposted on: 25.3.11 2244.06 | Back to Edge . . .
I want Edge to be the one to finally derail Orton's IC stranglehold . . . sometime around June. Then build Edge from there.
Before anyone says it - I hate the mentality that the IC belt is beneath anyone. It only seems that way because of the usual cast of characters who fight over it. A nice Spring-long feud between Evolution/Edge culminating at the June PPV would do wonders for the IC belt, as well as Edge and Orton. Then maybe move Edge on to the World title picture by Rumble '05 or so . . . | Anti_Guy
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| #32 Posted on 26.3.04 1806.48 Reposted on: 26.3.11 1810.31 | Originally posted by Stilton Was anyone else disappointed with Edge's return tonight? His pop was pretty luke warm.
For one thing, it seemed to come out of nowhere, and the crowd's reaction seemed to be, for the most part, "Oh, is that Edge? I guess we should cheer or something, huh?"
I don't think they teased his return long enough on television before actually having him show his face on RAW. I think they should have picked a date and built to it, like they did for Undertaker leading up to Wrestlemania XX. That would have really got people riled for his return, and his pop would have been way bigger.
Next week will be the litmus test. People will be expecting to see Edge, so they will be prepared to pop for him. It'll be interesting to see how many Edge signs there will be in the crowd next Monday, etc.
I actually saw a few commercials stating that EDGE IS COMING, but that was like on the weekend before the draft. Either that or there were other ones earlier that I didn't notice. I was expecting a bigger reaction to Edge returning, and I thought that something was wrong with my TV speakers.
Originally posted by samoflange He hasn't even been able to do anything since he's come back. We have no idea exactly what type of character he will be playing. All we know is that he gave Easy E a spear, albeit a fairly unimpressive one, and that he has a sweet leather jacket. Wait till Monday before passing judgements on Edge. All that can really be said right now is that he's gotta get rid of the spear. First off, he had neck surgery, so its already a bad idea. Next, he is returning at the same time Goldberg is leaving. And nobody (that I've seen at least) dishes out a spear like Goldberg. Plus, Rhyno is on RAW now to fill in for Goldberg as the resident spear'er. Edge needs to stick to a more unique finisher.
I agree with this. 18 months of both surgery and rehabilitation (and being injured in OVW to get back your wrestling skill) does horrible wonders to your wrestling skills. But you have to give Edge credit for actually being about to run out there and give as samoflange says, 'Easy E' that spear, even though it may have been sloppy.
Originally posted by Venom Didn't mean it to sound that way, just that he had a style that clashed with everyone, neither side wanted to change or adjust, that's what helped kill him.
The fans would be very disappointed i would think if RVD was like any regular wrestler. Its his style that makes the wrestling he does more aesthetic. Its certainly more interesting that watching the Big Show repeatedly slamming people on the ground. It would also get very boring if all wrestlers were like RVD. Like Rey Mysterio Jr. vs. Rey Mysterio Jr. Wrestling is about making it all look good (like Rene Dupree did when Billy Kidman gave him an enziguri this week on Smackdown!; he flipped right over) UNIty through diVERSITY people. | Hoodle
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| #33 Posted on 26.3.04 1834.12 Reposted on: 26.3.11 1837.50 | To those who are worried about Edge's in-ring skills . . .
If it's any consolation, on Byte This! Edge told a story about how Ivory was amazed that he "hadn't even missed a step!"
Take that for what it's worth . . . but still . . . it's hope.
I will point out that I think Edge is a little bit bigger this time around, but that may end up being a good thing. | ALL ORIGINAL POSTS IN THIS THREAD ARE NOW AVAILABLE |
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