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#1 Posted on 4.1.02 0940.41
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As a die-hard Boston Celtics fan, I'm curious as to how people from other parts of the country perceive this team ... They've really been a lackluster club over the last several seasons, and (now that they're near the top of the Eastern Conference) I see a lot of the national media refuse to give them credit because they're waiting for the "inevitable drop-off" that will knock the C's back down to the Eastern Conference cellar.

So, how about it? I KNOW that Celtics fans think the Walker/Pierce duo is the shiz-nit (as the young kids like to say), but what about other NBA fans ... CRZ, your Sacramento Kings spanked our boys pretty handily a couple night ago, so your opinion will be tainted and thus inadmissable





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    #2 Posted on 4.1.02 1025.37
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    I can honestly say I am a Celtics fan, but I had no idea that they were contending this year. I guess I should call myself an "old school" Celtics fan since the only games I watch are the ones that come on ESPN Classic, or NBA.com TV. I've seen every great Celtics game from "the greatest shot I ever saw" -Auerbach, (Celtics-Rockets, '81 finals) to Celtics-Pacers in '92(?) where Bird makes a miraculous return, after shattering his jaw on the parquet floor, to lead the Celtics to a win...("The Duel" Dominique-Bird, '88 Conference semis happens to be my favorite if you were wondering )

    I just can't get into the Celtics nowadays...I still have a bitter hatred towards all Kentucky Wildcat alums, and Walker and McCarty were big reasons for that. (Hey, at least you got rid of Mercer!)



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    #3 Posted on 4.1.02 1038.03
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    I never really was a fan of the Celtics until one certain Jayhawk joined the team , but I feel this team has a lot of talent and could go far in the playoffs.



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    #4 Posted on 4.1.02 1201.31
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    The Celtics are a really nice team. I like the Pierce/Walker combination. I question if a team can go far with K. Anderson as the starting point guard. Although in the Eastern conference I don't know how much that will matter until they get into a playoff series against the Bucks/Hornets/Nets. Those three teams along with the Celtics are the upper class of the East.
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    #5 Posted on 4.1.02 1242.29
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    All I know about the Celtics is that Paul Pierce is THE MAN~! in my fantasy basketball team.



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    #6 Posted on 4.1.02 1447.40
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    Originally posted by chuckc14
    I just can't get into the Celtics nowadays...I still have a bitter hatred towards all Kentucky Wildcat alums, and Walker and McCarty were big reasons for that. (Hey, at least you got rid of Mercer!)


    I'm on the other end of the spectrum in that, as a Wildcat fan, my appreciation of the Celtics grew after they hired Pitino and brought in all of the former Wildcats. (I was a big fan during the heyday Bird/Parrish/McHale, but my interest waned.)

    But, my question for ChuckC14 is: I've seen your posts and figured out you're a Vandy fan, but why all the anti-love to the Wildcats?

    When your guys graduate they can go into the real world with a Vanderbilt diploma. When (if) the Wildcats graduate, they have a degree from a good school, but not quite as prestigious as Vandy. I'm not going to talk smack and mention Vandy's recent record against the 'Cats, because I too well remember the titanic struggles we had against some of the late 80's early to mid-90's Vandy teams that featured guys like Scott Draud (80's), Billy McCaffrey (90's), etc. Plus I went to college and grad school with a friend whose younger brother played for Vandy so I have a lot of respect for the Commodores.

    Besides, lots of 'Cat fans have disowned Walker because he talked Nazr Mohammed into leaving school a year before he was ready. But don't dis Walt. I remember him hitting the 3 to put the dagger in LSU's heart during the GREATEST COMEBACK IN THE HISTORY OF COLLEGE BASKETBALL back in '94!

    And don't give me the old "Wilcat fans are idiots" line. Most of us are reasonable people who like all SEC teams (when they're not playing against UK). Most of us thought that Pitino didn't deserve to be treated badly when he came back to Rupp for the UK/UL game.




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    #7 Posted on 4.1.02 1459.03
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    Well, the C's have had a pretty good run so far and getting to see all the games on SportsChannel is a plus. I am pretty impressed with Joe Johnson and Pierce has been lights out. I think they will get past a round maybe two in the playoffs.



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    #8 Posted on 4.1.02 1508.09
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    First off, I don't think Wildcat fans are idiots by any means...I happen to think they have the most knowledgable and loyal fans anywhere. I'm so happy there's another school in the SEC that cares about basketball first - football second. It's just that...well...DAMMIT, YOU ALWAYS BEAT US!! The heartbreaker in Memorial three years ago was the worst I've ever felt after any game in any sport. (Maddux three to tie with 4 seconds, Nazi with a prayer that left his hand .00001 seconds after the buzzer!! ) How Nazi f'n Mohammed is in the NBA I'll never know...

    BIG props for knowing your SEC history, even though the glory days of Purdue, Goheen, Wilcox ('88 sweet 16) and McCaffrey, Anglin, Elder ('93 SEC champs, sweet 16, last win over the Wildcats ) are LONG gone. We've got the right coach in place, and we're just a couple more solid recruiting classes away from being back into the upper tier of the SEC where we belong.

    Hey, at least we can share the intense hatred for the Vols that I know we do!





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    #9 Posted on 7.1.02 0845.28
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    As an outsider, I think the Commodores have been hurting since Fogler left. Van Breda Kolff (sp?) just wasn't in Eddie's league. Fogler knew how to beat Pitino, as evidenced by South Carolina's resurgence against the 'Cats as soon as Eddie showed up there.

    Bad weekend to be a 'Cat fan. I figured going in that if we did well we'd be 13-3 or 12-4 in the SEC, but I wasn't expecting to lose a big lead, intensity and the fame to Mississippi State.

    And, ChuckC, you're right about that intense hatred for the Vols. I convulse whenever I hear that damn song "Rocky Top". It doesn't even matter if UT is good or not, I always want them pounded, by everybody. LSU's doesn't bother me (as much) since Dale Brown left. Alabama got Gottfried from my Alma Mater, but I sure miss Wimp's jackets.

    As an aside, Langhi and Goheen both came from the same high school in Marshall County, Kentucky. I mention this only because it is about twenty-five minutes from where I am (and grew up). Vandy also had Aaron Beth from this school, but he never was a "star". Never had much love for their school (stemming WAY back to an experience with a Captain Redneck not named Dick Murdoch at a football game when I was a freshman in high school), but they've been a pipeline of sorts for the Vols.

    Good luck in cofference.
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    #10 Posted on 7.1.02 1531.05
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    Yeah, I miss Wimp's jackets, too. About 5 years ago, Vandy played Wimp's post Alabama team, Arkansas Little Rock in the NIT. He had the nerve to wear a solid colored blazer! I miss the plaid, cause you couldn't look at it for more than a few seconds at a time without your eyes starting to burn.

    Fogler was a GREAT X's and O's coach, no doubt about it...but I think his shortcoming was recruiting. He didn't recruit any of the starters playing for the SEC champs team in '93. McCaffrey (Duke) and Lawson (Indiana) were transfers, (OK, maybe that sort of takes some recruiting skill) and Anglin, Elder, and Hall were all C.M.'s boys (God, I miss him, too). For every Frank Seckar or BJ McKie he got, there were too many Rob Nunnery's and Peter Van Elswyck's. I DO miss the little guy, Aaron Beth, too!




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    #11 Posted on 7.1.02 1625.23
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    C.M. is the MAN. I know y'all hated losing him, but I think he was the greatest AD in the world. He always seemed to carry himself in the greatest manner and (at least to me) seemed beyond reroach with regards to ethics.

    C.M. is the man who hired the man who made Kentucky care about football for one or two seasons. Of course Mumme had other failings, but... hey, it didn't hurt the basketball team.

    Problem for Vandy is, how do you recruit? There is a much smaller number of players who can go to Vandy than the average school. Pesky academic requirements and all. So, they compete for a lot of talent with Duke and Stanford. I would like to know what percentage of SEC student athletes could get into Vandy.

    Vandy has to win by recruiting good basketball players (as opposed to the great ones -McDonald's and Parade All-Americans) who are willing to work hard to win games.
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    #12 Posted on 10.1.02 0010.42
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    Personally, i'm a Gators fan, and sure during the conference play and tournament, obviously i'm pulling for Florida all the time, but in the non conference games, NCAA tournament and even NIT tournament i'm pulling for all SEC teams. And then in the NBA I pull for ex SEC players. So it's good that Joe Johnson is doing so good, I think (and hope) he will win Rookie of the Year. Cause that will be two in a row for the SEC after Mike Miller (WOOHOO) last year.

    As for the team, Pierce/Walker/Joghnson is a great trio but outside of that there isn't much there. Battie is pretty good too but shouldn't really be playing center, if they had a center to play along side of him and had the Kenny Anderson of old they'd have a great starting team and sixth man. But there isn't a whole lot of competition for them. There's the Nets that are for real, the Pacers who I don't think get enough credit. And I can't belive i'm saying this, but if rumors of a Kwame Brown for Rasheed Wallace trade are true then the Wizards are right there too.
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    #13 Posted on 10.1.02 1017.41
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    Hope your Gators are ready for the 2002 version of "the Bomb Squad" on Saturday! Memorial Gym will be rockin'! Go Dores! Oh, and big time thanks for beating the Vols...man, it was sooo funny watching Slay choke at the line in OT. He's such a jackass. Brett Nelson is definitely one of my favorites now!



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    #14 Posted on 10.1.02 1624.36
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    Celtics in the Easter Conference finals. Not that I'm bias or anything
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    #15 Posted on 12.1.02 0210.34
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    Yeah, the Celtics have been doing quite well recently. They've still got a little while to go before shaking off the label of being a “scrub” team (a 15-67 record a few years ago will do that to a franchise). But last year they impressed me, and again this year they're starting to come into their own.

    I haven't gotten too much of an opportunity to see them this year, but I've liked what I have seen. Walker and Pierce are the shiz-nit as you said.

    Outlook, in my opinion--

    At their present rate, I definitely seeing them making the playoffs this year for the first time since 1995. But the Celtics *have* blown it before, as you said, so we'll have to see. Try to keep in mind that this is January, and we're not even at the All-Star break yet. There's plenty of games left to play before we can see once and for all whether or not the team has it. I believe they do.

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    #16 Posted on 12.1.02 2134.33
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    Sad, but true ...





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    #17 Posted on 15.1.02 0839.17
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    It's funny, I never once thought that my high school (Marshall County, KY) would actually be mentioned anywhere, at all. I actually went to school with Langhi and my cousin was friends with Dan Hall and Beth and we know some of Goheen's family. So, though I am a Kentucky fan, Vandy gets respect in my house.



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    #18 Posted on 15.1.02 1016.05
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    Goheen is an absolute legend...His clutch shooting is still talked about today. The half courter to beat top 15 ranked Louisville...The spinning 23 footer to beat Georgia...The two threes in the final :06 seconds to beat Pitt and send us to the sweet 16 in '88...so many more. I think he's actually now a lawyer here in Nashville.

    God Bless Marshall Co. High School for sending us all those studs over the years!



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