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#1 Posted on 9.3.04 2055.58
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I have a strong feeling that he's going to be the next prez. I have noticed that Bush's popularity has declined in recent times. He's not that popular anymore. Ever since he wanted an amendment to ban gay marriages, his popularity has gone down.

He's going to lose just like his father! In the upcoming election, I'm not gonna vote for Bush.

I know that John Kerry is gonna win this one... but I'm not 100% sure. I think it's going to be very close.
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#2 Posted on 9.3.04 2145.18
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The best chance Bush had was prior to the original Democratic front-runner imploding in January. If he holds on for the nomination and then implodes (which, was going to happen sooner or later. Unfortunately, the Democrats caught the break and it happened prior to primary season), Bush wins in a virtual walk.
However, now that Kerry is the nominee, Bush might have to actually, you know, try. And, as a Republican, I'm getting disenchanted with Bush right now, especially after him rolling over for Mexican President Fox last weekend (of course, not that it matters, as Bush loses RI by 20 points anyway. Perhaps this is the year I try to write in Reagan). Throw in the fact that my original hope for the Iraq war hasn't happened, as the House of Saud is still in place.
Now, a close election brings forth an interesting dilemna. I'll go out on a limb now and say Bush somehow manages to win Wyoming and its 3 electoral votes. With those 3 in his pocket, Cheney now has very few positives left. He no longer has the air of stability that was his reason to be VP last time, and can only hurt the ticket. With the late convention, I wouldn't be completely shocked if Cheney faces a floor fight at the convention for the VP slot, especially if it looks like the GOP is facing 3rd and long in the polls. Considering how close the House and Senate are, its tough to take anyone out of there. Personally, I despise Rudy, so God knows I don't want him as VP. It might reach the point where desperate times call for desperate measures, and the Republicans go for the 2-fer on the ballot and roll the dice with Condi Rice. 6 months ago, hell 3 months ago, I would have scoffed at this. However, if it looks bad late summer, that might be the last best card in the deck.
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#3 Posted on 10.3.04 0047.44
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As a Canadian, I'd like nothing more to see Kerry as president. Hell, we'd throw a parade for him in downtown Ottawa just for defeating Bush.

That said, it's still way too early to tell. Anything can happen in politics....hell, just two months ago we were all on this board debating Dean vs. Bush.
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#4 Posted on 10.3.04 0139.13
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RSN: I just have to say the Condi Rice suggestion is brilliant. The mere act of putting a black woman on their ticket would almost certainly pull in a certain amount of voters who just want to vote for history.

Of course, you have to wonder how much of their Southern support might just sit on their hands if such a thing were to come to pass. But if they make Kerry frightening enough, perhaps even the people with the Rebel Flag in their front yards could be convinced to vote Bush and ignore the VP candidate.
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#5 Posted on 10.3.04 0145.22
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Are you guys nuts? Cheney is the Veep. Cheney will not face a fight on the convention floor. Cheney will not have to step aside for Condoleezza Rice, nor ANYBODY.

Also, feel free to turn around and call ME crazy, but I believe W's chances in this election have been vastly, VASTLY underestimated in this thread....except by the Canadian. WHAT
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#6 Posted on 10.3.04 0221.49
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    Originally posted by spf2119
    RSN: I just have to say the Condi Rice suggestion is brilliant. The mere act of putting a black woman on their ticket would almost certainly pull in a certain amount of voters who just want to vote for history.

    Of course, you have to wonder how much of their Southern support might just sit on their hands if such a thing were to come to pass. But if they make Kerry frightening enough, perhaps even the people with the Rebel Flag in their front yards could be convinced to vote Bush and ignore the VP candidate.


Well, now that their candidate, Dean is out of the race, who knows? ;)
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#7 Posted on 10.3.04 0614.16
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Cheney is not going to be replaced unless Bush wants him replaced. You keep hearing rumors, but nothing substantive. There is no way in hell there will be a fight on the floor over Cheney. Remember, the campaigns heavily stage manage these events. If a floor fight did happen, it would doom the campaign.

I do find it humourous that several of the Canadians hope Kerry win. They can join other distinguished "foreigners for Kerry" such a Kim Jong Il and Jean-Betrand Aristide.
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#8 Posted on 10.3.04 0826.07
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The election is "W"'s to lose. Kerry will be so easy to portray as a waffling, ultra liberal. The answer to every question can't be I was a decorated Vietnam vet. "W" is (was) ripe for the taking with a strong candidate. Edwards would have been a much stronger candidate.

However, if the economy falters and job growth continues to be anemic; if the situation in Iraq goes to Hell, and such, Bush could lose.
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#9 Posted on 10.3.04 0934.37
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Are you guys nuts? Cheney is the Veep. Cheney will not face a fight on the convention floor. Cheney will not have to step aside for Condoleezza Rice, nor ANYBODY.

Also, feel free to turn around and call ME crazy, but I believe W's chances in this election have been vastly, VASTLY underestimated in this thread....except by the Canadian. WHAT


CRaZy...

Bush wins this one by a landslide...the only doubt is underestimating the stupidity of the Unwashed Masses, which would vote for Nader just to be cute....What bothers me is Powell has made it CLEAR that he ain't coming back. Rice has been on the fence for about 2 years now - most people that care think this whole "story" is just a reach around to get her to stay on for another term, but Powell ain't - for reasons he dodges. I always wondered if people would vote for him if he made the right decision to RUN, but not against a Republican. But then I read something like this -

Of course, you have to wonder how much of their Southern support might just sit on their hands if such a thing were to come to pass. But if they make Kerry frightening enough, perhaps even the people with the Rebel Flag in their front yards could be convinced to vote Bush and ignore the VP candidate.

spf, with all due respect, you are wrong. People in the South do not really have (and haven't for many years) a problem with Black people in charge of things - the futile attempt to squash the Civil Rights movement saw to that.

What many of the people in the South have a problem with - oddly enough - more Blacks than Whites - is the fact that John Kerry TURNED on his country, when people like my Father, My Uncles, most Old Black People you know's Sons and Daughters and anyone who wasn't privileged went to die in a war that, in retrospect, was DUMB. What's weird is that anyone who was there REALLY doesn't talk about it, much less make that the Central Point of their life / run ads about how HE WAS THERE and some other people weren't.

I think my point is I have heard "I'd rather vote for a nigger than that son of a bitch", said by many people that I respect, who served their country and didn't bitch, even though many of there fellow "brothers" joined the assholes who were spitting on them and yelling "BABY KILLER" when all they were trying to do was come home and get back...

It was one thing to vote for a Draft Dodger, but to pull the lever on a traitor is too much for people that would rather see George Bush imprisoned than serve another four years.


FLEA

P.S - saying that Hercules Hernandez died of "natural causes" is like saying a circle is square

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#10 Posted on 10.3.04 0946.27
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The dems have long been strong in the south. But I don't think Kerry will have as much pull down here and that will be big problems.

Much as I hate to say it...I think Bush will win the election.

And someone already said it, but Edwards would have been a stronger candidate.

Nader won't be near as much an issue this go-round.

The only positive, because the nomination was decided so early, the dems will have a very united front for the entire presidential campaign.
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#11 Posted on 10.3.04 0954.50
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    Originally posted by The Amazing Salami
    The dems have long been strong in the south. But I don't think Kerry will have as much pull down here and that will be big problems.

    Much as I hate to say it...I think Bush will win the election.

    And someone already said it, but Edwards would have been a stronger candidate.

    Nader won't be near as much an issue this go-round.

    The only positive, because the nomination was decided so early, the dems will have a very united front for the entire presidential campaign.


The Dem's on a national level have been weak since the Civil Rights act of 1964. That changed somewhat as the influx of Northerners became huge in the 1980's. However that has been offset by two things. Stong Rep support in Florida with the Cuba issue and the fact that many of the transplanted Northerners are well to do conservative types. For a Dem to satnd a chance he has to be much more conservative than Kerry.
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#12 Posted on 10.3.04 1325.29
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    Originally posted by CRZ
    Are you guys nuts? Cheney is the Veep. Cheney will not face a fight on the convention floor. Cheney will not have to step aside for Condoleezza Rice, nor ANYBODY.

    Also, feel free to turn around and call ME crazy, but I believe W's chances in this election have been vastly, VASTLY underestimated in this thread....except by the Canadian. WHAT






Forget national numbers for a minute, because they are worthless. The media and the public don't always realize that, but that's the case. However, if August 15th comes and poll numbers come out with Kerry ahead outside the margin in Florida, Ohio, Missouri and Pennsylvania; that's the new ballgame I'm talking about. Maybe the revolt doesn't come in the form of a floor fight. But, if your Karl Rove and your facing a Kerry/Edwards ticket that could force you to fight in the Carolina's and Dick Cheney's unfavorable's are above his favorable's (last CNN poll I saw was 37-33 favorable this past week), I can see the 'health reasons' excuse, plus Rice is untouchable. A black female Republican professor matched up against an ambulance chasing lawyer. I like that side-by-side.
On a side note: I hope the Canadians and others do plan and announce plans for the Kerry celebration parade. The 'foreign support' of Kerry should cost him at least 4-5 percent when you throw in the 'if the foreigners want him we don't element'.
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#13 Posted on 10.3.04 1336.47
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"I do find it humourous that several of the Canadians hope Kerry win. They can join other distinguished "foreigners for Kerry" such a Kim Jong Il and Jean-Betrand Aristide."

And 56% of England, compared to the 22% that support Bush.

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#14 Posted on 10.3.04 1536.48
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    Originally posted by oldschoolhero
    "I do find it humourous that several of the Canadians hope Kerry win. They can join other distinguished "foreigners for Kerry" such a Kim Jong Il and Jean-Betrand Aristide."

    And 56% of England, compared to the 22% that support Bush.




Last I checked, neither our Constitution nor the laws of our land make any allowances for the voting rights of British citizens. Feel free to enjoy your condescending sense of superiority, though, if it makes you feel relevant.
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#15 Posted on 10.3.04 1541.05
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Off subject but I just noticed your theo epstein coin...and the gilded theo looks a lot like Zack-era Mark Paul Gosselaar.
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#16 Posted on 10.3.04 1546.12
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"Last I checked, neither our Constitution nor the laws of our land make any allowances for the voting rights of British citizens. Feel free to enjoy your condescending sense of superiority, though, if it makes you feel relevant."

Oh, fuck you. I was responding to Grimis' assertion that all foreign folks against Bush were "them there nasty types". And don't get me started on a "condescending sense of superiority", considering most of the arrogant blow-harded stuff that gets posted around here.

"If it make syou feel relevant"....Jesus. There's a whole world outside of America, you know that, right?

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#17 Posted on 10.3.04 1643.39
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#18 Posted on 10.3.04 2217.22
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    Originally posted by Big Bad
    As a Canadian, I'd like nothing more to see Kerry as president. Hell, we'd throw a parade for him in downtown Ottawa just for defeating Bush.

    That said, it's still way too early to tell. Anything can happen in politics....hell, just two months ago we were all on this board debating Dean vs. Bush.


I heard a rumour that all USAers are supporting Jack Layton for Prime Minister.

As a Sunday morning talk show watcher, I'm looking forward to what should be an interesting election. Out of curiosity, were there ever any changes made to voting procedure after the "hanging chad" debacle of Florida in 2000?

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#19 Posted on 10.3.04 2248.53
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    Originally posted by The Goon
      Originally posted by Big Bad
      As a Canadian, I'd like nothing more to see Kerry as president. Hell, we'd throw a parade for him in downtown Ottawa just for defeating Bush.

      That said, it's still way too early to tell. Anything can happen in politics....hell, just two months ago we were all on this board debating Dean vs. Bush.


    I heard a rumour that all USAers are supporting Jack Layton for Prime Minister.

    As a Sunday morning talk show watcher, I'm looking forward to what should be an interesting election. Out of curiosity, were there ever any changes made to voting procedure after the "hanging chad" debacle of Florida in 2000?




Several places are starting to replace their voting methods with a computerized system, because, as we all know, computers are the answer to all of our problems.
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#20 Posted on 10.3.04 2309.00
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In response to some of the posts on this board....doesn't it bother you Americans that the majority of the rest of the world absolutely hates your president? Sure, the USA isn't exactly the most popular country in the best of time, but Clinton was very popular in Europe (hell, he even has a statue of him in Ireland for his hand in drafting the most recent IRA peace deal). Bush Sr. was well respected for his leadership role in Desert Storm, and even Reagan held in fairly high regard. Obviously you don't want a president that bends over for every other country, but the outright hatred that others has for Bush has to be disconcerting. If you were dating a girl that all of your buddies hated, you'd take it into consideration, right?
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