The W
Views: 98587251
Main | FAQ | Search: Y! / G | Color chart | Log in for more!
1.9.07 0855
The 7 - Hockey - Leetch to the Leafs
This thread has 2 referrals leading to it
Register and log in to post!
(263 newer) Next thread | Previous thread
User
Post (19 total)
canucklover
Pickled pork
Level: 31

Posts: 152/184
EXP: 166119
For next: 19246

Since: 16.7.02
From: Vancouver, BC

Since last post: 3405 days
Last activity: 3023 days
#1 Posted on 3.3.04 1918.43
Reposted on: 3.3.11 1920.27
The Rangers have traded Brian Leetch to the Leafs in exchange for Maxim Kondratiev, Jarkko Immonen and Toronto's first rounder this year and second rounder next year.

Much as I hate the Leafs, this will sure strengthen their lineup. Will Lord Stanley make an appearance in Hogtown??
Promote this thread!
Bullitt
Shot in the dark
Level: 85

Posts: 1079/1917
EXP: 5702589
For next: 195975

Since: 11.1.02
From: Houston

Since last post: 26 days
Last activity: 25 days
#2 Posted on 3.3.04 1942.45
Reposted on: 3.3.11 1942.54
    Originally posted by canucklover
    Will Lord Stanley make an appearance in Hogtown??


Only on its way through Pearson Airport en route to Ottawa...
Planavoy
Bauerwurst
Level: 23

Posts: 75/102
EXP: 64564
For next: 3160

Since: 30.11.03

Since last post: 3777 days
Last activity: 3730 days
#3 Posted on 3.3.04 2127.27
Reposted on: 3.3.11 2128.51
Maxim Kondratiev, Jarkko Immonen as well as Toronto's first-round pick in the 2004 Draft and the team's second-round in 05.
IS WAY WAY WAY too much for Leetch, Gonchar went for less

but i know why they gave so much
It was a rookie Gm mistake

JFergy Jr. is a rookie he thought that macphee is bluffing about dealing him somewhere else but macphee wasn't.
Than Jr. felt pressured to make a deal reached out to St Louis for Pronger offered a similar deal to what he gave for Leetch but they wanted more so Jr. was stuck.
Sather veteran GM saw that jr got no where to go and asked for what he got.
AmericanIcon
Bauerwurst
Level: 24

Posts: 46/107
EXP: 69317
For next: 8809

Since: 6.12.03
From: Toronto, Ontario, Canada

Since last post: 3761 days
Last activity: 3758 days
#4 Posted on 3.3.04 2331.11
Reposted on: 3.3.11 2331.14
Good Trade for the Leafs but how much longer does Leetch have on the contract?
Planavoy
Bauerwurst
Level: 23

Posts: 76/102
EXP: 64564
For next: 3160

Since: 30.11.03

Since last post: 3777 days
Last activity: 3730 days
#5 Posted on 4.3.04 0002.34
Reposted on: 4.3.11 0002.35
2 years 6.5 mill
anibanging
Italian
Level: 35

Posts: 150/246
EXP: 260628
For next: 19310

Since: 5.3.02

Since last post: 1964 days
Last activity: 10 days
#6 Posted on 4.3.04 0151.57
Reposted on: 4.3.11 0152.02
Man I love Brian Leetch and am happy the Leafs picked him up. But they gave up way way too much. Whether it was Ferguson pressured into making some kind of big move before the deadline, or some other explanation, it was a poor move.
dunkndollaz
Banger
Level: 96

Posts: 1127/2547
EXP: 8740678
For next: 248141

Since: 3.1.02
From: Northern NJ

Since last post: 19 days
Last activity: 3 days
#7 Posted on 4.3.04 0730.10
Reposted on: 4.3.11 0730.12
Leetch is in the first year of his two year deal - $6.6m this year and $6.4m next year (like it really matters since no one will be playing hockey next year). Hopefully Sather will be gone by the end of the conract and Leetch will be brought back to NYC.

As a BIG Rangers fan this trade hit me like a stomach punch. Brian Leetch belongs in a Rangers jersey. And from listening to the Leafs fans so far, it sounds like you now have your scapegoat when you don't win the CUP again this year.
JoshMann
Andouille
Level: 87

Posts: 447/2159
EXP: 6297632
For next: 95167

Since: 17.11.03
From: Tallahassee, FL

Since last post: 2240 days
Last activity: 2237 days
AIM:  
Y!:
#8 Posted on 4.3.04 0755.45
Reposted on: 4.3.11 0756.01
It's official: they're gunning for it this year or bust.

They got the thing they needed the absolute most, which was to bolster their blue line, which means more at in the playoffs than the 38 scoring forwards they have.

I guess it's one of things where they figured going for another gunner at the trade deadline wasn't going to help them this year. Thank God it only took them 4 years to figure THAT out.

The Goon
Boudin blanc
Moderator
Level: 94

Posts: 685/2425
EXP: 8121179
For next: 235509

Since: 2.1.02
From: Calgary, Alberta, Canada

Since last post: 26 days
Last activity: 3 days
#9 Posted on 4.3.04 0949.36
Reposted on: 4.3.11 0954.26
    Originally posted by Planavoy
    Maxim Kondratiev, Jarkko Immonen as well as Toronto's first-round pick in the 2004 Draft and the team's second-round in 05.
    IS WAY WAY WAY too much for Leetch, Gonchar went for less



I had thought that Gonchar would have cost the Leafs at least one of Stajan, Coliacovo, or Antropov, plus a pick. I would rather give up the draft picks.

Figures I leave town and they make things exciting again.
Mr. Heat Miser
Blutwurst
Level: 36

Posts: 195/259
EXP: 282688
For next: 25425

Since: 27.1.02

Since last post: 2493 days
Last activity: 595 days
#10 Posted on 4.3.04 1134.37
Reposted on: 4.3.11 1137.07
The Leafs didn't give up too much for Leetch at all. Kondratiev was the # 3 or 4 defenceman at St. Johns. He likely would never make the Leafs anyhow. Reportedly Immonen looked good at the European camp, but is far from a sure thing. I don't like giving up two high draft picks, but at least a conditional is coming back.

Compare this with the Gonchar trade, where Boston gave up a young top-6 defenceman. If you ask me, that's a way higher price.

Overall, a good trade for the Leafs.
anibanging
Italian
Level: 35

Posts: 152/246
EXP: 260628
For next: 19310

Since: 5.3.02

Since last post: 1964 days
Last activity: 10 days
#11 Posted on 4.3.04 1146.48
Reposted on: 4.3.11 1146.50
    Originally posted by Blanket Jackson
    It's official: they're gunning for it this year or bust.

    They got the thing they needed the absolute most, which was to bolster their blue line, which means more at in the playoffs than the 38 scoring forwards they have.

    I guess it's one of things where they figured going for another gunner at the trade deadline wasn't going to help them this year. Thank God it only took them 4 years to figure THAT out.




It may work by removing a weaker link from the blueline, but really Toronto needed a defensive defenceman. Leetch is much more of a offensive star.
JoshMann
Andouille
Level: 87

Posts: 454/2159
EXP: 6297632
For next: 95167

Since: 17.11.03
From: Tallahassee, FL

Since last post: 2240 days
Last activity: 2237 days
AIM:  
Y!:
#12 Posted on 4.3.04 1234.05
Reposted on: 4.3.11 1234.15
    Originally posted by anibanging
      Originally posted by Blanket Jackson
      It's official: they're gunning for it this year or bust.

      They got the thing they needed the absolute most, which was to bolster their blue line, which means more at in the playoffs than the 38 scoring forwards they have.

      I guess it's one of things where they figured going for another gunner at the trade deadline wasn't going to help them this year. Thank God it only took them 4 years to figure THAT out.




    It may work by removing a weaker link from the blueline, but really Toronto needed a defensive defenceman. Leetch is much more of a offensive star.


True, but what they have now is two D's who can QB the power play (and he's better at it than Tomas "I'm Gonna Shoot This...Uh, No I'm Not" Kaberle probably).

Toronto made a half-hearted run at Hatcher in the off-season, but it didn't take. At the very least, Leetch also has leadership qualities and can still hit someone if necessary. But really, Toronto needs every advantage they can get right now if they want to get home ice over Ottawa, who probably will beat them if Game 7 is in Corel. Also, they're two points behind Phily and Tampa right now, and every game at the ACC helps.
Kain
Cotto
Level: 15

Posts: 24/40
EXP: 15710
For next: 674

Since: 9.2.04
From: Earth

Since last post: 3827 days
Last activity: 3826 days
#13 Posted on 4.3.04 2050.49
Reposted on: 4.3.11 2050.59
I found this news to be disappointing.
FMW
Salami
Level: 32

Posts: 174/202
EXP: 195220
For next: 11224

Since: 3.1.02
From: Niagara Falls ONT. Canada

Since last post: 3214 days
Last activity: 2850 days
#14 Posted on 4.3.04 2127.20
Reposted on: 4.3.11 2128.56
Leafs 6-Islanders 2

Leetch: 3 Assists

Yep, that sure was a rookie mistake from ol' JFergy Jr.
tarnish
Frankfurter
Level: 60

Posts: 396/859
EXP: 1704368
For next: 68420

Since: 13.2.02
From: Back in the Heart of Hali

Since last post: 449 days
Last activity: 8 days
AIM:  
Y!:
#15 Posted on 5.3.04 1438.10
Reposted on: 5.3.11 1438.51
    Originally posted by anibanging
    It may work by removing a weaker link from the blueline, but really Toronto needed a defensive defenceman. Leetch is much more of a offensive star.


I totally disagree. Toronto was much smarter to go for Leetch.

PLAYERTEAMPOSGPGAP+/-PIMPPSHGWGTSS%TOI/gSFT/gFO%
SERGEI GONCHARBOSD5784250-204650011326.127:5328.90.0
BRIAN LEETCHTORD58132639-42441101667.826:1328.60.0


For an "old guy" Leetch still gets a lot of ice time. And I know that both played on teams that were lacking defensively, but Leetch is -4 and Gonchar -20 despite Gonchar having 11 more points. That's an overall swing of -27.

Toronto is as close as they have been in my lifetime to having a legitimately GREAT team. The only question is goaltending, which is not so much about "is Belfour good enough?" because he is, but more, "what happens if Belfour gets hurt?"

Brian Leetch may be known as a guy who has been near the top of the points stats for defensemen for 10 years, but he's also a very solid defensive player, something Gonchar is not (Gonchar is the weakest guy I've ever seen in front of the net; he'd be better off serving them drinks).

Leetch is also a leader in the defensive end. Toronto has plenty of leaders, but most of them are up front. Having a QB in your own zone is vital, especially if you've got a goalie you don't trust between the pipes (and don't even try to tell me the Leaf players trust Kidd or Tellqvist). That leadership and experience will go a long way towards Toronto surviving if Belfour goes down for a couple of games.

Good offense, solid defense, leadership, a short-term contract, and a manageable salary vs. a whole lot of offense, no defense, and a salary that's only going to get bigger. Boston might end up regretting Gonchar, Toronto won't regret Leetch.

(edited by tarnish on 5.3.04 1638)
anibanging
Italian
Level: 35

Posts: 154/246
EXP: 260628
For next: 19310

Since: 5.3.02

Since last post: 1964 days
Last activity: 10 days
#16 Posted on 5.3.04 1620.17
Reposted on: 5.3.11 1620.27
For the record I think Gonchar would have been an even worse move. So far Leech looks good and everyone on the team seems to enjoy playing with him, so I'm hoping everything turns out alright and we win the cup this year. I was just saying a nice solid defencemen would have been a good addition.
Net Hack Slasher
Banger
Level: 100

Posts: 2019/2805
EXP: 10098347
For next: 256085

Since: 6.1.02
From: Outer reaches of your mind

Since last post: 3537 days
Last activity: 1957 days
#17 Posted on 7.3.04 0447.08
Reposted on: 7.3.11 0447.26
I didn't watch Saturday's game so can't really comment on the last Leaf game but seeing that they lost 5-1 I'm sure there wasn't much positives.

But I did watch Thursdays game and Leetch looked fantastic, such a great puck controller from the blue line. He and McCabe seem to really click well without any practice at all... So you know what that says kids, Practice is overrated especially Quinn style LoL. Or maybe they just need good luck charm Trish Stratus to do special guest commentary for every game like she did on Thursday's game
Ta2grrl69
Bauerwurst
Level: 24

Posts: 74/111
EXP: 73056
For next: 5070

Since: 25.12.03
From: "Holly"wood

Since last post: 3338 days
Last activity: 3338 days
#18 Posted on 8.3.04 0005.27
Reposted on: 8.3.11 0006.04
I believe that although it was a pretty horrific loss to a relatively crappy team...Leetch still managed to get in on the only Toronto goal...

Cheers,

Erin
Big Bad
Scrapple
Level: 145

Posts: 2860/6720
EXP: 37456762
For next: 147410

Since: 4.1.02
From: Dorchester, Ontario

Since last post: 1 day
Last activity: 12 hours
#19 Posted on 9.3.04 0045.42
Reposted on: 9.3.11 0047.18
I've given up on any Leafs games against Buffalo, because no matter how good or bad either team is, Buffalo ALWAYS beats the Leafs. It's inexplicable.
ALL ORIGINAL POSTS IN THIS THREAD ARE NOW AVAILABLE
Thread ahead: Petr Nedved to Oilers
Next thread: Trade dead line is tommorow
Previous thread: Gonchar dealt to Bruins
(263 newer) Next thread | Previous thread
Related threads: Leafs 5, Senators 4 - Leafs are owning it. - He loves his leafs! - More...
The 7 - Hockey - Leetch to the LeafsRegister and log in to post!

The W™ message board - 7 year recycle

ZimBoard
©2001-2014 Brothers Zim
This old hunk of junk rendered your page in 0.167 seconds.