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#1 Posted on 5.2.04 0946.25
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I know Oakland needs a QB, but this is such an Al Davis pick that it's not even funny.

http://www.usatoday.com/ sports/football/nfl/2004- 02-05-clarett-nfl-draft_x.htm

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#2 Posted on 5.2.04 1023.24
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Is there any reason that 1) He couldn't go play in the CFL? and 2) He couldn't just wait another damn year?

If the NFL loses the appeal, I think it'd be great if nobody drafted him.

-Jag
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#3 Posted on 5.2.04 1025.15
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    On Thursday, Scheindlin said the league's justifications for its rule "boil down to the same basic concern: younger players are not physically or mentally ready to play in the NFL."

    Yet, the judge said, less restrictive alternatives are available, such as testing each player's physical and psychological maturity.

    "Age is obviously a poor proxy for NFL-readiness, as is restriction based solely on height or weight," she said.

Age is definitely a barometer for NFL-readiness, at least on the lower end. You can't tell me an 18 year old *boy* would be able to jump in and compete w/ guys who have had at least a couple years of college experience, let alone veterans in the league. They're just not ready, physically or mentally. If a team were to draft someone that young, there would be *at least* 2-3 years before they could realistically compete for a starting job. Would teams be willing to wait that long, especially when there would be players coming out of college who could step in right away?
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#4 Posted on 5.2.04 1026.02
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I can't think of any person less deserving of this judgment...
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#5 Posted on 5.2.04 1031.36
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The sad part is that a number of scouts have said off the record that he is a 3rd round pick and if his 40 time is slow he could drop. It is not outside the realm of possibility that he could go undrafted.
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#6 Posted on 5.2.04 1036.50
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    Originally posted by Jaguar
    I think it'd be great if nobody drafted him.

    -Jag


Possible, but not likely...there's been worse cases than Clarett who have been drafted (see also Phillips, Lawrence and Collins, Cecil) who are of an equal talent level.

(edited by Blanket Jackson on 5.2.04 1138)
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#7 Posted on 5.2.04 1130.47
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As a Buckeye, I *really* hope Clarett jumps all over this. Of course, the NFL is going to appeal, which will likely drag this out through the draft. But I don't want Clarett anywhere NEAR the 'Shoe ever again.

I'm of the opinion that if a "student-athlete" doesn't want to be at a school (and Clarett certainly doesn't), then the school should let him do as he pleases. As it stands now, if he loses that appeal, what's the worse that happens? He goes back to the Buckeyes, plays out the year, and then goes in the draft. It's really a win-win for HIM, but the TEAM suffers. Of course, he doesn't care about any of that, and if he DOES make it into the draft, I hope teams pay attention to that.
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#8 Posted on 5.2.04 1443.54
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    Originally posted by Jaguar
    Is there any reason that 1) He couldn't go play in the CFL? and 2) He couldn't just wait another damn year?

    If the NFL loses the appeal, I think it'd be great if nobody drafted him.

    -Jag


As far as 1), they already passed on him earlier this fall. As for 2), he may yet return to the Buckeyes, but his benefactor is currently being investigated by the NCAA. I'll bet he's gone from college.
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#9 Posted on 5.2.04 1605.43
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    Originally posted by Blanket Jackson
    Possible, but not likely...there's been worse cases than Clarett who have been drafted (see also Phillips, Lawrence and Collins, Cecil) who are of an equal talent level.

    (edited by Blanket Jackson on 5.2.04 1138)


Yes, but Phillips had something that Clarett doesnt. Talent. Collins was one of those players that would be good, IF everything was in place for him. I just dont see Clarett doing very well in the NFL.

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#10 Posted on 5.2.04 1739.38
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    Originally posted by StaggerLee
      Originally posted by Blanket Jackson
      Possible, but not likely...there's been worse cases than Clarett who have been drafted (see also Phillips, Lawrence and Collins, Cecil) who are of an equal talent level.

      (edited by Blanket Jackson on 5.2.04 1138)


    Yes, but Phillips had something that Clarett doesnt. Talent. Collins was one of those players that would be good, IF everything was in place for him. I just dont see Clarett doing very well in the NFL.




As a Buckeye fan I would also be glad to see him go. But no talent? He had more rushing yards as a freshman than any Buckeye in history. Are Archie Griffin and Eddie George void of talent also? He had 18 touchdowns and 1200 plus yards in eleven games, in the Big freakin Ten. While hurt in some games. The guy has talent, at least as much as Phillips. His last year in high school he had 3000 yards and 40 touchdowns. Without talent apparently. His 40 time has never been good, but it doesn't show on the field. He has talent. I can't wait to see him go away though.
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#11 Posted on 5.2.04 1928.50
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    Originally posted by mskj
      Originally posted by StaggerLee
        Originally posted by Blanket Jackson
        Possible, but not likely...there's been worse cases than Clarett who have been drafted (see also Phillips, Lawrence and Collins, Cecil) who are of an equal talent level.

        (edited by Blanket Jackson on 5.2.04 1138)


      Yes, but Phillips had something that Clarett doesnt. Talent. Collins was one of those players that would be good, IF everything was in place for him. I just dont see Clarett doing very well in the NFL.




    As a Buckeye fan I would also be glad to see him go. But no talent? He had more rushing yards as a freshman than any Buckeye in history. Are Archie Griffin and Eddie George void of talent also? He had 18 touchdowns and 1200 plus yards in eleven games, in the Big freakin Ten. While hurt in some games. The guy has talent, at least as much as Phillips. His last year in high school he had 3000 yards and 40 touchdowns. Without talent apparently. His 40 time has never been good, but it doesn't show on the field. He has talent. I can't wait to see him go away though.


And that is why there is no guarantee that he will be a superstar. You mentioned two players that were great in college. One was able to convert that talent to teh pros and the other was not.
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#12 Posted on 5.2.04 2217.47
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Spaceman Spiff said: ...Yet, the judge said, less restrictive alternatives are available, such as testing each player's physical and psychological maturity...

How does one go about testing a person's physical and psychological maturity? I've heard of using chronological versus mental age sorts of measures for younger kids, but nowhere in those manuals did it ever say anything about being a screening tool for NFL eligibility. And if that's the case, what kind of maturity has Clarett shown that has demonstrated his readiness for the NFL? Breach of scholarship, filing a false police report, multiple (and some more alleged) breaches of NCAA violations...yup, I'd call that psychological maturity.

However...
LaVar Arrington said: "Because of the way he's [Clarett] done all these things, some people here see it as disrespectful...I'm sure guys are going to break his tail, try to break him in...If he can make it that rookie year without being assassinated, I think he'll be all right." (Click Here (sports.espn.go.com)

Between that type of comment and his off-field baggage, is there really an NFL team that would take a chance on him? And if he doesn't get drafted, does that prompt another round of lawsuits for some sort of age discrimination on part of the NFL?

(edited by StegDutchie on 5.2.04 2320 because spelling counts towards maturity too)

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#13 Posted on 6.2.04 1748.04
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Len Pasquarelli is saying that it looks like there is no way the NFL is going to be able to stop him and other underclassmen from entering the draft this yearClick Here (sports.espn.go.com). It seems if he played one more year in college he would be a higher pick and make more money off the bat.

Hopefully, this is just a one year thing. Underclassmen and Highschool players going to the NBA have really hurt the level of play in the pro and college ranks.

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