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#61 Posted on 21.1.04 1044.28
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    Originally posted by BOSsportsfan34
    It looked to me that the Colts were getting away with holding too on many plays. Plus the colts had 4 penalties for 15 yds and the Pats 3 for 15 yds. The refs were at least calling it even for both teams, even though the colts got away with a delay of game penalty that wasn't called.

    EDIT: If we're going to talk about teams getting away with penalties, what about the one where Carolina got away with a roughing the passer penalty? That one pretty much knocked McNabb out of the game.


I didn't notice the Colts holding as much as the Pats. Mostly because on two seperate big 4th and long plays, the man Peyton ends up throwing to was pretty obviously held to prevent the play. But this isn't really a knock against the Pats, because they came in and played the game to the best of their ability. It's more a knock against the Refs for degrading the game come playoff time.

As for the McNabb hit? After the Harrison/Denver fiasco, if you have the ball, and you're on the ground but A) There are no defenders near you and B) The play has not been whistled dead, you are going to get hit. Favors had just gotten around his block, he did not see Mike Rucker touch McNabb's ankle, the play had not been whistled dead. It was just bad luck that McNabbs legs were in that position when Favors hit him. As soon as the announcers started bitching about the hit, I started yelling at my TV, because the play had not been whistled dead.

    Originally posted by BOSsportsfan34
    Manning is now something like 2-8 vs. teams where Belichick is either a head coach or a defensive coordinator. To say "I don't think he's going to let anybody pull that on him again" is somewhat of an incorrect statement, as Belickick has seemed to design defenses to do just that to Manning over and over.


And before this year Manning had never won a playoff game. I'm not saying anything bad about Belichick, but I just see Peyton getting better and better, and I don't think he'll let himself get pysched out like that again.

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#62 Posted on 21.1.04 1050.19
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    Originally posted by Jaguar
    As for the McNabb hit? After the Harrison/Denver fiasco, if you have the ball, and you're on the ground but A) There are no defenders near you and B) The play has not been whistled dead, you are going to get hit. Favors had just gotten around his block, he did not see Mike Rucker touch McNabb's ankle, the play had not been whistled dead. It was just bad luck that McNabbs legs were in that position when Favors hit him. As soon as the announcers started bitching about the hit, I started yelling at my TV, because the play had not been whistled dead.


With the way that the NFL offices coddle the QBs and fine anyone who breathes on them too hard, I'm surprised that Favors hasn't gotten fined anyway. The play hadn't been whistled dead, so Favors had every reason to rush in and officially down McNabb... but McNabb was flat on his ass with his legs in the air like a flipped-over bug, pretty much helpless at the time of the hit. A two-hand touch would've ended the play; a rib-crunching bull rush is textbook "unnecessary roughness" in that situation.
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#63 Posted on 21.1.04 1225.57
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    Originally posted by vsp
      Originally posted by Jaguar
      As for the McNabb hit? After the Harrison/Denver fiasco, if you have the ball, and you're on the ground but A) There are no defenders near you and B) The play has not been whistled dead, you are going to get hit. Favors had just gotten around his block, he did not see Mike Rucker touch McNabb's ankle, the play had not been whistled dead. It was just bad luck that McNabbs legs were in that position when Favors hit him. As soon as the announcers started bitching about the hit, I started yelling at my TV, because the play had not been whistled dead.


    With the way that the NFL offices coddle the QBs and fine anyone who breathes on them too hard, I'm surprised that Favors hasn't gotten fined anyway. The play hadn't been whistled dead, so Favors had every reason to rush in and officially down McNabb... but McNabb was flat on his ass with his legs in the air like a flipped-over bug, pretty much helpless at the time of the hit. A two-hand touch would've ended the play; a rib-crunching bull rush is textbook "unnecessary roughness" in that situation.



I make absolutely no secret of where my loyalties lie but I really dont see that as unnecessary roughness. It's our lines job to protect McNabb and they failed, both on that play and throughout the playoffs.

You can't expect players to back off when they see a guy on the ground when they're as fired up as they will be for a championship game. The idea probably wouldn't even enter their head until everyone had packed up and gone home.

Favors wouldn't have seen McNabb and thought 'MUST KILL.... DEFENCELESS....QB' he would have just seen the oppositions star player, with the ball, and decided to drill him as hard as he could.

As for the Manning/McNabb/Brady who's great who isn't stuff. Brady, in my opinion isn't a guy who can turn games in your favour consistently like McNabb and Manning. In his favour though he doesmake less mistakes than the other 2.

My argument against him would simply be that he wouldn't win many games with the Colts or the Eagles D's to back him up because he'd find himself chasing games and having to move away from his short passing game, something I don't think he has proven himself able to do.

Comparisons of winning records/Superbowl wins etc. are as I've stated before utterly pointless for the simple reason that if you put any of those guys in the Cards team then not one of thems gonna get himself a ring.

I don't doubt that part of Marino wishes he could trade in his stats for a nice shiny ring, but what his numbers show is that the blame for the Fins not getting the job done in his career can not be put at his door.

One last time. Centres do not win superbowls. Tight ends do not win Superbowls. Wide Receivers do not win superbowls. Linebackers do not win superbowls. Running backs do not win superbowls. And QUARTERBACKS DO NOT WIN SUPERBOWLS.

Teams do, period. And no individual deserves sole credit for a Superbowl regardless of how well they have played.

Course anyone who doesn't believe that is more than welcome to try calling Belichik and suggest he, Ty Law et al take the night of a week Sunday so Tom can strut his funky stuff, but I doubt he'll be up for it.
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#64 Posted on 21.1.04 1235.55
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Comparing Brady to Bledsoe isn't a fair comparison.
Comparing Brady to Dilfer isn't a fair comparison.
Comparing Brady to Hostetler isn't a fair comparison.

The problem is that we as fans won't know who to properly compare Brady to until the end of the Super Bowl. If he wins, he deserves to be listed among the elite in the league. If he loses, he deserves to be listed among the "good but not great" in the league.

As far as saying that Bledsoe can't function in a 3-step pass system is dead on the money. But it's not because Drew can't read the defense. It's because in order to be effective, he needs those 5 and 8 steps to prepare his arm to air out the ball. Bledsoe is at his best when he's throwing 20 and 30 yard passes, not tossing to the crossing receiver just beyond the line of scrimmage. Brady can get away with 3-step drops for two reasons. One, he doesn't have the arm of Bledsoe. And two, he scrambles much better than Bledsoe. That's not saying much about Brady's scrambling ability, but what ability he does have is at the very least functional in his style of quarterbacking.
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#65 Posted on 21.1.04 1747.59
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    Originally posted by dMr
    My argument against him would simply be that he wouldn't win many games with the Colts or the Eagles D's to back him up because he'd find himself chasing games and having to move away from his short passing game, something I don't think he has proven himself able to do.


As much as I hate the Eagles, comparing their D to Indy's is pretty eroneous. The D is the reason they went to 3 straight NFC title games, not McNabb, IMO.
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#66 Posted on 21.1.04 1820.38
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    Originally posted by King Of Crap
      Originally posted by dMr
      My argument against him would simply be that he wouldn't win many games with the Colts or the Eagles D's to back him up because he'd find himself chasing games and having to move away from his short passing game, something I don't think he has proven himself able to do.


    As much as I hate the Eagles, comparing their D to Indy's is pretty eroneous. The D is the reason they went to 3 straight NFC title games, not McNabb, IMO.


Our D up until this year were pretty dandy and certainly stepped up in 2002 when McNabb was out but I never felt they had the ability to win games or hold narrow leads consistently as say the Pats, Ravens and Bucs have been able to do in recent years.

This year we've had been as effective against runs as a tub of laxatives and, thanks to injuries, our secondary had more holes than..... well, I want to say Ron Jeremies but one dodgy metaphor's enough I reckon.

That still probably makes us better than the Colts, but not much.
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