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#1 Posted on 29.12.03 1104.32
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It has been an eventful year, so here's the question. What are the top news stories for the past year? Or maybe better put; "When historians look back what will they think is (are) the most significant event(s) of 2003?"
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#2 Posted on 29.12.03 1141.39
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In no particular order

- Iraqi regime toppled/Saddam Hussein captured

- The left regains prominence in Democratic Party(historians will view this like we view McGovern)

- Gray Davis recalled, replaced with Ah-nuld(more because a governor was, in fact, recalled then Arnold actually winning)

- Libya gives up its WMDs

- The rise of the Blog

(edited by Grimis on 29.12.03 1242)
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#3 Posted on 29.12.03 1311.03
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Yeah for Madonna! Making girl on girl action ok for the masses.
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#4 Posted on 29.12.03 1407.31
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    Originally posted by Grimis
    In no particular order

    - Iraqi regime toppled/Saddam Hussein captured

    - The left regains prominence in Democratic Party(historians will view this like we view McGovern)

    - Gray Davis recalled, replaced with Ah-nuld(more because a governor was, in fact, recalled then Arnold actually winning)

    - Libya gives up its WMDs

    - The rise of the Blog

    (edited by Grimis on 29.12.03 1242)



I pretty much agree, with two exceptions - the Left taking over the Democratic party (hasn't come close to happening yet), and the Rise of the Blog (which would make a great sub-title for Terminator 4)
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#5 Posted on 29.12.03 1533.17
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In no order at all

Like Grimis, the rise of the Blog - a year ago, I was reading 1 or 2, now it's 5 or 6. There's some influence there.

Obviously, the war in Iraq, the removal of Saddam and the issues (both negative and positive) since.

The Episcopal church consecrating a homosexual Bishop

Carol Mosley-Braun running for President (sorry, this one was from Terry McAuliffe !)

Howard Dean leaping away from the field in the Democratic run for the nomination.

Dubya hate from the left

Cubs and Red Sox BOTH choking when they had the Series MADE.


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#6 Posted on 29.12.03 1709.20
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Considering Libya was nowhere close to having WMD's, I don't see how "giving them up" could be news.

And beating the Red Sox never gets old.

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#7 Posted on 29.12.03 1815.53
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    Originally posted by DrDirt
    It has been an eventful year, so here's the question. What are the top news stories for the past year? Or maybe better put; "When historians look back what will they think is (are) the most significant event(s) of 2003?"
I defer to the AP (because I'm lazy):

1. U.S.-led invasion and occupation of Iraq (280 of 287 first place votes)
2. Columbia space shuttle disaster
3. California recall election
4. SARS outbreak
5. Northeast blackout
6. Improving economy
7. California wildfires
8. Bush's tax cut
9. Elizabeth Smart case
10. Democratic presidential race
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#8 Posted on 29.12.03 1932.41
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Elizabeth Smart made the list, but no Laci Peterson case?
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#9 Posted on 30.12.03 0601.29
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I didn' think Bush's tax cut was a major story at all....
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#10 Posted on 30.12.03 1254.05
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    Originally posted by Grimis
    I didn' think Bush's tax cut was a major story at all....


Except in the context of a half trillon dollar debt, the debt is the story.

Dean's emergnce is a news story, but in spite of what many think, he is not a liberal.

I would add the uptick in the stock market indices.
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#11 Posted on 30.12.03 1301.13
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    Originally posted by DrDirt
    Except in the context of a half trillon dollar debt, the debt is the story.
Right. But that's excessive spending, not the tax cut
    Originally posted by DrDirt
    Dean's emergnce is a news story, but in spite of what many think, he is not a liberal.
Right; he's a left-wing nut.
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#12 Posted on 31.12.03 0829.14
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    Originally posted by Grimis
      Originally posted by DrDirt
      Except in the context of a half trillon dollar debt, the debt is the story.
    Right. But that's excessive spending, not the tax cut
      Originally posted by DrDirt
      Dean's emergnce is a news story, but in spite of what many think, he is not a liberal.
    Right; he's a left-wing nut.


I agree that the tax cut didn't have a large impact on the deficit. The reason it's not a story to me is that it really was nothing more than grandstanding and had little impact on anything. The debt is further proof we live in an alternate universe where Clinton (Dem) was more fiscally conservative than Bush (Rep).

As far as Dean goes Grimis, I believe I am roughly twice your age. When I was your age, Dean would have been a moderate. He may say some stupid things and you may think he is a "nut", but he just isn't left-wing.
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#13 Posted on 31.12.03 1237.13
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    Originally posted by the Doc

    As far as Dean goes Grimis, I believe I am roughly twice your age. When I was your age, Dean would have been a moderate. He may say some stupid things and you may think he is a "nut", but he just isn't left-wing.


I think he's a left-winger, but playing the part of the moderate, much like his hero, Slick Willie.

Dean's major supporters are all left wingers, he supports many left-wing and socialist platforms: Universal Health Care, Affirmative Action, Hate Crime stuff (in case the regular laws aren't enough), he's all about moving the homosexual as a "special" group with "special" rights agenda along, He's up for increased minimum pay, which would cause many jobs to be lost (but that's OK, says the lefties, because then, they'll be dependent on the government and US, the lefties, for their sustanance).

Not to mention his silly positions on Abortion, Native Americans, and so much else.

Lefty Dean is way left. I am often thankful it's him the Dems are gonna run. The American people will never buy it. Compared to him, Al Gore is a facist.
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#14 Posted on 31.12.03 1319.16
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    Originally posted by AWArulz
    I think he's a left-winger, but playing the part of the moderate, much like his hero, Slick Willie.

    Dean's major supporters are all left wingers, he supports many left-wing and socialist platforms: Universal Health Care, Affirmative Action, Hate Crime stuff (in case the regular laws aren't enough), he's all about moving the homosexual as a "special" group with "special" rights agenda along, He's up for increased minimum pay, which would cause many jobs to be lost (but that's OK, says the lefties, because then, they'll be dependent on the government and US, the lefties, for their sustanance).

    Not to mention his silly positions on Abortion, Native Americans, and so much else.

    Lefty Dean is way left. I am often thankful it's him the Dems are gonna run. The American people will never buy it. Compared to him, Al Gore is a facist.


I don't see how Dean's playing the part of the moderate. If anything, right now he's a moderate in left-wingers' clothes. And "Slick Willie" was everything but a lefty.

Dean's getting support from the Left because the Left has no one else (unless Nadar runs again, which apparently might happen - really bad idea). Dean's also been pretty vocal against the war, which has been a major focus for much of the Left lately (not JUST the Left, mind you).

But I agree with DrDirt - he ain't a lefty. The question is will he keep his position after he wins the nomination, or will he do the "Al Gore shuffle to the right" after the primary. Should be interesting....

Against Bush in November, right now it's 50-50. A lot can happen in 11 months.
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#15 Posted on 1.1.04 1422.15
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    Originally posted by Leroy
      Originally posted by AWArulz
      I think he's a left-winger, but playing the part of the moderate, much like his hero, Slick Willie.

      Dean's major supporters are all left wingers, he supports many left-wing and socialist platforms: Universal Health Care, Affirmative Action, Hate Crime stuff (in case the regular laws aren't enough), he's all about moving the homosexual as a "special" group with "special" rights agenda along, He's up for increased minimum pay, which would cause many jobs to be lost (but that's OK, says the lefties, because then, they'll be dependent on the government and US, the lefties, for their sustanance).

      Not to mention his silly positions on Abortion, Native Americans, and so much else.

      Lefty Dean is way left. I am often thankful it's him the Dems are gonna run. The American people will never buy it. Compared to him, Al Gore is a facist.


    I don't see how Dean's playing the part of the moderate. If anything, right now he's a moderate in left-wingers' clothes. And "Slick Willie" was everything but a lefty.

    Dean's getting support from the Left because the Left has no one else (unless Nadar runs again, which apparently might happen - really bad idea). Dean's also been pretty vocal against the war, which has been a major focus for much of the Left lately (not JUST the Left, mind you).

    But I agree with DrDirt - he ain't a lefty. The question is will he keep his position after he wins the nomination, or will he do the "Al Gore shuffle to the right" after the primary. Should be interesting....

    Against Bush in November, right now it's 50-50. A lot can happen in 11 months.


Leroy, unfortunately he will run to the center. Personally, IMO for Dean to win, I think he should stay on message. If he runs to the center, he becomes Bush light. I haven't decided if I support him or not, but his message is resonating much better than the Rep's thought it would.
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#16 Posted on 2.1.04 0038.56
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Much of this "Dean is a far left wing liberal" hype is simply an illusion. I guarantee you that if he supported the war on Iraq, we'd all be viewing him much differently..more like a Gore or Clinton.

But the right wing machine took his anti-war on Iraq stance and ran with it to marginalize Dean as something he's not. I don't blame them. And they'll take it in '04 because of that.
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#17 Posted on 2.1.04 0223.53
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What about the first case of mad cow disease in the US? That happened in 2003. C'mon that's HUGE news!
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#18 Posted on 2.1.04 1853.33
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    Originally posted by ParagonOfVirtue
    Much of this "Dean is a far left wing liberal" hype is simply an illusion. I guarantee you that if he supported the war on Iraq, we'd all be viewing him much differently..more like a Gore or Clinton.

    But the right wing machine took his anti-war on Iraq stance and ran with it to marginalize Dean as something he's not. I don't blame them. And they'll take it in '04 because of that.


That marginalization of Dean hasn't really worked, though - even when it's done by the more conservative members of the Democratic party. As DrDirt stated, people seem to be waiting to see if he really means what he says, or if it an illusion. I guess we'll see...

Incidentally, I have heard some rumblings that the Gore endorsement of Dean was partly done because Gore regrets that shift to the right he did during the last election.

I guess we'll see....
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#19 Posted on 3.1.04 1001.28
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    Originally posted by Leroy
    Incidentally, I have heard some rumblings that the Gore endorsement of Dean was partly done because Gore regrets that shift to the right he did during the last election.
And because Gore is running for President in 2008. By endorsing Dean, Gore wants to:

1. Move back to the left.

2. Stick a finger in the eye of the Clintons(who are backing Clark)

3. Put himself in a position to inherit the Dean movement, organization, fundraising apparatus, etc, after the General Election.

4. Be in good shape when he challenges the HMS Hillary for the Democratic nomination in 2008.
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#20 Posted on 3.1.04 1436.53
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"Right" or "Left" wing is a misnomer that confuses a lot of stuff. There's at least three, maybe four, "right-left" spectrums in American politics, and even those are not that black and white. Dean (and everyone else) is right on some and left on some. The only things Dean is even slightly to the left of mainstream Democratic opinion on is Iraq. His appeal is similar to John McCain's - having a common sense platform that doesn't rely on placing youself somewhere along the "left-right" spectrum.

There's certainly an ultra-dove/pacifist wing in the Democratic party, but what Dean is tapping into isn't the frustration among Democrats about invading Iraq - it's the that Jr. is lying about it and exploiting the post 9/11 atmosphere for cold political reasons, and a lot of Democrats are too scared to stand up and say so. It doesn't rely on his placing himself the furthest to the left on Iraq - he would have gotten the same responce if he had attacked Bush just as forcefully from the right (i.e., we need more troops in the Middle East), as long as he would have still tapped into that same sence of Bush as a lier, hypocrite, and willing go to the most disgusting depths when it comes to lying to and manipulating the American people to benefit his daddy's rich buddies.

You know how Clinton-haters insist "it wasn't the blowjob, it was the lying about it?" It's the same with Jr., except there's a lot less investigations about a lot more significant lies. That's what Dean tapped into, not anything having to do with the right/left spectrum on any issue. What the meia has done is decide "the more you criticize Bush, the more left wing you are" without even looking at things like, say, policy. The media is so fucking lazy in this country sometimes it's disgusting.
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