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#21 Posted on 23.12.03 0915.49
Reposted on: 23.12.10 0916.14
    Originally posted by AWArulz
      Originally posted by Big Bad
      Person of the century, if you're going by overall influence, should've been Gavrilo Princip.


    Princip was a punk, like all other assasins. Do you think he was really more influential than, say, Oswald. WW Uno would have eventually kicked off anyway. The Kaiser was anxious for a visit to France, the Balkens, as always, were just wishing for a war and there was mucho tension.

    The person with the most influence in the 20th century (THIS is the 21st, BTW) is probably Ford for the assembly line or the Wright Bros for Flight or maybe Lenin/Trotsky/Stalin for Communism.

    (edited by AWArulz on 23.12.03 0929)


AWA is right, WWI was going to happen sooner or later with all the mutual aid pacts etc., in place and the Kaiser's wish to out Britain Britain. Besides the peole you listed I might add Jack Kilby and the other gentleman who gave us the technology to usher in the computer age.

And no one is dissing the American or British soldiers. We all owe alot to them but this was a cop out feel good pick. The one things this points out is the fallacy of the media as a shill for the left and proves they are in business to make money more than espouses a political philosphy.

(edited by DrDirt on 23.12.03 0917)
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#22 Posted on 23.12.03 0942.53
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    Originally posted by DrDirt
    AWA is right, WWI was going to happen sooner or later with all the mutual aid pacts etc., in place and the Kaiser's wish to out Britain Britain.
That's all well and good, but to say Princip was not influential because it was going to happen is like saying Lincoln was not influential because the Civil War was going to happen anyway. It would have, but the influence was there.

As far as the most influential people of the 20th century; Wright Brothers, Bill Gates, Lenin, Allen Du Mont(television pioneer)...
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#23 Posted on 23.12.03 1344.30
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    Originally posted by Grimis
      Originally posted by DrDirt
      AWA is right, WWI was going to happen sooner or later with all the mutual aid pacts etc., in place and the Kaiser's wish to out Britain Britain.
    That's all well and good, but to say Princip was not influential because it was going to happen is like saying Lincoln was not influential because the Civil War was going to happen anyway. It would have, but the influence was there.

    As far as the most influential people of the 20th century; Wright Brothers, Bill Gates, Lenin, Allen Du Mont(television pioneer)...


Not saying he wasn't important but not that important. Hell, if we want to select a group for most influential, how about the idiots who dreamt up the utterly draconian peace treaty after WWI and helped pave the way for national socialism and Hitler.
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#24 Posted on 23.12.03 1804.39
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    Originally posted by OlFuzzyBastard
    Well, they gave it to the planet Earth in 1988. Does that count?


Oh wow, your right!

What is the reason we care about this award thing again? I can't seem to remember.
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#25 Posted on 23.12.03 1920.16
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Of course the only real Time "Man of the Year" award that mattered is the online one they held and Mick Foley ran away with. Heh, last time they ever try that. :)
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#26 Posted on 23.12.03 2224.59
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I'm truly going to go off the beaten path with my choice. I dont' know the criteria and honestly I don't really care. I'm not voting for a politician on either side, or someone involved with this idiotic "war"

The one person story that really made me sit back and say WOW to was the Elizabeth Smart story, she's my person of the year... Missing for 9 months and to be found alive. What an amazing story of hope for anyone else who's experiencing such a awful ordeal.

Just checked "People who matter" from the Time Site Zed linked, and Elizabeth Smart is not even on the list! But Jessica Lynch IS... Gimmie a freakin Break!

(edited by Net Hack Slasher on 23.12.03 2326)
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#27 Posted on 25.12.03 0525.50
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    Originally posted by Big Bad

      A safe yet respectable pick, sure more commendable thzn a bunch of soccermom whistleblowers.


    What was wrong with this pick? Was speaking up against your company's massive, massive, MASSIVE fraud a bad thing?




But But, a fink is a bad thing!

I wouldn't do it, as long as those people are signing that dotted line on the pay stub everyweek. But I'm sure Viacom writes bigger checks then Worldcom. So I guess I should take my foot out my mouth, but I won't.
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#28 Posted on 26.12.03 1122.45
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    Originally posted by Net Hack Slasher
    I'm truly going to go off the beaten path with my choice. I dont' know the criteria and honestly I don't really care. I'm not voting for a politician on either side, or someone involved with this idiotic "war"

    The one person story that really made me sit back and say WOW to was the Elizabeth Smart story, she's my person of the year... Missing for 9 months and to be found alive. What an amazing story of hope for anyone else who's experiencing such a awful ordeal.

    Just checked "People who matter" from the Time Site Zed linked, and Elizabeth Smart is not even on the list! But Jessica Lynch IS... Gimmie a freakin Break!

    (edited by Net Hack Slasher on 23.12.03 2326)


What did Elizabeth Smart DO, other than live like a bum, with a couple of other bums for almost a year?
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#29 Posted on 26.12.03 1936.45
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    Originally posted by StaggerLee
      Originally posted by Net Hack Slasher
      I'm truly going to go off the beaten path with my choice. I dont' know the criteria and honestly I don't really care. I'm not voting for a politician on either side, or someone involved with this idiotic "war"

      The one person story that really made me sit back and say WOW to was the Elizabeth Smart story, she's my person of the year... Missing for 9 months and to be found alive. What an amazing story of hope for anyone else who's experiencing such a awful ordeal.

      Just checked "People who matter" from the Time Site Zed linked, and Elizabeth Smart is not even on the list! But Jessica Lynch IS... Gimmie a freakin Break!

      (edited by Net Hack Slasher on 23.12.03 2326)


    What did Elizabeth Smart DO, other than live like a bum, with a couple of other bums for almost a year?


Also Elizabeth Smart = Cash cow for her parents. Lynch fought in war and all that good stuff, whereas Smart.... well, just read what Maddox has to say about her: http://maddox.xmission.com/ c.cgi?u=elizabeth_smart

I realized that though I didn't endorse Lynch as person of the year, stating that she also didn't somewhat market and gain off her tragedy is hypocritical--so I will say that though she was in a horrible tragedy she did sell her story out to the public. However, Lynch is an adult an makes her own decision, once Smart got home, her parents couldn't wait to start cashing in on their daughter being kidnapped and raped.

(edited by Scott Summets on 26.12.03 2042)
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#30 Posted on 28.12.03 0358.05
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Not to sound too pissed-off or anything, but...

There've been British guys out there fighting and dying alongside your troops since day one. Where's their "Person Of The Year" award?
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#31 Posted on 28.12.03 0818.02
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    Originally posted by oldschoolhero
    Not to sound too pissed-off or anything, but...

    There've been British guys out there fighting and dying alongside your troops since day one. Where's their "Person Of The Year" award?
Have you written to TIME yet?

letters@time.com
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#32 Posted on 28.12.03 1925.24
Reposted on: 28.12.10 1926.31
By the by, here's what I wrote to Time.....

To the Editors of any well-known weekly news magazine.

Regarding your choice to name the American Soldier as your Person of the year, I offer my thanks. As a former soldier (2nd Infantry Division, 2nd MP Company), there's no doubt our brave fighting soldiers are the best in the world. And, unlike other people in well-known North American countries, I am not opposed to your use of "soldiers" to mean "all Armed forces members." Because all soldiers know that Marines, Sailors and Airmen are nothing but wimps anyway. I choose to read that when you mean soldiers, you mean Soldiers, the fighting 101st and the Fighting 4th and the Fighting 3rd and other brave units or the Army and Army National Guard. Because the Army is the only thing that matters.

But seriously. Soldiers are in the Army. Our Military Armed forces members in the Army (we still go first, mind you!), Navy, Marines and Air Force, as well as the Coast Guard, have done wonderful work and it would be best to acknowledge all of them, but not by a name traditionally applied to one group of military members. And for that matter, what of the other Coalition troops participating in a country of some interest in the middle eastern part of the world? How about British Troops? Aussies? Italians? Spaniards?

Ah, but that's too specific for you, at that news magazine of some name. Next time, when I chose to subscribe to a news magazine, I will take the three major ones, toss a dart and pick the one the dart hits, because it isn't important to get too specific.
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