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Scott Summets
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#41 Posted on 26.12.03 2014.35
Reposted on: 26.12.10 2015.17
    Originally posted by loose_cannon
      Originally posted by StaggerLee
      Any of the following could outplay Dave "I couldnt makeit in RHCP" Navarro



    You missed Slash and Yngwie Malmsteen, but good list


    (Edit) And I can't use the quote button properly...yet

    (edited by loose_cannon on 25.12.03 2126)


I still question anyone putting Guns and Roses on the list of Hair Metal bands. And PoorlyToldJoke, you said that STP (once again, a band that I do like, so I'm not even knocking them) sold out arena's and stadiums and only stopped because they broke up. Do you honestly think that Guns and Roses and Van Halen stopped selling out stadiums because they became unpopular.... it's because they too broke up.
However, I do agree with you that a spotfest can be shitty and pointless, a guy doing 20 Shooting Star Presses and topes doesn't equal 5 or 4 or 3 stars. But good spotfests can happen, and they can contain psychology, good selling, etc. Benoit vs Jericho in the ladder match from Royal Rumble 01 to an oldschool fan would very much be a spotfest, but it had enough other stuff going on in it to make it great, much like Eddy vs Rey at Halloween Havoc.
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#42 Posted on 27.12.03 0039.07
Reposted on: 27.12.10 0040.06
    Originally posted by Scott Summets
      Originally posted by loose_cannon
        Originally posted by StaggerLee
        Any of the following could outplay Dave "I couldnt makeit in RHCP" Navarro



      You missed Slash and Yngwie Malmsteen, but good list


      (Edit) And I can't use the quote button properly...yet

      (edited by loose_cannon on 25.12.03 2126)


    I still question anyone putting Guns and Roses on the list of Hair Metal bands. And PoorlyToldJoke, you said that STP (once again, a band that I do like, so I'm not even knocking them) sold out arena's and stadiums and only stopped because they broke up. Do you honestly think that Guns and Roses and Van Halen stopped selling out stadiums because they became unpopular.... it's because they too broke up.
    However, I do agree with you that a spotfest can be shitty and pointless, a guy doing 20 Shooting Star Presses and topes doesn't equal 5 or 4 or 3 stars. But good spotfests can happen, and they can contain psychology, good selling, etc. Benoit vs Jericho in the ladder match from Royal Rumble 01 to an oldschool fan would very much be a spotfest, but it had enough other stuff going on in it to make it great, much like Eddy vs Rey at Halloween Havoc.



Well, Van Halen stopped selling out arenas because yes, they sucked at the end. I don't care for any of their music, but that is me. I think any van halen fan would agree that Van Halen 3 was awful. We will see what happens if Sammy comes back. I would agree that Guns and Roses, it was completely because they broke up. But I'm not sure they would have survived. But that is just conjecture.

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#43 Posted on 27.12.03 0102.42
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Yeah, GNR didnt last long, they broke up, and Axl has his new band. Now if they could only attain the success that the Smiths did, they'd have it made.
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#44 Posted on 27.12.03 0726.25
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    Originally posted by StaggerLee
    Yeah, GNR didnt last long, they broke up, and Axl has his new band. Now if they could only attain the success that the Smiths did, they'd have it made.


Once again, because mainstream success is always the bar for what is good and what isn't. Butt Rock was pop music, and is judged by Pop music standards. I don't think you can judge say, The Ramones, by album sales. But Butt Rock, it had the MTV exposure, it had radio play. It was the pop music trend. All of it, washed away pretty quickly. Some bands grow in stature as time goes on. Most good bands do that. How many bands do you hear that are talking about their Warrant influence. Or say, their Ratt influence? Their Bon Jovi influence? I have seen a select few tout their Motley Crue influence.

Btw, Dave Navarro quit the RHCP when John Fruciante came back. Dave Navarro is not a funk guitarist. He is, a metal guitarist. Very well accomplished, very well respected. Still to this day does massive amounts of studio work. How many self respecting musicians as Yngwie to play on their albums? None.

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#45 Posted on 27.12.03 1308.46
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Frusciante came back after Dave left.
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#46 Posted on 27.12.03 1505.54
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    Originally posted by Scott Summets


    I still question anyone putting Guns and Roses on the list of Hair Metal bands.


http://en2.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hair_metal

It's all down to how you classify it. Hair Metal/Cock Rock/Glam Rock.

Certainly when they started I'd argue that Guns were a major part of the 80s hair scene along with Poison, Motley Crue, Ratt et al. And as they became more popular and the years went by their musical styles changed.
Remember, Axl and Izzy were massive Hanoi Rocks, Aerosmith, and Rolling Stones fans.

Bands cross boundaries, their styles change. I saw Skid Row a couple of months ago in England. I was expecting major Cock Rock. They were really heavy. I was surprised, I hadn't heard their new album.

Another example would be Metallica. Major thrash (or is it power or is it speed?) metallers before they embraced the ballard. Remember the "you sold out" screamings after the release of the black album and the softness of Load?
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#47 Posted on 27.12.03 1708.57
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PoorlyToldJoke said: Once again, because mainstream success is always the bar for what is good and what isn't. Butt Rock was pop music, and is judged by Pop music standards. I don't think you can judge say, The Ramones, by album sales. But Butt Rock, it had the MTV exposure, it had radio play. It was the pop music trend. All of it, washed away pretty quickly. Some bands grow in stature as time goes on. Most good bands do that. How many bands do you hear that are talking about their Warrant influence. Or say, their Ratt influence? Their Bon Jovi influence? I have seen a select few tout their Motley Crue influence.

Btw, Dave Navarro quit the RHCP when John Fruciante came back. Dave Navarro is not a funk guitarist. He is, a metal guitarist. Very well accomplished, very well respected. Still to this day does massive amounts of studio work. How many self respecting musicians as Yngwie to play on their albums? None.


Please make up your mind, you talk about how REM, U2, etc still sell records and tickets, then you say that Mainstream success doesnt determine if a band is any good. Which is it?

And, when you QUIT a band becuase they bring back another guitar player, you have been REPLACED. (ALSO KNOWN AS FIRED)

(edited by StaggerLee on 27.12.03 1511)
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#48 Posted on 27.12.03 2153.30
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I know this text is small, but read it: Dave Navarro left on his own to work on his project "Spread" (also he never fit their style) and John Frusciante returned afterward. These events were otherwise unrelated.
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#49 Posted on 28.12.03 2032.31
Reposted on: 28.12.10 2034.30
    Originally posted by PoorlyToldJoke
    How many self respecting musicians as Yngwie to play on their albums? None.


Derek Sherinian, for one...

... and Yngwie doesn't have to guest on anyone's albums or do studio work... he's successful (overseas, mostly) based on sales of albums with the name Yngwie Malmsteen on them, so why does he need to work on anyone else's stuff?



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