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PoorlyToldJoke
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#1 Posted on 20.12.03 0618.20
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I have an odd question. Why does the world need subjected to Scott Keiths views on movies, and Tv shows, and music? I liked his reviews to a point. There was a point where he signed a book deal, and thought he was a little too clever. Bill Maher and Dennis Miller annoy me because they laugh at their own jokes. The difference is, they are comedians. The self referential humor is annoying.

The fact of the matter is, in TNA reports, you would complain about X-division matches being spotfests, but you couldn't wait to heap snowflakes on some of the worst displays of acrobatics ever. The ROH show reviews were the same. If you are going to complain about spotfests, then why turn and give Ikuto Hidaka v. Amazing Red 4 and a half stars? Yeah, who cares if they didn't manage any long term selling or transitions. They flipped and flopped lots. Also, I am not a Rocky hater. But every match he's in seems to manage **** or more, even though it's pretty much the same kicky punchy crap unless he's in there with someone special.

That stuff is pretty minor when compared to some other things. I need a picture of you with Vulcan ears on. I know one exists. Just give it to me. Star trek, Friends, and Hair metal? Wow. I read your review of the Motley Crue DVD. Here's the thing with most of that hair metal... Most of the people involved have since realized it was crap. Vapid, vacant crap. There was never anything close to artistry involved. It was who could play the fastest, wear the most makeup, tease their hair the highest. Who could write the best song with "Girl as Car Metaphor".. Or the "Girl you don't know what it's like to be on the road" song... Or even better, the very strange need to refer to your love interest as "sister". Let me give you some fun advice. Go to the sunset strip sometime. It's awesome. You can go into starbucks and go.. "Hey! You used to be in Warrant! I want a Mocha Latte".. Or blockbuster and go "Man, you were in that band Ratt. You made those really crappy records.. No, I don't want to sign up for the rental club". That's the nice thing. It all died. The only people who are keeping it alive are the losers playing bars, or when you put 25 of these bands on a bill, they can manage to sell 2000 tickets to an arena hat holds 15,0000. Woo. God bless Janes Addiction and Nirvana for just burying all that crap. The only band to survive with anything intact was Bon Jovi. Just there was a day in 1992 or so, when all of that crap just dropped off the face of the earth.


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#2 Posted on 20.12.03 0950.32
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My humblest apologies for having opinions that differ from yours. In the future, please send me a list of things are acceptable for me to like so I can tailor my tastes to the proper way of thinking, ie. yours, instead of actually having individual thought.

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#4 Posted on 20.12.03 1242.32
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    Originally posted by PoorlyToldJoke
    God bless Janes Addiction and Nirvana for just burying all that crap.


Yeah, the early 90s rock trend that has since 'died' is so superior to the 80s rock trend that 'died', isn't it. How do you figure that?

The 'losers' playing the bars are the ones to respect the most, because all of the trappings of being a 'famous rock star' are gone and they're still there doing it.

I don't like 80s hair metal either (although there was lots of good stuff not associated with Ratt, Crue, etc) but saying 'who can play the fastest' had anything to do with any of them really makes me wonder if you've got a clue what you're knocking, if you've got a clue why hair metal dropped off the pop culture radar, and I'm wondering how you could say it 'died' when you acknowledge that the bands are still there and the fans are still showing up (albeit in smaller numbers than before).
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#5 Posted on 20.12.03 1335.31
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Regardless, Scott Keith, you ignored a valid point he raised. If you really do complain about certain matches being spotfests, then why give them 4 stars? I'm not complaining about giving spotfests that many stars, as I enjoy them as well, but if you complain about it being a spotfest, as if it's a negative thing, then you really shouldn't give it a high rating.
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#6 Posted on 20.12.03 1547.39
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    Originally posted by eviljonhunt81
    Regardless, Scott Keith, you ignored a valid point he raised. If you really do complain about certain matches being spotfests, then why give them 4 stars? I'm not complaining about giving spotfests that many stars, as I enjoy them as well, but if you complain about it being a spotfest, as if it's a negative thing, then you really shouldn't give it a high rating.


But what if it's a really good spotfest? A "the only thing that could've made this match better was a story" kind of thing? That, in itself, could get it a good rating but keep it out of the realm of "great", so to speak.

Of course, that's why I never really put a lot of stock in star ratings... my definition of "good" and "great" is going to be a lot different from other people's.
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#7 Posted on 20.12.03 1750.11
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    Originally posted by eviljonhunt81
    Regardless, Scott Keith, you ignored a valid point he raised. If you really do complain about certain matches being spotfests, then why give them 4 stars? I'm not complaining about giving spotfests that many stars, as I enjoy them as well, but if you complain about it being a spotfest, as if it's a negative thing, then you really shouldn't give it a high rating.


A spotfest is just as valid as a brawl, power match, scientific match, or any other type of wrestling match. Like with all things, there's good ones and bad ones.

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#8 Posted on 21.12.03 0452.29
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    Originally posted by rspwfaq
      Originally posted by eviljonhunt81
      Regardless, Scott Keith, you ignored a valid point he raised. If you really do complain about certain matches being spotfests, then why give them 4 stars? I'm not complaining about giving spotfests that many stars, as I enjoy them as well, but if you complain about it being a spotfest, as if it's a negative thing, then you really shouldn't give it a high rating.


    A spotfest is just as valid as a brawl, power match, scientific match, or any other type of wrestling match. Like with all things, there's good ones and bad ones.




There are good spotfests and bad spotfests. The problem is, I don't really ever think there can be a ***** spotfest, just by nature of the beast. Guys can get out there and flip and bump like crazy, but if they aren't doing the proper selling, and if the transitions are all missed clotheslines and blocked punches if they even exist, then it's not *****. It's just 2 guys on a trampoline flipping. Wrestling isn't just the smooth execution of moves. I personally, would think that even the best of the spotfests, can really only climb to about *** 1/2 stars, only because they are missing so much of what makes a great wrestling match. You know, build, pacing, drama... It's why RVD and Billy Kidman suck. It's why AJ Styles will always be just some guy on the indy scene.

As far as differing opinions... Yes we do. The 80's hair metal scene was lacking substance. It was all vapid, and as far as the person who would deny that it was about who could play the fastest... Pick up a guitar magazine from the mid 80's, and listen to the "shredders" talk about who could whip out the most 128th notes in a 32 bar solo. Listen to the halmarks of the genre talk about how hendrix and page were sloppy, and how Clapton plays too slow to be good. It's "Party music". I don't think anyone would deny that they never really tried to do anything of substance. u2 and Rem made them look silly in the 80's, and reminded people that mainstream music didn't have to be stupid music. Janes Addiction reminded them that all metal and Rock didn't have to be vacant and thoughtless. Nirvana just killed them. As far as the bands from the time period dying.. Janes addiction is still headlining arenas. REm and u2 are still headlining arenas. Pearl jam still headlines arenas. So did the Smashing Pumpkins until they broke up. Tori Amos still packs them in, sells out nearly every show. Lots of these bands survived long after the pop trends went away. The difference is, none of these bands were tailored for pop stardom. They didn't synchronize kicks, or poof their hair. They made music. Outside of Van Halen and Guns and Roses, which of the hair metal bands made music that say... gets played on hard rock stations... Has made it's way onto the classic rock stations? None. Because at the end. It was pop music garbage, and none of that ever stands up to the test of time. It was the equivilent to the New Kids on the Block. Seriously. The big names at the time, and where are they. Dokken.. playing clubs to 100 or less people. Poison - Playing on bills with 10 other bands to attract a crowd of maybe 1/10th the venue capacity. Motley Crue - Broken up, playing empty arenas before. Van Halen - Broken up, reforming after an absolutely disasterous album. Ratt - Broken into 2 bands calling themselves ratt. The added attendance to both of their shows on any given night couldn't fill my apartment. Warrant - empty bars. Guns and Roses - Chinese Democracy will flop in 2012 when it is released. Def Leppard - Playing to half empty arenas, still doing better than most. Bon Jovi - Playing limited shows in large cities, selling out most shows.
I won't even bring up Winger, Nelson, Skid Row, Jackyl, Stryper, Quiet Riot, Firehouse or Slaughter.


Somewhere along the line, almost every took a look at what they were listening to and went "Man, this is some real crap. What the hell is a "wheel in the sky" anyways?" It was nice to watch it die off. I chuckle when I see the guy with the mullet wearing the Motley Crue shirt here... All this part of this post is, is doing the same. Hair metal was the pet rock of the 80's.

(Btw- If you want exact attendance figures for all of these bands, go to www.metalsludge.com They track these things)

Btw, Hyatt.. I have seen you post on here before, and I figure maybe picking on Scooter might draw you out. You listed your loverman albums a while back. Good call on the Afghan Whigs "Gentlemen". Severly underrated band, and if you get the chance, Dulli's stuff with the Twilight Singers is just as good.


PoorlyToldJoke

ps- Yes. You are entitled to your opinions. You post them online. BY nature, you are asking for other opinions, agreeing and disagreeing. You come off as a pompous ass. You are, the comic book guy, and this is the worst post ever.
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#9 Posted on 21.12.03 0624.37
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    Originally posted by PoorlyToldJoke
    You come off as a pompous ass.

Pot-Kettle. Kettle-Pot.
Scott is a pompus ass for reviewing a Crue DVD? Daring to have his own opinion? Giving ratings you don't agree with? You say hair metal was crap and then quote crap attendance figures as proof. What does that prove? 90% of 80s bands/singers are doing the same size shows, if they still exist. I'm not saying that hair metal was high art, but "They played fast" and "They aren't popular anymore" don't exactly prove it sucked.
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#10 Posted on 21.12.03 0718.59
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All this hooplah over a few snowflakes?
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#11 Posted on 21.12.03 0802.07
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You know Poorlytoldjoke it's funny, when I saw Poison two seperate times in the past three years, there were about 15,000 other fans there. Yet, Janes addiction, whos nutsack you swing so hard on, cant sell out the concert club at the Savvis center, with 4 other bands on the bill, and thats only about a 4,500 seat set-up.

Make fun of the music and its fans all you want, because lord knows, if it was popular in the 80s it must have sucked! WHere is Blur now? Sponge? Oasis? Garbage? Or any of the other hundreds of "rock" bands that couldnt ENTERTAIN a concert crowd, either when they were "popular" or now. Go back in history and look at some of those bands BEFORE they broke out to mainstream success. Pearl Jam (then known as Mookie Blaylock) weren't exactly far from the glam scene when they started out. A LOT of those bands have thier roots in either the glam scene or the pop rock scene.

REM and U2 werent ROCK bands. Pop maybe, but not ROCK. And, shall we look back at how redicluous some of thier fans looked "back in the day"? For all your lauging about Mullets on Motley Crue fans, I believe out of all the bands you mentioned only U2 had a member WITH a mullet.




As far as RVD never having a great match, since it is all spotfest, I would point to the Jerry Lynn v RVD matchups from ECW. Great matches. But what do I know, I'm a Cinderella fan.



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#12 Posted on 21.12.03 0813.07
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    Originally posted by Merc
      Originally posted by PoorlyToldJoke
      You come off as a pompous ass.

    Pot-Kettle. Kettle-Pot.
    Scott is a pompus ass for reviewing a Crue DVD? Daring to have his own opinion? Giving ratings you don't agree with? You say hair metal was crap and then quote crap attendance figures as proof. What does that prove? 90% of 80s bands/singers are doing the same size shows, if they still exist. I'm not saying that hair metal was high art, but "They played fast" and "They aren't popular anymore" don't exactly prove it sucked.


My argument, is that it didn't last because it sucked. Pink Floyd will be on radio stations in 50 years. Led Zepplin will be on radio stations in 50 years. Nirvana and Pearl Jam will be the same. Radiohead and Tool more than likely will too. Try to find a station that has Motley crue in it's regular rotation, that isn't a niche station. He can review it all he wants, and have all the opinions that he wants. It's like arguing whether the film transfer to DVD was any good on Gigli.

You can pretend there is no difference between Bad Boys 2 and Apocalypse now. They are both movies.. Right?

These bands were just never shooting for new ground. They weren't doing anything different than Journey and Quiet Riot were doing when the whole hair rock thing started. There was no evolution of the music. It turned into who could hit the highest notes with their voice, and which guitar player could solo the fastest. Release the "Hard rock number" as your first single, and the "power ballad" as your second. It was just all formula, by the numbers, with no bands ever taking any musical risks or evolving. So it died. Every last one of them. The 2 that survived survived because they never really every thought they were anything but what they were, pop bands. They aged as well as anyone could, and put away the spandex and the hairspray.

As far as being a pompous ass.. I am disagreeing. Strongly and vocally, at things that I have seen that he has done. To suggest that the things I'm saying don't have any validity, by just saying "Hey man, next time tell me what to think.." It's a cop out. Defend your positions or don't. Either spot fests suck, or they don't. To complain about Sabu/RVD spotfests, and then to give every munchkin match on a ROH show enough snowflakes for a blizzard. It's silly. LowKi isn't half the wrestler RVD is, who isn't 1/4th the wrestler Chris Benoit is. Same with Aj Styles. The Amazing Red isn't 1/10th the wrestler Rey Mysterio Jr is. Chris Daniels... all of these guys. Not one of them knows how to chain their moves together so that each move means something in the context of the last and the one following it. That alone, keeps them from hitting the **** rating, let alone *****. Now I sound like the comic book guy..

I'm a geek, but I suppose I'm a geek of a different stripe. There was a point when I thought Keith was a decent person to read as far as his rants and reviews. Now, I yearn back to the days of reading CRZ where I could read what happened, and then get a little editorial blurb. (quick suckup to the mod). It certainly beats the consistant "I could do this better" attitude and self referential jokes. But me, I'm a masochist. I listen to Sean Hannity and Bill O'Reilly just to get pissed at them, I used to do the same with limbaugh. So I'll continue to read, and continue to occasionally agree and disagree. If you want to defend your opinions, please do so. I welcome it, and honestly invite it. If you don't, maybe I will send you an e-mail giving you some ideas on how to think.
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#13 Posted on 21.12.03 0823.35
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Its also amusing how you pick out Journey and Quiet Riot as reference points.


How old are you? These two bands have NOTHING in common, other than guitars, basses and Drummers. If you are going to talk about HAIR BANDS, at least talk about the ones that were fucking in the genre. Quiet Riot was all but obscure when the HAIR METAL scene was exploding, and in the middle of it, they released thier actual best effort, which was blues based rock.

Journey started out as a jam band, and evolved into a arena rock band.

Jesus stop picking bands at random and talking about how much they suck and calling them all hair bands when you dont know what the hell you are talking about!
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#14 Posted on 21.12.03 0837.39
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I put my response after each of your points, so please look through the part where I am quoting you. Sorry about that





    Originally posted by StaggerLee
    You know Poorlytoldjoke it's funny, when I saw Poison two seperate times in the past three years, there were about 15,000 other fans there. Yet, Janes addiction, whos nutsack you swing so hard on, cant sell out the concert club at the Savvis center, with 4 other bands on the bill, and thats only about a 4,500 seat set-up.

    I suppose it would depend on where they were at. I've seen the figures of what the poison shows have sold. Go to metalsludge. It's right there. They will occasionally pop a show where they will sell some tickets. The difference is, Janes Addiction were never a pop band. They didn't write cute little songs like "Talk Dirty to me" or "Unskinny Bop". The audiences they draw steadily through the continent (Look it up) comes without the aid of any radio or MTV play (Been Caught Stealing aside, as a minor novelty hit) Poison and these bands, owned MTV for a long time. Their last album, sold less then 40,000 albums. 26,068 scanned up until Nov 1. Do you understand how bad that is? The new Janes album is gold, and about halfway to platnium. Not bad for a shit effort from a band that should have just stayed gone.





    Make fun of the music and its fans all you want, because lord knows, if it was popular in the 80s it must have sucked! WHere is Blur now? Sponge? Oasis? Garbage? Or any of the other hundreds of "rock" bands that couldnt ENTERTAIN a concert crowd, either when they were "popular" or now.

    Funny. Oasis, who I don't really care for, their last album went triple platnium. Blur is in the same place they always were, they were never a huge band. Garbages last album went platnium. But to ask where Blur and Sponge went, is like asking what happened to Danger Danger and Pretty Boy Floyd. Minor, minor hits, for brief moments


    Go back in history and look at some of those bands BEFORE they broke out to mainstream success. Pearl Jam (then known as Mookie Blaylock) weren't exactly far from the glam scene when they started out. A LOT of those bands have thier roots in either the glam scene or the pop rock scene.

    That's fine. Have you heard Mookie Blaylock or Mother Love Bone? Neither was very glam sounding. Yeah, they looked silly. They still had the good sense to not sound like Warrant. And please don't mistake hair metal and pop rock. Cheap Trick is pop rock, and a fantastic band.




    REM and U2 werent ROCK bands. Pop maybe, but not ROCK. And, shall we look back at how redicluous some of thier fans looked "back in the day"?

    REM was always an alternative band, but u2? U2 was a rock band. U2 was always a great rock band. and yes. Bono looked silly at times. BUt rock was long co-opted by these spandex and eyeliner poofy haired idiots. U2 was a rock band in the tradition of real rock bands, like the Rolling Stones, or the doors, or Led Zeppelin. They just had other influences too, from the folk and punk side. The Joshua Tree was probably one of the first moments when everyone started to realize that hair metal was vapid and vacant. Which is why the songs off of it survive to this day, and "Too Young to Fall in Love" is a trivia question.

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    As far as RVD never having a great match, since it is all spotfest, I would point to the Jerry Lynn v RVD matchups from ECW. Great matches. But what do I know, I'm a Cinderella fan.



    (edited by StaggerLee on 21.12.03 0611)

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RVd vs Jerry Lynn.. Way.. Way.. Way.. Overrated by the ECW mutants. Jerry Lynn may well be the 2nd most overrated wrestler today, right behind RVD. Yes. They flipped and flopped well. But I'll go as far as to agree with Keith.. I think he gave one of their supposed classics *** 1/2 stars. That's a good number. They were good matches, lacking in about 1/2 of the things that make good matches great matches. Not even as good as that one surpisingly good Albert vs Kane match...


PoorlyToldJoke

btw- Liking bad music doesn't really mean you have bad taste in wrestling too.

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#16 Posted on 21.12.03 1432.55
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    Originally posted by PoorlyToldJoke
    LowKi isn't half the wrestler RVD is, who isn't 1/4th the wrestler Chris Benoit is. Same with Aj Styles. The Amazing Red isn't 1/10th the wrestler Rey Mysterio Jr is. Chris Daniels... all of these guys.


Oh god yeah, man, Low Ki and Christopher Daniels are certainly lacking the epic storytelling in which Rob Van Dam specializes. Are you on drugs? Also Jerry Lynn was pretty freaking good in those Van Dam matches and was about the only reason they were any good at ALL, but ECW mutants, yeah yeah. I hate Scott Keith! (Naw.)
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#17 Posted on 21.12.03 1552.42
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    Originally posted by PoorlyToldJoke
    Janes Addiction were never a pop band. They didn't write cute little songs like "Talk Dirty to me" or "Unskinny Bop". The audiences they draw steadily through the continent (Look it up) comes without the aid of any radio or MTV play (Been Caught Stealing aside, as a minor novelty hit)



Oh, oh, PTJ... while I admire your willingness to look up relatively obscure attendance figures and sales quotes, you're not doing yourself any favors by taking the occasional foray into "inaccurate".

Jane's Addiction is pulling decent numbers because of two things: their Lollapalazalalapooza (thanks, South Park!) fame, and the strength of "Just Because", the poppiest song Perry Ferrel's ever produced... that, incidentally, has gotten a nice, strong amount of airplay on MTV for a non-rap/non-slutty diva outfit. (Actually, make that three things: they have a vaguely familiar name to the current pop audience, which counts for more than you might think.)
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#18 Posted on 21.12.03 1625.30
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    Originally posted by StaggerLee
    Its also amusing how you pick out Journey and Quiet Riot as reference points.


    How old are you? These two bands have NOTHING in common, other than guitars, basses and Drummers. If you are going to talk about HAIR BANDS, at least talk about the ones that were fucking in the genre. Quiet Riot was all but obscure when the HAIR METAL scene was exploding, and in the middle of it, they released thier actual best effort, which was blues based rock.

    Journey started out as a jam band, and evolved into a arena rock band.

    Jesus stop picking bands at random and talking about how much they suck and calling them all hair bands when you dont know what the hell you are talking about!


Here, here, StaggerLee! While a lot of as PoorlyToldJoke puts it, "hair metal bands" were bad, try to tell me Vai era Whitesnake (or their previous 2 albums before) were bad, or Van Halen was bad (as he said below!) As for saying that they don't sell well, and to defend Scott Keith, Def Leppard has sold HUGE in America and in England. Van Halen's last record was a flop, but Sammy and Roth still pull in big concerts and all their other records are huge--1984 and Van Halen 1 are incredible.
To claim that Bon Jovi, Van Halen, Guns and Roses, Def Leppard, etc. weren't big bands is ludicrious. I'm a huge Jane's fan as well, but none of their CD's or tours could touch any of the bands I just mentioned at their peak. If the REAL Van Halen (Roth or Hagar)or Guns and Roses ever reformed and got their shit together, it would be HUGE. Also, reading all the magazines and books I have... I've never seen any guitarist worth a hill of beans from any metal (or hair metal) band insult Hendrix or Clapton.
There was a huge deal of oversaturation with bad metal bands, but many of them were huge and good musically. To lump in GNR's Appetite for Destruction with some random band's shit album doesn't make sense.
Also you say it sucks and then name Nirvana and Jane's as killing the shitty metal of the 80's.
While somewhat true to a point, and while I enjoy both bands, here's a little quote to reflect on: "God, he was so disgustingly brillant. He ruined my fucking life when he came out. I thought, 'I suck, I should stop playing.' I thought that this was it. I'm through; I'm completely worthless; I've been wiped out. I surrender!".... Pat Smear or Nirvana on Eddie Van Halen.
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#19 Posted on 21.12.03 1706.42
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That was always my biggest pet peve by the people who thought they were too cool, was that they thought no musical ability was involved in any "hair" band.

Winger, for all thier suckiness had some great musicians.

Bringing Van Halen into the discussion, or Journey for that matter is rediculous.

The ORINIGAL Quiet Riot featured Randy Roads, he wasnt exactly terrible either.

Whitesnake had ALL STAR lineups since the begining, even back in the SLID IT IN days.

I am sure PTJ would like to bash Billy Idol as well, but I doubt Dave Navarro could carry Steve Stevens guitar strap, as far as guitar abilities go.

Oasis went triple platinum? In what country? Not the USA.

The Joshua Tree wasnt when people started realizing hair bands were vapid, it is when they realised U2 were a song writing force. Pure and simple.

As far as Janes Addiction and how GREAT they are and how manny asses they can put in the seats (Thanks Bischoff), I offer this little bit of news that was released today:

Only a month ago it was announced that Jane's Addiction and Marilyn Manson would play dates with openers The Used in late December and early January. Yesterday it was announced by Capitol Records representatives that the two co-headliners have called off the tour due to unspecified reasons. Rumors have been circulating that the tour was cancelled due to low ticket sales, but those rumors have yet to be confirmed.

MIGHTY JANES ADDICTION cant even sell enough tickets with Marilyn Manson to support a tour.
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#20 Posted on 21.12.03 2325.09
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    Originally posted by PoorlyToldJoke

    RVd vs Jerry Lynn.. Way.. Way.. Way.. Overrated by the ECW mutants. Jerry Lynn may well be the 2nd most overrated wrestler today, right behind RVD. Yes. They flipped and flopped well. But I'll go as far as to agree with Keith.. I think he gave one of their supposed classics *** 1/2 stars.



So, um, you don't like SKeith and how he rates matches, yet you reference his opinion on a match since it agrees with yours?

Bravo, man.

Anyhow, you ought to look into fixing whatever is forcing you to read Scott's opinions.

On the music tip, just because you don't like a certain type of music doesn't mean that it isn't good. Music, as with all arts, is subjective. There's nothing about a really fast guitar solo that appeals to me, so I don't like much of any type of metal, but this argument is going in circles becaused it's not based on anything concrete. Vanilla Ice sold 10 million records, but I think we can all agree that he totally sucks. Or he totally rocks, if that's your bag. Concert figures and record sales only prove how many people were willing to pay to see/hear the bands; who knows how many just purchased albums/tickets to be cool or because they thought Motley Crue was a musical about illiterate pirates. The fact that Jane's Addiction and Marilyn Manson had to cancel their tour due to low ticket sales could mean that they sold a lot of tickets but not enough to be financially viable. Or their fans are lazy junkies who couldn't get off the couch long enough to buy a ticket.

BTW, StaggerLee: I think you have Pearl Jam confused with Alice in Chains. AiC *was* a hair metal band that went grunge; Pearl Jam came from Bad Radio and Green River, which is really, really, really not glam rock. Not even the same ballpark. However, Stone and Mike are two of the finest guitarists in rock today, which is easily evidenced in Stone's side projects and the minute-long solos at the end of damn near every song on "Ten".

(edited by rockstar on 22.12.03 0043)
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