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| #1 Posted on 6.12.03 2231.12 Reposted on: 6.12.10 2231.32 | KSU over OU 35-7! Most people agreed that if OU lost, they would still go to the NC. But nobody thought they would get routed. What happens now? USC vs LSU? USC vs OU? LSU vs OU?
It is really up in the air. It depends on the poll voters. The newspaper rankings and the computers. I'm going with USC vs LSU and USC winning a VERY close football game. But that's just me.
I'm sure tons of people are going to argue for a playoff system. But, I just can't warm up to it. College football is all about tradition, controversy and rivalries. That is the difference between it and the NFL. Keep it that way, it's special. Nothing is like NCAA college football.
My oh my!
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| #2 Posted on 6.12.03 2233.27 Reposted on: 6.12.10 2233.35 | Well, at least SEADAWG stands vindicated.
Once again, Football and the BCS prove incompatible.
Bring on the playoffs!
-Jag | Bullitt
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| #3 Posted on 6.12.03 2238.38 Reposted on: 6.12.10 2238.59 | OK, fans of the BCS...please explain how this mess will work itself out!
Screw it...Tulane and Virginia Tech for the National Championship! :)
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| #4 Posted on 6.12.03 2240.25 Reposted on: 6.12.10 2242.19 | Originally posted by ShotGunShep What happens now? USC vs LSU? USC vs OU? LSU vs OU?
THREE-WAY DANCE! THREE-WAY DANCE!
This is the greatest day ever. | Jaguar
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| #5 Posted on 6.12.03 2258.40 Reposted on: 6.12.10 2259.01 | THREE TEAMS ENTER.
ONE TEAM LEAVES.
-Jag | drjayphd
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| #6 Posted on 6.12.03 2318.08 Reposted on: 6.12.10 2318.19 | I don't know that I'd go THAT far, but it certainly makes things eenteresting. I still think they're in, but today's developments may push LSU close enough to make it.
Of course, it goes without saying that a three-way dance would rule enough to transcend the limits of human comprehension. | DrDirt
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| #7 Posted on 6.12.03 2325.17 Reposted on: 6.12.10 2326.04 | I seem to remember in the "ou sux" thread started by Sea Dawg that some of you said that K-Statewas basically a bunch of overrated babies playing a creampuff schedule. Well, I believe this is the fourth ranked team they have beaten (maybe third). Let's see, they destroyed Nebraska and they destroyed Oklahoma by 28 points. Sproules set a record for yardage in the Big 12 Championship game. The only question I have as a Cat backer is how will they screw them and stick them in a crapy bowl now. C'mon and admit it, Snyder is one hell of a coach, they are one hell of a lot better team than many thought and if Roberson hadn't gotten hurt, they might have played for the national title. | Staplegun
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| #8 Posted on 6.12.03 2328.01 Reposted on: 6.12.10 2329.01 | Interception!!! interception!!! Interception!!! USC just picked OU off bah gawd...wait USC fumbles!!! LSU recovers!!!ALL HELL HAS BROKEN LOOSE!!! | JayJayDean
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| #9 Posted on 6.12.03 2339.45 Reposted on: 6.12.10 2340.12 | On ESPN they just projected USC as # 1 in the polls and #3 in the BCS, with OU #1 and LSU #2. How fucked up is THAT? | Zeruel
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| #10 Posted on 6.12.03 2355.14 Reposted on: 6.12.10 2355.36 | 6 UPDATED Computer polls, as of 5:30pm EST HP = AVERAGE of AP & ESPN Polls A&H = Anderson & Hester CM = Colley Matrix KM = Kenneth Massey JS = Jeff Sagarin PW = Peter Wolfe RB = Richard Billingsly
NYT = New York Times, unknown update time.
.............OFFICIAL...........PROJECTION TEAM......A&H CM KM JS PW..RB|||NYT........................HP..SOS...LOSS...SUB...QW...FINAL OU........1...1...2..1..1..1....1...drop 2, 06/6 = 1.00 + 3.0 + 0.44 + 1 = 5.44 - 0.5 = 4.94 LSU.......2...2...1..2..2..2....3...drop 3, 11/6 = 1.83 + 2.0 + 1.20 + 1 = 6.03 - 0.1 = 5.93 USC.......3...3...3..4..3..3....2...drop 4, 17/6 = 2.83 + 1.0 + 1.48 + 1 = 6.31........ 6.31 MICH......7...6...5..5..5..4....4...drop 7, 29/6 = 4.83 + 4.0 + 0.56 + 2 =11.39 - 0.6 =10.79 tOSU......6...4...4..6..7..6....7...drop 7, 33/6 = 5.50 + 6.5 + 0.28 + 2 =14.28........14.28
TX........5...8...7..8..10.9....5..drop 10, 42/6 = 7.00 + 5.0 + 0.80 + 2 =14.80........14.97 F$U.......8...5...8..7..6..8....6...drop 8, 40/6 = 6.67 + 8.5 + 0.60 + 2 =17.77........17.77 TN.......10..10..11.10..11.7....9..drop 11, 57/6 = 9.17 + 6.5 + 1.84 + 2 =19.51 - 0.2 =19.31 MIAMI,FL..9...7...9.11..9..5...10..drop 11, 49/6 = 8.17 + 9.5 + 0.52 + 2 =20.19 - 0.4 =19.79 KSU......16..12..12.13.13..12..12..drop 16, 74/6 = 12.33+ 9.0 + 0.40 + 3 =24.73 - 1.0 =23.73
GA.......12..11..10..9..8..11...8..drop 12, 57/6 = 9.50 +11.0 + 0.72 + 3 =24.22 - 0.3 =23.92 MIAMI,OH..4...9...6..3..4..10..20..drop 20, 36/6 = 6.00 +14.5 + 2.72 + 1 =24.22........24.22
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Originally posted by DrDirt The only question I have as a Cat backer is how will they screw them and stick them in a crapy bowl now.
Well, if a BCS bowl is crappy, then color K-State crappy. As the Big XII champs, they are going to Fiesta Bowl, the Big XIIs normal tie-in.
(edited by rikidozan on 7.12.03 0058)
Unless USC drops goes from #2 to #1 in NYT and/or Billingsley, they are headed to the Rose Bowl to face MEEEE-CHEGIN...
Final, Unoffical, verdict, OU #1, LSU #2.
(edited by rikidozan on 7.12.03 1748)
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| #11 Posted on 7.12.03 0004.44 Reposted on: 7.12.10 0004.57 | (deleted by Swordsman Yen on 6.12.03 2206) | Big Bad
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| #12 Posted on 7.12.03 0233.43 Reposted on: 7.12.10 0234.03 | One guarantee.....JR will be pissed Monday night.
I'm sure tons of people are going to argue for a playoff system. But, I just can't warm up to it. College football is all about tradition, controversy and rivalries. That is the difference between it and the NFL. Keep it that way, it's special. Nothing is like NCAA college football.
Yes, and the NCAA has a proud tradition of screwing over fans by not giving them a true national champion, which is why we have stupid arguments like this every year.
Ideally, we'd all be excited now about an Oklahoma/USC/LSU/Michigan Final Four tourney in the Rose, Orange and Sugar Bowls to decide the undisputed champ. | Excalibur05
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| #13 Posted on 7.12.03 0446.47 Reposted on: 7.12.10 0446.47 | The BCS Might be broke but playoffs certainly aren't the answer. In one NCAA divsion this year (AA, perhaps?) a three loss team who made it in because of a week field in their region upset an undefeated team and won the national title. If this is the reaction NOW to three 1 loss teams going for two spots, what's the reaction going to be when some little 4 loss MAC shit comes through gets lucky and walks away with the title? Unless you're going to exclude them, and only take, say, the top 16 teams. Well then what was the point of the guys who won their conferences even bothering to win them, if, because they aren't polled high enough or their conference is particularily weak, they aren't going to be involved? What's the point for the teams that are never will bes or also rans to even have programs anymore?
The problem with getting rid of the bowls is that, while it certainly might make the national championship picture a bit clearer it only benefits a select few programs. The current system is developed to be the greatest good for the greatest amount of people. A bunch of teams get all sorts of extra cash, recruiting power (we went to a bowl game!), and national TV exposure, players get to play another game which for many of the lower bowls is the first time since last year's bowl games that they've been on national TV, and the fans get to follow their team for one more game, and a bowl at that. I can understand if all you care about is the big prize, but not everybody else is. In fact, I could care less who wins the title this year, I'm more concerned with the outcome of the Music City Bowl. | Zeruel
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| #14 Posted on 7.12.03 0453.04 Reposted on: 7.12.10 0453.58 | How about this:
Have the Pre-BCS bowl tie-ins the week after end of the regular season, then after that, have a 16, 24, or 32 team playoff using the BCS system for selection (and other factors could be used, like conf champs and what not) and use the playoff to crown the champ.
That way people would still have their "tradition" and others will have that playoff to crown a champ. | Java
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| #15 Posted on 7.12.03 0658.00 Reposted on: 7.12.10 0659.01 | The 3 loss team, Northern Arizona, had one of those losses against Arizona State, which a lot of 1-AA schools do for the cash.
As far as them upsetting the #1 team, it was 35-3, hardly a close game. And, isn't this what everyone loves about the NCAA basketball tournament, the Cinderella team? (They did lose yesterday, however)
A 16 team football playoff would generate so much cash it would not be funny. It is ridiculus that 1-A football is the only NCAA sport that does not have a playoff to determine its champion. | Net Hack Slasher
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| #16 Posted on 7.12.03 0913.36 Reposted on: 7.12.10 0913.41 | SEADAWG hasn't come in here and gloat, that's almost as surprising as the K-state win. Maybe SeaDawg put his money where his mouth is and he's counting his dollar bills, especially if he took the Moneyline... Well I did a umm friendly wager on a 3 game parley Boise St over Hawaii (check), the tough game on my card LSU over Georgia (Check!), ohh and the sure bet OU over K-State (che.. Dammit!)
Gawd I'm bitter, I wish OU drops out of the BCS and have JR drown in eggnog Live on Raw!... Maybe the word of Mike Stoops leaving Oklahoma messed the team up. If we learned ANYTHING from the sitcom "Coach" is that when an assistant coach is rumored or makes official they are leaving the team it always means bad news for your team. | CRZ
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| #17 Posted on 7.12.03 1015.44 Reposted on: 7.12.10 1015.47 | Originally posted by Net Hack Slasher SEADAWG hasn't come in here and gloat, that's almost as surprising as the K-state win.
Well, he *did* say 45-3, so technically he isn't correct. ;-) | Bullitt
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| #18 Posted on 7.12.03 1214.13 Reposted on: 7.12.10 1214.43 | Originally posted by rikidozan Sagarin has updated. OU #1, LSU #2, MIAMI OF OHIO #3, and USC #4.
Someone REALLY needs to help me understand Jeff Sagarin and his computer. He has had either Miami of Ohio or TCU in his top 5 all year. Are these LEGITIMATE top 5 teams, or is this yet another problem with this system? | Big Bad
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| #19 Posted on 7.12.03 1215.45 Reposted on: 7.12.10 1216.29 | The BCS Might be broke but playoffs certainly aren't the answer. In one NCAA divsion this year (AA, perhaps?) a three loss team who made it in because of a week field in their region upset an undefeated team and won the national title. If this is the reaction NOW to three 1 loss teams going for two spots, what's the reaction going to be when some little 4 loss MAC shit comes through gets lucky and walks away with the title? Unless you're going to exclude them, and only take, say, the top 16 teams. Well then what was the point of the guys who won their conferences even bothering to win them, if, because they aren't polled high enough or their conference is particularily weak, they aren't going to be involved? What's the point for the teams that are never will bes or also rans to even have programs anymore?
First, like Java said, nobody would 'complain' about a Cinderella team because we've seen enough of them in March Madness. If a team can pull some upsets, more power to them.
Seeing as how the BCS is slanted towards the major conferences anyway, it's not exactly an even playing field right now as it is. I think the ideal formula would be having the whole bowl schedule as usual, and then an eight-team playoff to determine the national champion. It rotates between the Sugar, Rose, Orange and Fiesta (same as now) getting the national championship on January 8th or so, with two of those bowls getting semi-final games on New Year's and the last one getting a quarterfinal matchup on Christmas or Boxing Day. The SEC, Big Ten, Pac-10 and Big 12 champs all get automatic invites to the Elite Eight, with four at-large bids. | Quezzy
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| #20 Posted on 7.12.03 1643.46 Reposted on: 7.12.10 1646.06 | Originally posted by DrDirt I seem to remember in the "ou sux" thread started by Sea Dawg that some of you said that K-Statewas basically a bunch of overrated babies playing a creampuff schedule. Well, I believe this is the fourth ranked team they have beaten (maybe third). Let's see, they destroyed Nebraska and they destroyed Oklahoma by 28 points. Sproules set a record for yardage in the Big 12 Championship game. The only question I have as a Cat backer is how will they screw them and stick them in a crapy bowl now. C'mon and admit it, Snyder is one hell of a coach, they are one hell of a lot better team than many thought and if Roberson hadn't gotten hurt, they might have played for the national title.
I admit it I said I won't believe it until I see. And I what I saw was Kansas State destroy Oklahoma, say yeah, I admit I was wrong. They are good. As for not making a good bowl? Aren't they guaranteed a BCS game for winning their Conference?
I'm guessing LSU vs. Oklahoma - Sugar Bowl USC vs. Michigan - Rose Bowl Ohio State vs. Miami - Orange Bowl FSU vs. Kansas State - Fiesta Bowl
Also keep in mind. The pollsters don't have to vote for number on in the BCS. If USC does play Michigan and beat them then that's a great win. Some people think Michigan is the best team even though they have to losses. They could still be number one in the polls which would make them co-champions wouldn't it?
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