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#21 Posted on 5.12.03 0506.29
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    Originally posted by Guru Zim
    OK, granted, I keep meaning to finish What Color is a Conservative, but I have to ask...

    Isn't Watts too religious for the Republican Party to run as a Presidential Candidate? Don't get me wrong, he sounds like an amazing guy - someone I would love to get to know - but I'm not sure I want him as President.


Obviously, that might be the thing working most against him in our current society. Gone are the days when a very religious man who is open and honest about it can run for presient.

But Dubya's pretty faith-oriented. So maybe it's making a comeback. He's no Garfield (The president, not the cat).

Watts is certainly a religious guy. But he's also young, a for-real jock, conservative and african-american. I don't think Watts is out of politics, but he did what he intended as a Rep. I think one of his vows was to not be a rep for 30 years because that was not what he felt the intention of the founders was.

But see if this statement, made in November, sounds like a "retired from politics" guy
http://www.jcwatts.com/ news/news20031105.htm

If you really want some insight into what Watts is up to, go to the link above and read the resumes of his "management team" They are all political studs.

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#22 Posted on 5.12.03 0634.16
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    Originally posted by Guru Zim
    Isn't Watts too religious for the Republican Party to run as a Presidential Candidate? Don't get me wrong, he sounds like an amazing guy - someone I would love to get to know - but I'm not sure I want him as President.
I think AWA just sapped what I was about to write! I haven't gotten the chance to read the book yet, but I don't consider a deep faith to be too troubling. His faith will influence his politics, and I think most folks will decide on that, not on what faith he is or what he believes in that regard.

He's also, with Rice and Powell, one of the few black candidates who would get broad support in a primary.
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#23 Posted on 5.12.03 0834.47
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    Originally posted by Grimis
      Originally posted by Guru Zim
      Isn't Watts too religious for the Republican Party to run as a Presidential Candidate? Don't get me wrong, he sounds like an amazing guy - someone I would love to get to know - but I'm not sure I want him as President.
    I think AWA just sapped what I was about to write! I haven't gotten the chance to read the book yet, but I don't consider a deep faith to be too troubling. His faith will influence his politics, and I think most folks will decide on that, not on what faith he is or what he believes in that regard.

    He's also, with Rice and Powell, one of the few black candidates who would get broad support in a primary.


Grimis, I agree that his deep faith won't be a problem. He is an extremely articulate, thoughtful man and I actually agree with alot of what he says when I have heard him speak and debate. What his problem would be is his "extremism" on certain issues, especially on reproductive issues and sexuality. It would be the same problem someone on the other end of the spectrum would have. His perceived intolerance would be a big problem. The old adage about running to the middle after you have won the primary holds pretty true and with his convictions, I couldn't see that happening.

Palp, no I don't think Gep has prepared himself. When in a position of great power he came across as a whiney, vindictive little bitch instead of a leader. You may be that but you musn't appear as that. As opposed to Watts, his principals seems to come from a desire to get elected, not because he has any core beliefs. Dean appears to have spent time figuring out how to look presidential and a candidate with a direction. I am not a Dean supporter. It's just how it seems to me.
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#24 Posted on 5.12.03 1000.26
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    Originally posted by Guru Zim
    OK, granted, I keep meaning but I have to ask...

    Isn't Watts too religious for the Republican Party to run as a Presidential Candidate?


Is there such a thing as too religious for the Republican Party?
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#25 Posted on 5.12.03 1919.39
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Bill Frist in 08' - at least as the Old Aristocratic Bush wing establiment candidate. Will McCain be too old?

It's a little early to predict, but I think "Bush Fatigue" will be a big factor in 08 (my call is Bush does a Nixon - gets re-elected pretty easily and has a disaterous second term), so I don't think Jebby could really be a feasable candidate.

Guiliani - Will never be President. Please trust me on this one. No New York City politician can withstand the Oppo research, this is just a sleezy town. As a small example, Guiliani appointed a college dropout, who was the son of one probably the guy he owed his election to the most, who turned out not only to be utterly incompitant and corrupt, but also liked using city property to look at Child Pornography. The Voice is already going very hard after his administration's illegal and corrupt stuff, and there's a LOT of skeletons there. He might manage to overcome this in a Statewide race, but never in a Nationwide race. Plus remember, Guiliani's positions resemble Barney Frank's on a good many hot-button social issues.

Bob Erlich - don't flatter yourself Grimis. I know it's hard to root against the hometown hero though.

Pataki - way too bland.

Romney - I'll go out on a limb here, but I still don't think America's ready fro a Mormon President. If nothing else it's a major distration. I might be wrond on this one though.
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#26 Posted on 6.12.03 0918.35
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    Originally posted by MoeGates
    Bob Erlich - don't flatter yourself Grimis. I know it's hard to root against the hometown hero though.
Trust me, this is through objective eyes. He's a relatively moderate guy who holds his conservative base, is anti-tax, mostly pro-choice, and for smaller goverment. As long as the budget mess here does not blow-up and he gets re-elected, he is a legit contender.
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#27 Posted on 6.12.03 2339.00
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    Originally posted by Blanket Jackson
      Originally posted by Guru Zim
      OK, granted, I keep meaning but I have to ask...

      Isn't Watts too religious for the Republican Party to run as a Presidential Candidate?


    Is there such a thing as too religious for the Republican Party?


Yes, because the party as a whole is more moderate than the leaders would have you think. Mccain wouldn't have gotten the support he did is they were as religously and socially conservative as the Democrat leadership would have you believe. Just as the Democrat rank and file is not as far left as Republican leadership would say.
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#28 Posted on 7.12.03 2007.18
Reposted on: 7.12.10 2009.31
    Originally posted by MoeGates
    Bill Frist in 08' - at least as the Old Aristocratic Bush wing establiment candidate. Will McCain be too old?

    It's a little early to predict, but I think "Bush Fatigue" will be a big factor in 08 (my call is Bush does a Nixon - gets re-elected pretty easily and has a disaterous second term), so I don't think Jebby could really be a feasable candidate.

    Guiliani - Will never be President. Please trust me on this one. No New York City politician can withstand the Oppo research, this is just a sleezy town. As a small example, Guiliani appointed a college dropout, who was the son of one probably the guy he owed his election to the most, who turned out not only to be utterly incompitant and corrupt, but also liked using city property to look at Child Pornography. The Voice is already going very hard after his administration's illegal and corrupt stuff, and there's a LOT of skeletons there. He might manage to overcome this in a Statewide race, but never in a Nationwide race. Plus remember, Guiliani's positions resemble Barney Frank's on a good many hot-button social issues.

    Bob Erlich - don't flatter yourself Grimis. I know it's hard to root against the hometown hero though.

    Pataki - way too bland.

    Romney - I'll go out on a limb here, but I still don't think America's ready fro a Mormon President. If nothing else it's a major distration. I might be wrond on this one though.





I have to agree with Moe on a few of these. Rudy was despised by many pre 9/11. Let's face it, Rudy is not likeable. If David Dinkins wasn't 5 levels below incompentant, Rudy never would have become mayor in the first place. Plus, the New Yorkers are superior to all others attitude of his won't fly in the primaries, let alone the general election.
McCain will be early/mid 70's come '08, and I think his phenomenon has come and gone.
Pataki is only Governor of New York because the New York Democratic Party has picked inept candidates to run against him.
Romney's a possibility, especially should Ted Kennedy die while Romney is in office; thus he will get national attention as the man who replaced the last Kennedy in the Senate.
Frist is a possibility, but Republicans running from the Senate haven't had a great track record in the past century, and Senate spots are to important to risk in the current landscape.
Best Bet is probably some unknown who no one hear's of until late 2005-early 2006.
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