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Nicolae Carpathia
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#41 Posted on 7.12.03 1650.53
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    Originally posted by Pool-Boy
    I think something that is ignored is the fact that the very reason we get so much news, so fast is because of the big corperations. Do you honestly think that small, local news agencies will have the resources for up-to-the minute news just about anywhere?

    No way. The Big Media conglomerates are the reason we get our news as fast as we do now.



You're not addressing my argument.
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#42 Posted on 7.12.03 1706.16
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    Originally posted by DrDirt
    1. fifty years ago, the national nightly news was about 15 minutes each night and TV news paled in comparison to print and radio.

    2. Please read previous posts regarding internet access. Points are made there.

    3. My wife has worked for several BIG corporations owning hundreds of local papers across the country, some good and some bad. Most wer bad. Why? Because they have cookie cutter rules and sales goals, etc. for the entire chain and what works in Ohio often doesn't in Kansas. They slash local reporting staffs and put more and more wire copy and syndicated crap in with less and less local coverage. Finally they don't give a rats ass about the newspaper business. the are in the profit business.


1. How many newspapers did people get 50 years ago. Sure there was many 5 different papers in the town but did the people buy all 5. Or did they just get 1 paper. I am sure you will find today that people read/watch/listen to more sources for their news than they did 50 years ago.

2. You can say the same about people having access to cable just 20 years ago. And then most people would get there news from the nightly news because most towns/cities were down to 1 or 2 papers. Yet democracy survived the evils that were the 80's.

3. Show me a paper who is not in it for profit and I will show you a paper that will soon be out of business. It has been like that since the beginnings of time. Sure you can go back to the glory days of the newspaper were they had great local coverage. But guess what. You will lose your coverage on national and world wide reports. Papers only have a limited amount of space in every paper. You want more local news. Then forget about reading about a national story or 2.

I just have net to see any EVIDENCE that we are losing any freedom since VIACOM started owning CBS or that since the Disney/ABC partnership started. We are still having elections. Even though all these EVIL corporations are controlling the news we still know that the Patriot Act was bad. I just think this is just alot of THE SKY IS FALLING.
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#43 Posted on 7.12.03 1730.46
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"I am sure you will find today that people read/watch/listen to more sources for their news than they did 50 years ago."

Getting your news from many oligarghic media outlets as opposed to a few oligarchic media outlets does nothing to widen someone's scope of available opinion to digest. 100 people pissing on your shoes isn't better than 10.
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#44 Posted on 7.12.03 1744.49
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    Originally posted by calvinh0560
    >I just have net to see any EVIDENCE that we are losing any freedom since VIACOM started owning CBS or that since the Disney/ABC partnership started. We are still having elections. Even though all these EVIL corporations are controlling the news we still know that the Patriot Act was bad. I just think this is just alot of THE SKY IS FALLING.


You're basically saying "I have not seen any evidence that Big Mac's are bad for me - I mean, my arteries are clogged and I weigh 450lbs... but I'm still surviving."

Or public education is fine because you can read and right and count to 10 without using your fingers.

Would the only proof good enough for you be the entire collapse of our society? Yeah, we have elections - with two frickin' candidates from two parties that are almost indistinguishable from each other...

How about this - I WANT MORE CHOICES. I look at every other industrialized nation, and they put way more value into how many news sources they have - and art, music, and culture - and quite frankly, I wish we would too. Every foreigner I talk to is stunned by how piss-poor our news is, how uninformed most Americans seem to be - and how little they seem to care about who is telling them what.

You know, something struck me during the course of this - we constantly hear from the right-wingers about the "the media is so liberal... I hate the liberal media...". But the second you want to regulate these bastions of liberal ideology (i.e. the "liberal media" CORPORATIONS), you get an "everything is fine, the sky isn't falling - I don't know what the probelm is..."

One would think if so few corporations are in the hands of people you adamantly disagree with - that you don't think there's enough conservative voices on the air - you would want to see more diversity in ownership.
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#45 Posted on 7.12.03 1819.15
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Many Americans believed that Saddam Hussein had played a role in the attacks of Sept. 11 2001, and that Weapons of Mass Destrution had been found in Iraq. Democracy rests on an informed public, which this is obviously not.
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#46 Posted on 7.12.03 2110.57
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    Originally posted by calvinh0560
      Originally posted by


    1. How many newspapers did people get 50 years ago. Sure there was many 5 different papers in the town but did the people buy all 5. Or did they just get 1 paper. I am sure you will find today that people read/watch/listen to more sources for their news than they did 50 years ago.

    2. You can say the same about people having access to cable just 20 years ago. And then most people would get there news from the nightly news because most towns/cities were down to 1 or 2 papers. Yet democracy survived the evils that were the 80's.

    3. Show me a paper who is not in it for profit and I will show you a paper that will soon be out of business. It has been like that since the beginnings of time. Sure you can go back to the glory days of the newspaper were they had great local coverage. But guess what. You will lose your coverage on national and world wide reports. Papers only have a limited amount of space in every paper. You want more local news. Then forget about reading about a national story or 2.

    I just have net to see any EVIDENCE that we are losing any freedom since VIACOM started owning CBS or that since the Disney/ABC partnership started. We are still having elections. Even though all these EVIL corporations are controlling the news we still know that the Patriot Act was bad. I just think this is just alot of THE SKY IS FALLING.


1. Fifty years ago newspapers and radio were it. The majority of papers would print several editions throughout the day as new waranted. The difference today is that fifty years ago, local events (i.e. news) was what was important for the most part as natinal and world wide events were not changing like today. Plus most of what we are fed as news by Fox, Cnn and the like is really nothing more than gossip.

3. I never siad papers wern't or shouldn't be in the profit business, reread what I wrote. The differnce is that today the profit imperative is driven by a very large corporation. The paper my wife was editor of before she left was the most profitable of the bunch owned in the area. But it wasn't profitable enough for corporate. The cut staff, cut her ad commissions, set arbitrary ad sales goals without letting her know what they were or how they came up with them, eliminated color photos from the front page. It went on and on until she had enough. And local papers are the life's blood of a community as most of us don't have local TV or radio coverage. In the countryside, local papers aren't read for national and world news, unless it may be an in depth analysis since papers can't have the immediacy of cable news or even radio. They are read for local news and community events and activities. that is what sells the papers, pictures of their kids playng sports, local rotary club events, etc. We'll that takes staff that corporate doesn't want to pay for. Then the bitch that subscriptions are down. Duh. A real newspaperman or woman understands the dynamics that sells papers and generates ad sales while the boys in their corporate towers are "businessmen."
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