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#1 Posted on 27.11.03 2141.20
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Call it a ploy, call it grandstanding, call it whatever you want to... I've been a few thou away from home at major holidays (all of them) and MY President showing up unannounced to talk to me and serve me my little turkey and Dressing ROCKS. Dubya might be the most hated president ever by one segment of American society (I'll never figure it out), but he sure has me won over, even more after today.

and if you say, "If it was so pure, why did he take reporters with him," there are lots of reasons. They expect to see the Prez all the time and if he kind of dissapeared, it would be questioned and might have gotten out. And anyway, it's a cool thing to record.

Darn it, it just made me feel good. OK, Threepme, bust my bubble with Dubya hate.



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#2 Posted on 27.11.03 2232.31
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I'm not a "W" supporter but kudos to him for the trip. My estimation of his staff improved greatly since they pulled this off without anyone knowing. Thank God nothing bad happened, An ill-timed mortar attak or an rpg or two would have been disaaterous.

I don't agree with him on alot, but I think his heart is in the right place and he does care.
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#3 Posted on 28.11.03 0739.28
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And I can certainly understand why some think this is a political ploy. But dammit, it took some balls to pull this thing off and you can just se on the footage the spirits of the troops when they're Commander-in-Chief strolled into the room unannounced.

This was awesome.
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#4 Posted on 28.11.03 0840.17
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I think it was a good thing...

I just wish the "good things" weren't so few and far between.

What would be really awesome...If he did this when he and his administration didn't have anything to gain (politically) other than some smiles on the faces of our soldiers.

That might be something that a great leader would do.

Enough "Dubya Hate" for ya AWA? Or am I becoming as predictiable as the "Bush Sheep" out there?

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#5 Posted on 28.11.03 1001.04
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    Originally posted by ThreepMe
    I think it was a good thing...

    I just wish the "good things" weren't so few and far between.

    What would be really awesome...If he did this when he and his administration didn't have anything to gain (politically) other than some smiles on the faces of our soldiers.

    That might be something that a great leader would do.

    Enough "Dubya Hate" for ya AWA? Or am I becoming as predictiable as the "Bush Sheep" out there?




Threep, I dislike Bush also and question every pols motives. But in today's world with 24 hour news and all, how would a president pull this off without any press. Even if he didn't take any with him, there would be press laready there.

And the realist in me says that no matter how pure the motives, any pol would be an idiot for not allowing the pub. Plus if you want the warm fuzzies to spread, people have to know.

I really gave "W" crap for the carier landing stunt, but he gets props for this.
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#6 Posted on 28.11.03 1002.14
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Cheesy political ploy? Yup

Grandstanding to try and get people to forget that the situation in Iraq is abominable? Yup

Created for possible use in political ads next year? Yup

Still a nice thing to do by a guy who I personally hope is about to unemployed this time next year? Yup

I don't like Bush, I think he's not a guy I want running anything, let alone a whole country. But watching the soldiers reacting to him was a good thing to see, and I will give him the benefit of the doubt (this once) and say that at least one thought behind this was to do something good for the troops over there, so I'm glad this was done. If that made the folks over there smile a little, then it can't be that bad.
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#7 Posted on 28.11.03 1108.08
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    Originally posted by ThreepMe
    Enough "Dubya Hate" for ya AWA? Or am I becoming as predictiable as the "Bush Sheep" out there?



Good enough, Threep. Ya did fine. I'm sure others will be here. :--)
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#8 Posted on 28.11.03 1117.34
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As a Republican, I had one problem with this (and no, its not because its a PR stunt, because everything is a PR stunt in the modern political world.) Should disaster have occurred and harm had come to Bush, that would have elevated Dick Cheney to President, coming into power in the worst possible manner. Can anyone see the type of vengeance that would have been set forth?
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#9 Posted on 28.11.03 1120.49
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Here's some supplemental info

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news? tmpl=story&u=/ap/20031128/ap_on_re_mi_ea/bush& cid=540& ncid=716

I understand the need for top security. but, almost makes you wonder how much of a threat all the "thugs" and "assassins" are...hmmm...But in all fairness, all it takes is one motor shell and then we got Cheney as Pres. Between those 2 evils, I'll take the one that I can make fun of.

Speaking of which, check out that photo of him stepping off of Air Force One. All he needs is 2 6 Shooters and a 10 Gallon Hat.


edit: spelling and "whoa, me and redsox had the same idea about Cheney"


(edited by ThreepMe on 28.11.03 0922)
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#10 Posted on 28.11.03 1505.32
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It somethieng the troops needed, and I was happy to see him there.

But Cheney as President? By Gawd...
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#11 Posted on 28.11.03 1552.09
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I agree with most everyone else. It was a publicity stunt, plain and simple, but at least this time he's doing something to improve the morale of the troops as opposed to more of his retarded cowboy "Bring 'em on" bullshit.

It was a good thing, although it was something done entirely to make up for the fact that he can't use his aircraft carrier stunt in commercials anymore.
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#12 Posted on 29.11.03 1142.57
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Word by word I agree with everything SPF said.

I cannot stand G Dub in any way, shape or form. 95% of the time he strikes a nerve in me that goes way beyond normal political feelings.

But saying all that, I'll give him this one. It was a very cool move on his part in going over there.
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#13 Posted on 29.11.03 1159.06
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Oh Christ. I cannot for the life of me figure out why this particular President always gets a collective media blowjob deluxe for some shit he's SUPPOSED to do. What fucking President doesn't serve the troops Thanksgiving dinner? I'm surprised it wasn't a "bold and daring move" to pardon the fucking Thanksgiving turkey also. I mean honestly, this is all it takes to be a great President nowdays? Dubya might be the most revered President ever by a certain segment of society (I'll never figure it out) but save this adulation for the people who are legitimately in harms way. Oh right, Bush risked life and limb for his country in a stunning and highly dangerous secret mission to Iraq to personally capture Saddam Hussein. Oh wait, that was just to serve up some Cranberry Sauce?

And, in fairness, I will ask the conservatives what they think of this story

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#14 Posted on 29.11.03 1200.13
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A very cool thing to do. It just raises one question for me, though...

He can go unannounced into the heart of Iraq and walk out just fine, but we have to spend millions on security and shut down our capital city for a diplomatic visit?
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#15 Posted on 29.11.03 1316.32
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blockquote>Originally posted by MoeGates
And, in fairness, I will ask the conservatives what they think of this story

I am glad Sen. Clinton went to Afganistan and am appreciative of her efforts in raising the morale of our troops as well. But there is a quantum leap between a Senator and a President. When's the last time a President entered a war zone? Even if the war's a little light right now? Was it when Ike went to Korea? I don't reacall Bill going to, say, Bosnia, during his time in office, to serve "cranberry sauce."

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#16 Posted on 29.11.03 1345.28
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    Originally posted by MoeGates
    And, in fairness, I will ask the conservatives what they think of this story
The most powerful figure in our party scooped yours' heat.

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#17 Posted on 29.11.03 1407.36
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    Originally posted by oldschoolhero
    A very cool thing to do. It just raises one question for me, though...

    He can go unannounced into the heart of Iraq and walk out just fine, but we have to spend millions on security and shut down our capital city for a diplomatic visit?



well considering we have about 75000 soldiers in and around Baghdad and he was only there for dinner, I dont think the Secret Service had to do too much.


Of course next time YOUR COUNTRY INVITES our leader to come for a state visit we'll bring the 4th Infantry and 101st Air Assault Divisions for security so we dont have to worry about you poor Brits spending money giving your cops guns. And well try not to drive our Tanks over too many lawns OK?
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#18 Posted on 29.11.03 1611.23
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If Bush came to Canada unannounced, he'd bring his security with him but the idea is that if nobody knows he's coming, nobody can plan anything to harm him. With London, it was planned out so far in advance that the entire friggin' country knew about it. Iraq was more of "Hey guys, let's go to Iraq for kicks!" and so they did and so they gambled on not being shot at.

That's that.

Classy thing to do, though, but too little & way too late.
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#19 Posted on 30.11.03 0030.39
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    Originally posted by AWArulz
    blockquote>Originally posted by MoeGates
    And, in fairness, I will ask the conservatives what they think of this story


I am glad Sen. Clinton went to Afganistan and am appreciative of her efforts in raising the morale of our troops as well. But there is a quantum leap between a Senator and a President. When's the last time a President entered a war zone? Even if the war's a little light right now? Was it when Ike went to Korea? I don't reacall Bill going to, say, Bosnia, during his time in office, to serve "cranberry sauce."

(edited by AWArulz on 29.11.03 1417)


AWA, didn't Bush the Elder go to Saudi Arabia dung the build up? Not a war zone but close. I also thought Clinton joined the troops in the Balkans around Turkey Day one year. Ike most certainly was in Korea but I don't recall any president in Vietnam.

I have more problems with Hillary going to those countries than Bush for one simple reason even though I am a Liberal. Hillary's visit was purely political while Bush's visit most certainly did raise moral.Hillary is so political that she makes Bill look like a choirboy.

Finally, NBC News did a man on the street interview segment with Iraqis and what they thought of the Bush visit. None of them seemed to think it was for them. Duh? A rather pointless waste of airtime.
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#20 Posted on 30.11.03 0222.09
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AWA, didn't Bush the Elder go to Saudi Arabia dung the build up? Not a war zone but close. I also thought Clinton joined the troops in the Balkans around Turkey Day one year. Ike most certainly was in Korea but I don't recall any president in Vietnam.




Didn't Johnson and Nixon both go to Vietnam during the conflict?
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