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#21 Posted on 27.11.03 1909.48
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Read it again, but don't think of Scooter as Scott Keith. Think of Scooter as any Internet writer who worships Benoit. If you concentrate on the fact that Hyatte is mocking Keith, it's not so good. When you look at it another way, it's a funny story and one that makes you question the actual impact of the Internet. And Gagnon sucks.

And just to save Zed time, "HEY! TAKE THIS OVER TO 411!"
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#22 Posted on 27.11.03 1924.55
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Grutman, don't say I suck just because I'm a columnist doing parodies who likes to whine all the time. Wait a minute...am I talking about me or am I talking about you? We DO have a lot in common!
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#23 Posted on 27.11.03 1925.01
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Heh, thanks to those flags it just takes a quick scroll down the page to see how much of anti-To3H talk thus far has been by Canadians. Considering the tone of the story, I have to figure that's not coincidence.

Fact is the utter ridiculousness of both the story and "one long Keith joke" is basically the roadblock Hyatte put up for himself to have to work around, and he did it. Again, I read it very first thing when I woke up this morning and was sick as shit, and couldn't do more than skim. Actually taking the time to read it a second time, it's fun throughout. Pacing is great, and because of that it never feels "long-winded"... since something really funny can pop out of nowhere (which was his staple back, as he puts it, "when he was funny").

So if I'm alone on the whole net about it (sure as shit wouldn't be the first time) I thought it was great. And pretty much what Hyatte's been promising was something that would prove there's nobody else on the internet that does what he does, and I'm sure there's no argument that nobody else c(w)ould've taken the time for something that detailed.

EDIT: ...and beyond thinking he's a good writer, I have no opinion of Scott Keith or the feud one way or another. Like Grutman said, if you simply look at him as a character rather than as character assassination the whole story is much funnier.

(edited by Barbwire Mike on 27.11.03 1730)
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#24 Posted on 27.11.03 1942.40
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My hate for the article has nothing to do with the bashing of canadians. I have read worse on that subject. Heck, for Hyatte's standards, it was pretty light on anti-canada jokes.

The one joke I don't understand is the "empty canadian gym" running gag. Especially when you consider that the United States is the capital of fat people in the world.
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#25 Posted on 27.11.03 1954.04
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    Originally posted by Dave Gagnon
    The one joke I don't understand is the "empty canadian gym" running gag. Especially when you consider that the United States is the capital of fat people in the world.

Two words: Julie Hart.



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#26 Posted on 27.11.03 2314.13
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It might have not lived up to the hype Hyatte put upon it but I thought it was still a very good piece of writing.
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#27 Posted on 28.11.03 0729.15
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Here's what I think: Hyatte has come up with a completely original way of arguing the tired 'Triple H buries people' debate. Over the course of it, he makes some very good points about Nash, Benoit, Goldberg, Trish, McMahon and HHH himself that are probably pretty close to the truth -- at least from what we read.

Hyatte is an excellent storyteller as well. I could visualize exactly what was being said, even in the more... graphic parts. Triple H's comments sounded like things he might say out-of-character. They really did. That is a talent, and I daresay a good 95 % of writers on the Net don't have that.

Was I crazy about using Scott Keith as the protagonist? Not really. It was unnecessary and possibly slanderous. From what I've read of the guy, one can't imagine he would EVER do something along those lines. To suggest otherwise is unfair. Even in the context of a ficticious story.

The Canadians part.. well, I thought it was just a tad stereotypical (especially Western Canadians adopting an Eastern Canadian accent) but I wouldn't have been as bothered about it if he hadn't named a certain name. It's just like generalizing any other large group of people, you are bound to stereotype.

However, give the guy credit: he did do some research. Timbits, haw! It was an original story, which is what Hyatte promised. In that respect, I think it worked.
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#28 Posted on 28.11.03 0831.23
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    Originally posted by grutman
    Read it again, but don't think of Scooter as Scott Keith. Think of Scooter as any Internet writer who worships Benoit.


*Girl Friday Hat OFF*

Thank you.

Read it for the work and not the names.
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#29 Posted on 28.11.03 1023.29
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My three stooges = Scott Keith, CRZ, Rick Scaia.

Members of IWCC in the story = Scooter, Y2Q, Anakin.


Those line up rather well to me. Not perfectly, but that's sorta the point--it was a convenient way to take some potshots, but there's more to the story than that.

I liked it. Yeah, two rape scenes in one story might be considered a little much, but if you reflect on the title and it's relation to an Anne Rice novella of similar name (ooops: An Roquelaure) it looks pretty tame by comparison.

I wonder if he'll continue the homage and write "Triple H's Punishment"
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#30 Posted on 28.11.03 1032.16
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    Originally posted by CANADIAN BULLDOG
    Was I crazy about using Scott Keith as the protagonist? Not really. It was unnecessary and possibly slanderous. From what I've read of the guy, one can't imagine he would EVER do something along those lines. To suggest otherwise is unfair. Even in the context of a ficticious story.


Probably why the antagonist (HHH would be the protagonist in this story, but that's neither here nor there ) was refered to as "Scooter" and no ones real name was used. Yeah SK is know as scooter on the net but that doesn't matter. Maybe canadian civil law is different, I don't know.

Plus knowing his rants about HHH, you could almost picture him at least giving some though to do something like that.
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#31 Posted on 28.11.03 1103.47
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No, Canadian civil law isn't different, not in that regard, anyways. I'm just saying that its pretty damn close to slandering his character, which is unfair.

And no, I'm sorry, but I don't think Scott Keith has ever given any thought to kidnapping Triple H. Think about how serious that is for a second. That's just preposterous. I don't know the guy or anything... I just think it's a shame to pin such a serious crime on someone because of a net feud. Just my two cents....
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#32 Posted on 28.11.03 1115.47
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    Originally posted by CANADIAN BULLDOG
    No, Canadian civil law isn't different, not in that regard, anyways. I'm just saying that its pretty damn close to slandering his character, which is unfair.

    And no, I'm sorry, but I don't think Scott Keith has ever given any thought to kidnapping Triple H. Think about how serious that is for a second. That's just preposterous. I don't know the guy or anything... I just think it's a shame to pin such a serious crime on someone because of a net feud. Just my two cents....


Now you're getting ridiculous! Its a STORY, not a news piece. You can't sue someone for slander for writing a piece of fiction that happens to use you as a character. At the outside most, you could sue for using a person's name in general, but if that were commonly exercised, there wouldn't be any fiction novels in the book stores.

(edited by DiscoDave on 28.11.03 1217)

(edited by DiscoDave on 28.11.03 1217)
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#33 Posted on 28.11.03 1146.28
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Okay, I never said anyone could sue anyone for slander. Nor did I mean to imply it. My point was just that characterizing someone as a kidnapper is... let me find another word here... damaging and unfair. That was all I meant.
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#34 Posted on 28.11.03 1214.25
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    Originally posted by TheItalianJob
    hyatte has written great wrestling novels. "alexander wept" and "the road" are certainely better.


Was "The Road" the one about an unnamed aged wrestler who was looking back on how the business had changed?

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#35 Posted on 28.11.03 1510.29
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Just because you can bang out some words on your keyboard doesn't make you a writer. Someone should tell Hyatte that.
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#36 Posted on 28.11.03 1522.31
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    Originally posted by Socks
    Just because you can bang out some words on your keyboard doesn't make you a writer. Someone should tell Hyatte that.


If that insightful quote doesn't make the opening of the Midnight News, I'll be shocked.

I'm utterly amazed at how much hate is being thrown Hyatte's way right now. I read the piece objectively and I didn't think it was that bad. Was it his best work? I wouldn't go that far. After all, everyone has their own particular tastes. But it was well-written and something Hyatte evidently put a lot of love and effort into and I think the end result was something that came out very entertaining.

I'm in agreement with Grut's analysis. Don't read this as a "bashing Scott Keith" piece. Hyatte wrote the characters with a deeper meaning in mind, but so far, it's flown over everyone's (sans Grut and Hardygrrl) heads. Obviously "The Taking of Triple H" isn't a classic by any stretch of the imagination, but it doesn't deserve all the criticism it's been receiving.
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#37 Posted on 28.11.03 2150.11
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Im sorry, but Im not buying any of this "objectivity" or "deeper meaning" stuff. ALl I saw was Hyatte saying "Scott Keith sucks, hes a loser and Im really cool, read me not him." Its pathetic. He spent a year working on that??? A bunch of views that hes commented on numerous times and two instances of anal rape? And thats good writing? with a deep meaning about the IWC? A new view on HHH?

Hyatte can be a good writer, But he has to let go of this Scott Keith thing. Nobody cares. Im tired of hearing him bitch about Scott getting all this attention. He should just write and shut up.

Over my head my ass, Hyatte loves to talk about how hes cool, he has so much talent, he doesnt take this "net" shit that seriously, and a life outside and how SK is a loser and does nothing obsess about getting Benoit the WWE title and watching friends and star trek and reading comics. But Keith never mentions Hyatte, and Hyatte spends the better part of a year writing a story about Keith. Whos the loser?


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#38 Posted on 28.11.03 2228.55
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I thought it was funny. Yeah it was over hyped. But it was a nice piece of fiction. Some people where expecting a life changing work of literture. And I see some are taking things way to serious. Good luck trying to sue someone for a free work of fiction. But stranger things have happened.
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#39 Posted on 28.11.03 2306.54
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You have to wonder what kind of life Hyatte leads when he takes the time to write a books-worth just to try and make fun of another internet writer. Kind of sad, really.

I didn't even bother reading 95% of it, but what I DID read was somewhat funny. But seriously, Chris, get a girlfriend or something.
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#40 Posted on 29.11.03 1942.03
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Well.....for a WWE yaoi, that was amusing
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