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#41 Posted on 6.12.03 0208.28
Reposted on: 6.12.10 0208.45
    Originally posted by Jaguar
    1) I believe the rule is that you cannot use Federal troops as law enforcement. However, State National Guard can be brought in.

    2) This is one of the things that I just don't understand about conservatives. The whole "What's mine is mine, and I refuse to share" bit. States like Wyoming and Kansas just don't have the population, the jobs, or the income to afford the quality of life in New York or in California. And I'm not talking about Plasma TVs and the latest Cadillac. I mean quality hospitals and schools. I just don't understand the mentality that provides us with, "I'm sorry Bobby. You may be an American citizen, but you don't get the same opportunities because you were born in the wrong part of America."

    3) I agree that the federal government is bloated and spends way too much on programs that don't work (I don't agree that everything should be blamed on liberals, though). But I disagree with the thought that the federal government shouldn't be involved at all.

    -Jag



The Coast Gaurd is federal, and enforces maritime laws, but I am not sure if that is the same as what we were talking about.

A part of my contention though, is that people in New Nork, shouldnt have to pay people in Wyomings medical care. It is just one of those things that personally, I think should be left up to the individual. But, thats just me.
I agree that there should be public assistance with making sure children are fed, and given shelter and medical care. At the same time, I believe that the parents, who cannot afford it, should be doing SOMETHING to pay the government back for that money spent. Even if it is just picking up litter on the side of the highway.
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#42 Posted on 6.12.03 2335.58
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Stager Lee, Iassume then that people in rural upstate New York don't deserve any love either. No One is saying that people in flyover country want you to provide them with steak and single malt scotch. They do need certain basic services and protections that all Americans should enjoy. Those hicks in the rural areas provide you with cheap food and many other things that people form the more populated parts of the country take for granted.

People out here aren't asking for handouts but help to survive. They will gladly pay it back in taxes when they can.
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#43 Posted on 8.12.03 1046.51
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Dr Dirt, I understand your point. I am actually from North East Mississippi, and was brought up on military bases all over the east coast as a child, and then joined myself in 89 and just got out last year. I have lived in poor, poor areas (Millington Tennessee, Jacksonville North Carolina). I have also lived in nice areas (suburban Philly, and Southern Maryland, south of DC). The problem I have with federal assistance is too many people use it as a way of life, rather than a helping hand until they can do better for themselves.

I have known people who didnt have jobs, but had several children, and lived at a higher quality of life than some of the people I was serving with in the military, thanks to welfare.

Maybe my views are skewed by that, but I dont think a 20 year old, who works 24/7 for the military should be ELIGIBLE for foodstamps, just like somebody who sits at home and refuses to work, or refuses to work a second job.

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#44 Posted on 8.12.03 1217.57
Reposted on: 8.12.10 1218.06
    Originally posted by StaggerLee
    Dr Dirt, I understand your point. I am actually from North East Mississippi, and was brought up on military bases all over the east coast as a child, and then joined myself in 89 and just got out last year. I have lived in poor, poor areas (Millington Tennessee, Jacksonville North Carolina). I have also lived in nice areas (suburban Philly, and Southern Maryland, south of DC). The problem I have with federal assistance is too many people use it as a way of life, rather than a helping hand until they can do better for themselves.

    I have known people who didnt have jobs, but had several children, and lived at a higher quality of life than some of the people I was serving with in the military, thanks to welfare.

    Maybe my views are skewed by that, but I dont think a 20 year old, who works 24/7 for the military should be ELIGIBLE for foodstamps, just like somebody who sits at home and refuses to work, or refuses to work a second job.




The trick is to set these programs up as help to get you on your feet and then bye bye. Don't penalize them during the transiion and make it unattractive to get off the dole. The reality is that most only stay on these programs for a short period of time and then become productive. Perhaps the real reality is that neither party wamts to solve the problem. It makes a great cudgel for both sides..

And no one woking as a member of the armed forces shoould need to be on the dole. I laugh when our esteemed President and Congress laud our military. send them to fight and dies and them pay them a joke for a wage/benefits. And that's both parties.
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