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#21 Posted on 25.2.02 2331.11
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Sorry I'm from the west coast. So I'm late on my comments.

But r0fl at page and christian
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#22 Posted on 25.2.02 2332.26
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I liked RAW. NWO was kept to a minimum but there was enough for those who actually still like these guys, a few good matches, good heel heat from Taker, Arn sold like nobody else, they found something for DDP to do (at Christian's expense), the comedy stylings of Bradshaw, and Mr Perfect gets to job in a main event.

The exploding cinderblock certainly wasn't very realistic, but it was a nice looking effect.

What exactly are they going to do with Jazz if they keep letting her squash everybody? Bring Chyna back to battle her? And what would Chyna wear since Jazz stole all her outfits?

If Jazz didn't wrestle tonight, wouldn't it have been funny if SHE was at the Friendly Tap?
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#23 Posted on 25.2.02 2334.28
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You know what Excalibur? The clip they did show, at that time Jericho was a face, and HHH was a heel. And oh how they cheered for Jericho, and oh how they booed HHH.
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#24 Posted on 25.2.02 2344.59
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My RAW thoughts:
-Scott Hall didn't really seem like himself in the opening promo. We didn't get the standard cocky, wise-ass interview; this one was a lot more serious and down to earth, and I wasn't sure what to make of it. Also, shouldn't Scott be the face in this feud? I mean, Austin absolutely brutalizes him, and Hall just wants a one-on-one fight. More proof that the days of clear face/heel lines are gone.
-Maybe I was the only one, but I thought Big Show looked good in his match. I was disappointed he was the one to get pinned, but at least it took a chair to do it. I'm glad RVD went over.
-I'm glad that Triple H is bringing back a little DX-ish humour now that he's a full-out face. Being hyper intense all the time isn't really face-ish.
-It's true, Booker could be a very viable face in the WWF.
-Did Hennig look lost during the middle of the match or what? During the standard WWF heel heat segment, he stood and stared blankly and used a few weak stomps.
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#25 Posted on 25.2.02 2345.04
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But it was Jericho that ended up looking diabolical (for attacking a man who was injured).

It's that turn of idea thing. It's hard not to love that plucky little Jericho who finally gets a win over big mean HHH, only to have it stolen from him.

In the clip, it's plucky little Jericho attacking HHH after he was injured (and putting him "on the shelf for months"). It works better that way.
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#26 Posted on 26.2.02 0129.26
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I thought RAW was pretty good.

Opening prom wasn't bad, because Hall did most of the talking.

I liked the Big Show/Storm/RVD match, and I liked to see the random participants. That was a hell of a tricky frog splash that RVD landed.

The blown ref spot in the Angle/Jericho match really ruined the flow towards the end of that match. This should have really been the mainevent.

Hogan/Rock card board cutout was way to long.

Austin/Perfect had no heat at all, it sounded like they were wrestling in a damn gym. Perfect looked like crap in this match as well.

The beatdown was good... hopefully we don't get clips on Smackdown of the nWo crashing into Austin's ambulance :)

(edited by BigDaddyLoco on 26.2.02 0251)
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#27 Posted on 26.2.02 0140.14
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the crowd sure didn't think jericho looked diabolical for putting the injured triple h in the liontamer.

you could of heard a pin drop (or a fan eighteen rows back yelling "you suck hennig!") when he took credit for putting trips on the shelf.
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#28 Posted on 26.2.02 0156.25
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    Originally posted by Excalibur05
    Post RAW comments only please (as per CRZ's desires). Hypocritical, I know, but it's what our leader asked. I'll just put the thread here for our use.
I swear, I'm THIS close to banning you. Just LOOK at this thread.
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#29 Posted on 26.2.02 0211.01
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I thought RAW was pretty good tonight. I'll try to condense all my thoughts into one message as usual, so you-know-who doesn't spit nails at me. LOL j/k...

I've liked Hogan's promos much better now that he's speaking in a normal tone of voice. Instead of going off on his WHAT'CHA GONNA DO, BROTHER! rants constantly, he's actually been speaking like a normal human being, and I think the quality of his promos has gone way up as a result.

Even while Hollywood was going off on his I took out The Rock spiel, did I still detect some of the audience cheering? Good to see that not everyone is mindlessly marking out for The People's Champion. Don't get me wrong, The Rock is much more tolerable to me than a lot of people, but it seems that a lot of fans cheer him simply because he's popular-- not necessarily because he's any good.

Wow, Nash got two whole sentences in on the mic tonight. Seems like a new record since he's been in the WWF. If I can be serious for a minute, though... why isn't he doing anything? Is everyone so busy waiting for Scott Hall to screw up that they're not bothering to do anything with Nash? Gee whiz, if you're not gonna give Nash a feud for WrestleMania, at least let him have a little bit of ring time.

...Yikes, what am I saying?

I like Scott Hall. I really do. I mark out for him more than any of the other guys in the nWo. And he sounded just as serious as Hogan's been sounding, which is great. Although I normally just think of Scott as a fun-loving guy, it's nice to see that side of his personality once in awhile.

Anyone really think that all Hall wants is a one-on-one match with Austin at WrestleMania? I can guarantee you with almost 100% certainty that Nash and maybe Hogan will interfere in that match. I do see Austin winning, though. Dammit. I don't think Scott's really a bad guy, he's simply a little messed up.

Dang. That's the first time I've heard Chuckabilly's new music (since I am rarely able to catch SmackDown) and it is as cheesy as advertised.

I found myself in the unique position of rooting for The Hardyz in their match against the tag-team champions. I should start placing bets with my dad, though, about how soon into the match we see Lita's Cheatacanrana.

When I first saw Jericho's videotape, I thought it was one of two things: Either his overturned win over HHH or a tape of him and Stephanie, um... doing things. Imagine my relief when I found out it wasn't the latter-- especially considering the fact that Y2J is married in real life.

(And another thing... I was frankly pissed off at The Rock, a married man, when he kissed Trish Stratus that one time. I mean, I know it's just television, but it's pretty common knowledge that Rocky is married-- especially since that happened shortly after the birth of his daughter. Rant over).

Arn Anderson on my television screen! All is right with the world. I loved the sequence between him, DDP and Christian-- and Arn's DDP smile made me laugh for a full minute. That was great.

Does Austin have anything intelligent to say? Or does he simply insist on saying the same words three or four times just so the crowd can get their daily What? quota fulfilled?

Intercontinental Title number-one contenders match. I agree with William Regal, I for one would have liked to see Lance Storm win the match. (I'm probably the only person in the world that would've liked to see that, sadly). The Big Show? Terrifying thought. But I knew RVD was going to win, just based on the buildup to it. Could we see a new Intercontinental Champion walk out of WrestleMania? My guess is yes!

I realize that Bradshaw not being able to get into the APA office (because the door was locked) was supposed to be funny. But to me, it was just plain stupid, even for Bradshaw.

Booker T beat Rikishi! YAY! But does he even have an opponent for WrestleMania yet? What is this building up to-- nothing whatever? Nothing whatever! That's very important!

Mark Henry won the World's Strongest Man competition. JR: We're looking forward to seeing Mark Henry return to the WWF soon. Me: I'm not.

Why, oh why, didn't Y2J show the clip of his overturned title victory? Because HHH is a face now, and Y2J is now a heel. So what? It would have built heat, showing that Jericho can, and has, beaten Triple H in the past with the title on the line. The lines between faces and heels are already blurred as it is, so what real harm would it have done? If I were Jericho, going into a WrestleMania main event with The Game, that would have been the absolute first thing I'd have done.

BTW-- The aforementioned Jericho World Title win over Triple H was easily my mark-out moment of that year. No question about it. What was it, 2000? Dang, time flies.

Even a 747 looks small when you're flying into the Grand Canyon! Uh, Paul-- there are little kids in the arena. And no doubt a few of them unfortunately got the reference immediately.

No WrestleMania preview tonight, huh? Whew. I'd just about ordered WrestleMania, and I was thinking, No way they're going to give away HHH-Y2J now, are they? The flip side of that is, if HHH had won the non-title match, I'd have to favor Y2J in the WM main event.

Molly lost?? NOOOOOOOO! She's a super-hero, she can't lose! What I wanted to know was, where the hell was The Hurricane when she was getting her ass whooped after the match?

At least it set up for an Arn Anderson ass-kicking session by The Undertaker which will almost definitely lead into a Taker-Flair match at WrestleMania. While that was going down, though, I was hoping that Shooter would play and Chris Benoit would come out and whoop Taker. I know, I know, he's still a couple months away. But they've been foreshadowing a Horseman reunion for a little while now, and they're making me nuts with anticipation!

Why was Jericho-Angle, a WWF/WCW World Heavyweight Title match, not the main-event? Oh, because Steve Austin just has to be in every main event, right? OK. Great match, by the way-- I would've liked to see this one at WrestleMania instead of Jericho-HHH-- but Kane had to come in and screw it up. Damn him, anyway. I hope Kurt delivers an Olympic beating to The Big Red Machine at WrestleMania.

Hollywood cracked me up during his interview with the cardboard cutout of The Rock. And I felt relieved, because it means that Rocky won't be making a miraculous resurrection like HHH did after Survivor Series 2000. Yet.

Line of the night: I heard it's bigger in Texas. The transvestite that was hitting on Bradshaw. Hilarious. The look on the APA's faces when they realized they'd walked into a gay bar was priceless. Hey, I was destroying the Chuck and Suck angle earlier, but that was a great segment as they really utilized it to its full potential.

When Hogan, Hall and Nash wished Hennig luck in his match against Austin, warning bells sounded in my mind. Hennig's the fourth member of the nWo, isn't he? I was frankly a little bit surprised when the nWo didn't stop Hennig from losing-- and Hennig didn't join in on the beatdown on Austin. This is suspicious, though-- look for further Hennig/nWo interaction in the future. Hennig is a former nWo member, after all-- and as a huge Horseman mark, no one's more acutely aware of that than I am.

Edit: Over-use of the word ass! Wow...

(edited by ekedolphin on 26.2.02 0315)
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#30 Posted on 26.2.02 0301.31
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When I first saw Jericho's videotape, I thought it was one of two things: Either his overturned win over HHH or a tape of him and Stephanie, um... doing things. Imagine my relief when I found out it wasn't the latter-- especially considering the fact that Y2J is married in real life.

(And another thing... I was frankly pissed off at The Rock, a married man, when he kissed Trish Stratus that one time. I mean, I know it's just television, but it's pretty common knowledge that Rocky is married-- especially since that happened shortly after the birth of his daughter. Rant over).


Uh, hi.

See, this shit we watch... it's drama. Like a soap opera. Actors. They kiss people. Characters. Stuff. Got it? Ok.

And uh, writers... they write this stuff. I'd be willing to bet that Rock didn't come strutting in to the arena that night with this huge brainstorm about kissing Trish because he thought that it'd be cool.

You even *said* that you know it's just television, but then totally cancelled that out by making an argument against something that you KNOW and ADMIT is fake. How do you do that?


I'd have stayed away from this, but that "following/preceding announcement" shit is REALLY annoying... but I guess it's supposed to be.

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#31 Posted on 26.2.02 0324.19
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Well, you know what Bobby Knight would say:

When my work here is done, and my time on earth has passed... I want them to bury me upside-down...

You know the rest.

But for the benefit of everybody else, I have adhered to Uber's request.

Anyway. The point I was trying to make is, with all the publicity The Rock had been getting just beforehand about the birth of his daughter, it was disturbing to me to see The Rock kissing Trish. I know it probably wasn't his idea, but that doesn't take away from my discomfort about the whole thing.

And your verbally patting me on the head like a six-year-old is frankly insulting, and doesn't make my opinion any less legitimate.
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#32 Posted on 26.2.02 0534.23
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    Originally posted by ekedolphin
    Well, you know what Bobby Knight would say:

    When my work here is done, and my time on earth has passed... I want them to bury me upside-down...

    You know the rest.

    But for the benefit of everybody else, I have adhered to Uber's request.

    Anyway. The point I was trying to make is, with all the publicity The Rock had been getting just beforehand about the birth of his daughter, it was disturbing to me to see The Rock kissing Trish. I know it probably wasn't his idea, but that doesn't take away from my discomfort about the whole thing.

    And your verbally patting me on the head like a six-year-old is frankly insulting, and doesn't make my opinion any less legitimate.



The thing is here that Rock has never acknowledged on camera or in character that hes married or he has kids. Unlike say, Undertaker or Stone Cold. So it fits the Rocks playboy character to kiss Trish. On the other hand if it disturbed you to see Rock kissing Trish (which I though they shouldve played up more) then you must have been really sick when Vince was kissing on Trish and Torrie Wilson, in front of Linda no less.
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#33 Posted on 26.2.02 0620.06
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Y'know, I thought of that myself after I posted.

But it has been acknowledged, hasn't it? Didn't the WWF show pictures of Dwayne and Dani at the premiere of The Mummy Returns? I could be wrong.

In any event, it has been acknowledged in The Rock's book, which was a New York Times best-seller.

What gets me, though, is this:

Dean Malenko was repeatedly trashed by announcers for his advances towards Lita. The primary reason for that being, He's a married man! Now I've watched Malenko for years, and I could have assumed he was married because he's 39 years old. But I wouldn't have known that for a fact if they hadn't told me.

Meanwhile, Rock can kiss Trish and they build it up as a romantic moment.

Although, devil's advocate, Malenko certainly tried to go further with Lita than Rocky did with Trish.

Yeah, it did disturb me when Vince was kissing Trish. (Other than knowing it was all part of a story). But it was supposed to disturb me, because Vince had put his wife in a mental institution and was basically putting her through hell, while getting a piece of Trish's ass.
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#34 Posted on 26.2.02 0753.44
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This may be another Unwritten Rule of Wrestling: "If the fact that a wrestler is married isn't mentioned as part of a storyline, that wrestler is assumed to be unmarried for storyline purposes."

Promotional stuff like movie premieres, books and so on don't count, because they occur more or less in the real world, and are not worked. There's no difference between the Rock kissing Trish on RAW and a movie where an actor has a love scene with an actress even though he is married to someone else in real life.
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#35 Posted on 26.2.02 0809.04
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Ah, but JR did mention it on-air that the Rock had a new baby daughter when she was born. I don't think he ever talked much about the Rock's wife, but he did mention the baby a few times.

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#36 Posted on 26.2.02 0824.18
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I try to look at it this way.

Duane Johnson is married. The Rock is not.

Dean Malenko is married. Dean Malenko the character is as well.

Something like a video package of The Mummy Returns premiere is not a WWF storyline, therefore showing Rock out of character and with his wife at that has no bearing on the character of the Rock.

JR did congratulate Rocky on the birth of his baby as I recall, but once again, it was out of continuity and therefore I don't consider it to have anything to do with the character of the Rock.

But that's just me.

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#37 Posted on 26.2.02 0940.06
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fer cryin'out loud, it was an over-the-top, fake-looking, closed-mouth, "comedic" kiss that lasted about two seconds. I can't believe you're even discussing it like it's something worth talking about.

And speaking of the Rock --

Hogan's promo talking to Rock's cardboard likeness reminded me of every high school jock that decides to act in the school play -- He read each sentence like it was an entire paragraph, consistently put emphasis in the wrong places, and overacted like the ham sandwich he is.

What's the point of lugging around that stupid wheelbarrow full of covered-up cinder blocks if you're only going to use ONE? Hide the damn thing under the ring like everybody else! Geez --

And does anyone know what the story was with Austin-Hennig? They floundered around for ten minutes like it was some development-fed run-through. What the fuck happened?
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#38 Posted on 26.2.02 1011.47
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The crowd just died half way through Hall's interview at the top of the show. That was really weird. He was just motoring along and then everyone seemed to go dead quiet. He looked like he was trying to find a way to tie things up and end it on a note that would pull them back in, but it wasn't happening and the three of them just kind of wandered out of the ring and up the ramp. I don't know what happened there.

He wasn't getting much help from the production side, either. Hall picked the camera that's up in the crowd and stayed with it, but they kept switching to the camera on the apron, which made him look like a moron staring off to the left.

I guess Rikishi is cool with the nWo murdering the Rock. And you know what? Deep down inside, I bet he thinks The Rock is cool with it, too. And they'd do it again. I dunno, I thought they'd already had Rock and Rikishi mend fences, and with reports of Hogan and Rikishi working at a house show, I was expecting Rikishi to confront them. I think it would have been a good idea, too - give the nWo something to do during the body of the show and let Rikishi coast through for a week with some of Rocky's audience connection. And if it ends with the nWo beating up the revenge-minded Rikishi, that can only help them, right?

I wasn't sure about the whole Jericho/Steph/HHH/Angle segment, either. Jericho got left in the cold so it could be HHH vs. Steph, and then even Kurt Angle manages to pop in and outwit Jericho? There had to be a better way to keep going with Angle vs. Kane...though I guess we should thank them for not relying on Jericho and Kane as the traditional Designated Tag Team Partners and going with Angle/Jericho vs. HHH/Kane. Yet.

Is Edge dead or something?
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#39 Posted on 26.2.02 1020.22
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And oh how they cheered for Jericho, and oh how they booed HHH

Jericho should have said, "I'm not a bad guy, I have footage!"






Er, maybe not.





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#40 Posted on 26.2.02 1034.06
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Best moment last night was when Kurt Angle backed into Kane.
Great comedic acting.

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