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Grimis
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#1 Posted on 17.11.03 1424.55
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From Saturday's WaPo:

Democrats will "continue to resist any Neanderthal that is nominated by this president" for the federal courts, said Sen. Edward M. Kennedy (D-Mass.).

Now correct me if I'm wrong, but if a Republican had said this about some nominated female and minority judges, wouldn't there be a march on Washington right about now?

Just asking...
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#2 Posted on 17.11.03 1445.17
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Yep, he meant that racially. He surely did.

Way to play the race card yet again, Grimis.
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#3 Posted on 17.11.03 1516.05
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Grimis...

May I ask who he is referencing? Is it one person? 20 people? Does that report sepcify?

Nope.

So, you just took that statement where ever you wanted to, eh?

Ok, I want to try!!!

Now correct me if I'm wrong, but if a Republician ate Peanut Butter on August 17th and discussed weather with a Jewish Businessman, wouldn't there be a march on Washington?

Ahhh, I love lack of context.
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#4 Posted on 17.11.03 1519.05
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Grimis, the funny thing about this is that the Dem's have held up 4 nominations as I recall. Four out of what, like 162. That means that 158 or so are not conservative Rep's or that the Dem's are fairer than you are trying to protray them. I seem to recall that the Rep's did the same thing during Clinton's reign and that was supposed to be because they were keeping Neanderthal Liberals out. I'm confused. The funny thing is for both sides, is that picks who are supposed to toe the party line often turn out to, you know, uphold the Constitution.
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#5 Posted on 17.11.03 1551.52
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    Originally posted by OlFuzzyBastard
    Yep, he meant that racially. He surely did.
Yeah, and if Trent Lott did the same thing you would be all over his ass like flies on shit.

Point?
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#6 Posted on 17.11.03 1621.46
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And if Ted Kennedy had a pattern of saying things which are bordering on racist and appearing to be anti-minority throughout his career, people would be on him as well. People do get the benefit of the doubt to some degree, but Trent (and most likely anyone else you're going to mention in response) have already had a few notches on their insensitivity belt.
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#7 Posted on 17.11.03 1631.51
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    Originally posted by spf2119
    And if Ted Kennedy had a pattern of saying things which are bordering on racist and appearing to be anti-minority throughout his career, people would be on him as well. People do get the benefit of the doubt to some degree, but Trent (and most likely anyone else you're going to mention in response) have already had a few notches on their insensitivity belt.






Does this mean Ted can't talk about anything involving sexual harrassment, ATF issues, driving and bridges?
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#8 Posted on 17.11.03 1643.02
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Well let's see, I don't know about him being called out on sexual harrassment, but I'm willing to listen if someone can correct that. I know of no case where has illegally used any of the things involved in ATF jurisdiction, unless you mean because he drinks, sometimes to excess he shouldn't consider the issue (which I suppose would probably wipe out most of DC), and as for Chappaquidick yes, if he supports a law calling for stiffer penalties for people who drive off bridges, I'll call him a hypocrite.
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#9 Posted on 17.11.03 1650.51
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    Originally posted by Grimis
      Originally posted by OlFuzzyBastard
      Yep, he meant that racially. He surely did.
    Yeah, and if Trent Lott did the same thing you would be all over his ass like flies on shit.

    Point?


With regards to Trent Lott - your analogy couldn't be more poetic.

You damn right - Trent Lott has a long history of saying racially suspect things (and that's an understatement). That does not make the entire Republican party racially suspect - at least not for that reason. Even if the quote you are presenting is meant to be racist - it does not make the entire Democratic party a bunch of bigots.

Incidentally, I wouldn't be using Trent Lott as a template for racial tolerence if you expect to be taken seriously.
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#10 Posted on 17.11.03 1731.00
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I think it is pretty clear that Ted was not referring to their race or sex... rather their ideologies.

If you hold something of a conservative philosophy, you are a neanderthal.

If that is indeed what he meant, the title of this thread is STILL appropriate. If you are not a liberal, you are backwards and unevolved.

Not as "sensitive" as the racially charged interpretation, but pretty damned insulting coming out of the party that is tolorant of "different ideas," and pretty well demonstrates that Democrats are blocking the nominees not on qualifications, rather, how they might rule in the future.
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#11 Posted on 17.11.03 1743.15
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    Originally posted by spf2119
    Well let's see, I don't know about him being called out on sexual harrassment, but I'm willing to listen if someone can correct that. I know of no case where has illegally used any of the things involved in ATF jurisdiction, unless you mean because he drinks, sometimes to excess he shouldn't consider the issue (which I suppose would probably wipe out most of DC), and as for Chappaquidick yes, if he supports a law calling for stiffer penalties for people who drive off bridges, I'll call him a hypocrite.






Actually, I'm talking more along the lines of how the Kennedy family made their money through the importation of alcohol through the years (with some of those years falling in the time period where alcohol was an illegal substance). That he's a lush is only a side issue.

(edited by redsoxnation on 17.11.03 1844)
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#12 Posted on 17.11.03 1839.18
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Ah...but if, for example, Bill Frist said something like that, I would be all up in his biscuit.

None of this takes away from the fact that the Democrats are holding up votes on judges based on race and gender. They can demonize all they want, but when Janice Brown gets elected with 70+ percent of the vote in California, the "right-wing Neanderthal" argument gets pretty fucking pathetic.
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#13 Posted on 17.11.03 1926.38
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    Originally posted by Grimis
    None of this takes away from the fact that the Democrats are holding up votes on judges based on race and gender.


So, are the Republican Senators of a few years back racist and sexist?

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#14 Posted on 18.11.03 0711.46
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Ummm doesn't anyone remember the incident where Kennedy pushed an older African-American woman when he was getting off a plane shitfaced?

I still laugh thinking about that!
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#15 Posted on 18.11.03 0814.00
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    Originally posted by wordlife
    Ummm doesn't anyone remember the incident where Kennedy pushed an older African-American woman when he was getting off a plane shitfaced?

    I still laugh thinking about that!







That was Ted's son who used to ride the little yellow bus to school. Unfortunately, he's also my representative in the house (and probably will be until all the old people with pictures of his uncle die off).
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#16 Posted on 18.11.03 0840.38
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    Originally posted by eviljonhunt81
      Originally posted by Grimis
      None of this takes away from the fact that the Democrats are holding up votes on judges based on race and gender.


    So, are the Republican Senators of a few years back racist and sexist?




Exactly. The Dem's are doing what the Rep's did to Clinton's nominees but on a much smaller scale. I find it amusing that people get all hot and bothered when politicians play politics. It may not be in the best interests of the country sometimes but it's not a surprise.
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#17 Posted on 18.11.03 1124.55
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When did the Republicans ever filabuster judicial nominees?
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#18 Posted on 18.11.03 1132.16
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    Originally posted by Pool-Boy
    When did the Republicans ever filabuster judicial nominees?
I'm too lazy to find the link, but I'm pretty sure Orrin Hatch made sure a few - or more than a few, I can't recall - of Clinton's nominees never even made it out of his committee. Technically, that's not a filibuster, but it's still a "partisan politics" type deal.
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#19 Posted on 18.11.03 1210.57
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It was more than a few, and while it wasn't a filibuster, it was the same result. They wouldn't bring Clinton's nominees to a vote, but somehow doing it with a filibuster (and to far fewer nominees, as well) is grounds for treason, or something.
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#20 Posted on 18.11.03 1250.48
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For the record, I never defended the Republicans non-vote on the Clinton nominees either. I am just pointing out that Ted Kennedy made what could be misconstrued as a racist comment and is geting a free pass that he would not be getting as a Republican.
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