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#21 Posted on 20.11.03 0756.22
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    Originally posted by MoeGates
    A professor of mine once told me "University Politics are so cutthroat because so little is actually at stake."

    Anyway, more on the subject:

    Click Here (villagevoice.com)


Just to give credit where it's due, that's originally from Henry Kissinger (I believe the original quote was "The reason that the politics of academia are so bitter is because the stakes are so small").
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#22 Posted on 20.11.03 0842.33
Reposted on: 20.11.10 0842.56
    Originally posted by MoeGates
    A professor of mine once told me "University Politics are so cutthroat because so little is actually at stake."

    Anyway, more on the subject:

    Click Here (villagevoice.com)


The Prof for my doctoral program always said university politics were so intense because no war is so bloody as when so little personally was at stake. Remember, we have tenure and that allows many to act like total dicks and the repercussions are small. You really have to work to lose your job. Universities are perfect examples of survival of the fittest and the workings of the food chain.
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#23 Posted on 21.11.03 1451.04
Reposted on: 21.11.10 1452.34
    Originally posted by DrDirt
      Originally posted by MoeGates
      A professor of mine once told me "University Politics are so cutthroat because so little is actually at stake."

      Anyway, more on the subject:

      Click Here (villagevoice.com)


    The Prof for my doctoral program always said university politics were so intense because no war is so bloody as when so little personally was at stake. Remember, we have tenure and that allows many to act like total dicks and the repercussions are small. You really have to work to lose your job. Universities are perfect examples of survival of the fittest and the workings of the food chain.


Eh? In one breath you say tenure removes consequence, and in the next you call it Darwinian? Maybe it takes honest work to achieve tenure (I doubt it), but it seems to take very little to hang on to it.

The idea that we need more government programs and funding for every manufactured crisis in this country is absolutely ridiculous. Given that TANSTAAFL, where the hell is all this money going to come from? I mean, if I can't afford a coffee every morning, should I write Teddy Kennedy and demand a coffee loan, or some kind of coffee grant? Perhaps we can establish a fund and name it for Juan Valdez. It's crap like this that is devaluing college education across the board. We are no longer being educated, we are being certified and shipped out the door; simply given a stamp of approval in the form of a degree.

I'm going to go now and demand beer money from my representative. We simply must deal with the problem of my sobriety.
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#24 Posted on 21.11.03 1511.02
Reposted on: 21.11.10 1511.21
    Originally posted by PalpatineW
      Originally posted by DrDirt
        Originally posted by MoeGates
        A professor of mine once told me "University Politics are so cutthroat because so little is actually at stake."

        Anyway, more on the subject:

        Click Here (villagevoice.com)


      The Prof for my doctoral program always said university politics were so intense because no war is so bloody as when so little personally was at stake. Remember, we have tenure and that allows many to act like total dicks and the repercussions are small. You really have to work to lose your job. Universities are perfect examples of survival of the fittest and the workings of the food chain.


    Eh? In one breath you say tenure removes consequence, and in the next you call it Darwinian? Maybe it takes honest work to achieve tenure (I doubt it), but it seems to take very little to hang on to it.

    The idea that we need more government programs and funding for every manufactured crisis in this country is absolutely ridiculous. Given that TANSTAAFL, where the hell is all this money going to come from? I mean, if I can't afford a coffee every morning, should I write Teddy Kennedy and demand a coffee loan, or some kind of coffee grant? Perhaps we can establish a fund and name it for Juan Valdez. It's crap like this that is devaluing college education across the board. We are no longer being educated, we are being certified and shipped out the door; simply given a stamp of approval in the form of a degree.

    I'm going to go now and demand beer money from my representative. We simply must deal with the problem of my sobriety.


Obtaining tenure is getting more and more difficult. The average Prof in our department averges 60+ hours per week. I didn't say there weren't consequences., Maybe I should have said you can't get fired. It is Darwinian in terms of the competition for resourses and salary increases and the building of your kingdom.

This is not a manufactured crisis but areal problem we must deal with. I hope and pray that things never get as bad as they could in this country. If they do, I don't konw what many of you will do. The government can't and shouldn't solve anything but c'mon it should be there to help.
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#25 Posted on 21.11.03 1554.00
Reposted on: 21.11.10 1554.08
    Originally posted by PalpatineW
    I'm going to go now and demand beer money from my representative. We simply must deal with the problem of my sobriety.


Well two things:

1) That's not a bad idea. It's not like any of my representitives seem to do anything else that earns my vote. Going on a beer run for me would certainly help keep them in office.

2) That's my new sig.

-Jag
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