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#1 Posted on 12.11.03 1229.10
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Matt Drudge filled in for Rush today, and started off the show talking to David Limbaugh. David said that Rush has finished his first phase of treatment, but knows that he has a long battle ahead of him. He said that he will return on Nov17, and will carry a full 3 hour a day, 5 days a week of broadcast excellence.

It will probably be one of the highest rated radio programs of all time.
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#2 Posted on 12.11.03 1329.57
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Ahhh...another fine example of how rich white america can get away with crimes.

Why do I get that image from Denis Leary's "No Cure for Cancer" routine..."Sorry, I fucked up!"

Fleh.
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#3 Posted on 12.11.03 1336.41
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Not that I don't see your point, Threep... But come on. Yes, he committed a crime, but it was a first offense, using and NOT dealing, and it was a pain-pill addiction resulting from a medical addiction.

How many courts do you know what would convict anyone, no matter who they are, given those circumstances? And if they did, the punishment would be no worse than a fine... You don't get jail time the first time you get caught popping pills...

(edited by Pool-Boy on 12.11.03 1137)
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#4 Posted on 12.11.03 1409.08
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    Originally posted by Pool-Boy
    Not that I don't see your point, Threep... But come on. Yes, he committed a crime, but it was a first offense, using and NOT dealing, and it was a pain-pill addiction resulting from a medical addiction.

    How many courts do you know what would convict anyone, no matter who they are, given those circumstances? And if they did, the punishment would be no worse than a fine... You don't get jail time the first time you get caught popping pills...

    (edited by Pool-Boy on 12.11.03 1137)


At least not if you're a rich white guy.
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#5 Posted on 12.11.03 1409.09
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EDIT: The mysterious double-post~!

(edited by OlFuzzyBastard on 12.11.03 1509)
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#6 Posted on 12.11.03 1420.25
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ThreepMe: Ahhh...another fine example of how rich white america can get away with crimes.

You could have done without the "white" portion of that. OJ Simpson proved that green is the only color that "really" matters...

I'm more interested to see how many of Rush's "point the finger" bellowings are taken seriously now. For some reason I think of Walter Winchell ("Good evening Mr and Mrs America, from border to border and coast to coast and all the ships at sea.")...he was treated like God until he tried to move from radio to TV and Mr and Mrs America saw their icon was nothing more than a spastic freak.

I think the analogy there is Rush's views, whether you agree or disagree with them, will most likely not hold a whole lot of water now that he's exposed himself as a fraud. That's the worst thing that can happen to any commentator, political or otherwise.

FLEA

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#7 Posted on 12.11.03 1458.15
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O.J. only used race when it helped him, and then promptly turned his back on all those who supported him. And regardless, the LAPD is pretty bad with race issues anyway.

It was pretty ridiculous that Rush was taken seriously to begin with. At the very least, he never claimed to be journalist, so I can cut him some slack there (unlike O'Reilly).

Rush has said some pretty intolerant things with regards to addicts that don't share his politics (or don't have the convenient excuse of a back problem), so it's very difficult for me to feel any sympathy towards him.
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#8 Posted on 12.11.03 1643.29
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    Originally posted by Pool-Boy
    Not that I don't see your point, Threep... But come on. Yes, he committed a crime, but it was a first offense, using and NOT dealing, and it was a pain-pill addiction resulting from a medical addiction.


Obtained ILLEGALY without a perscription through ILLEGAL means. Not to mention his other detox stints that he kept quite yet still managed to get back on the CABBAGE!

I'm not saying he should go to prison but this is the same country where Tommy Chong got nine months for selling bongs.

He's got no credibility now anyways (not that he had any before) because he's been lieing to his audience for years and being a big ol' hypocrite. He'll return to talk real slow and make everything sound important to mask his lack of any sort of talent.
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#9 Posted on 12.11.03 1648.16
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    Originally posted by fuelinjected
    He's got no credibility now anyways (not that he had any before) because he's been lieing to his audience for years and being a big ol' hypocrite.
Lying about what? (Did he say "I don't take pills," or something else?)
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#10 Posted on 12.11.03 1650.28
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    Originally posted by Pool-Boy
    Not that I don't see your point, Threep... But come on. Yes, he committed a crime, but it was a first offense, using and NOT dealing, and it was a pain-pill addiction resulting from a medical addiction.

    How many courts do you know what would convict anyone, no matter who they are, given those circumstances? And if they did, the punishment would be no worse than a fine... You don't get jail time the first time you get caught popping pills...

    (edited by Pool-Boy on 12.11.03 1137)


With the amount of pills we're talking about???Thousands at a time???

That borders on Intent to Sell/Distribute. I don't know the laws in Florida, but I'm sure that it is well over the accepted amount for "possession."

Possession, usually a fine. Intent to sell/distribute, judges are bit more strict on.
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#11 Posted on 12.11.03 1653.21
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I think you're all going a little overboard on the implications of Rush's painkiller addiction as far as his credibility is concerned. Sure, he might not be the best person to offer commentary condemning drug users or dealers at this point, but that doesn't render his views on any number of other political topics automatically hypocritical. I don't see how being a recovering painkiller addict means you can't offer an opinion on foreign affairs, government spending, race relations, or many other political topics of the day. If you're going to say that anyone who has made a mistake in their life doesn't have an opinion to offer, well, I think you'll find very few people out there worth listening to.
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#12 Posted on 12.11.03 2006.36
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    Originally posted by CRZ
      Originally posted by fuelinjected
      He's got no credibility now anyways (not that he had any before) because he's been lieing to his audience for years and being a big ol' hypocrite.
    Lying about what? (Did he say "I don't take pills," or something else?)


When the story first broke, he said on his show "I don't know what this is."

Just contrasting his "explanation" with what Wilma The Housekeeper said and it was full of half-truths and misleading comments.

Here's a link to the original article from the New York Daily News: http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/ 122839p-110349c.html

Here's a quote from Rush:

"There's nothing good about drug use. We know it. It destroys individuals. It destroys families. Drug use destroys societies. Drug use, some might say, is destroying this country. And we have laws against selling drugs, pushing drugs, using drugs, importing drugs. And the laws are good because we know what happens to people in societies and neighborhoods which become consumed by them. And so if people are violating the law by doing drugs, they ought to be accused and they ought to be convicted and they ought to be sent up.

"What this says to me is that too many whites are getting away with drug use. Too many whites are getting away with drug sales. Too many whites are getting away with trafficking in this stuff. The answer to this disparity is not to start letting people out of jail because we're not putting others in jail who are breaking the law. The answer is to go out and find the ones who are getting away with it, convict them and send them up the river, too."
-- Rush Limbaugh show, Oct. 5, 1995

--So why didn't Rush turn himself into the police and demand to be locked up? I mean that's what he should do to people who use drugs according to him.

He can offer all the opinions he wants but if he's saying one thing and doing the other in terms of drugs, who's to say he's not doing the same on other issues? That's where the credibility is gone.

But I'm sure there were a bunch of people defending William Bennett too.

Do as I say, not as I do?
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#13 Posted on 12.11.03 2053.15
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I am sorry- I just have to point out one thing-

Rush claimed that drug use was a destructive force on society. Exactly how does having his life thrown in disarray, people claiming that he has lost any credibity he has because he used drugs... others claiming he should be thrown in jail and the key should be tossed tarnish his word?

If anything, he will be an even more credible voice against the problems of drug use. His addiction DID affect his life in a way that his words never could. If Rush says "Drugs ruin a person, isn't that something he is even more qualified to discuss?

He should face the music for what he did... yes. He is 100% correct in every single aspect of the quotes you presented, Fuel... drug use is a terrible thing, and Rush should accept whatever punishment the court might see fit. This instance, in all reality, does not call into question anything the man has said in my eyes. He is still allowed to have an opinion, even if he was hooked on pain killers.

For what it is worth, though I think Chong's punishment was overboard, we are talking about a person who has delt with the law and drugs for decades. Hardly a "first offense." I have known several people of varying colors who have been busted for drugs, and in all cases, they were slapped on the wrist and sent home. If anyone can find an instance of black man who was sent to jail under the same circumstances, I will change my tune.

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#14 Posted on 12.11.03 2144.05
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    Originally posted by fuelinjected
      Originally posted by CRZ
      Lying about what? (Did he say "I don't take pills," or something else?)


    When the story first broke, he said on his show "I don't know what this is."

    Just contrasting his "explanation" with what Wilma The Housekeeper said and it was full of half-truths and misleading comments.

    Here's a link to the original article from the New York Daily News: http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/ 122839p-110349c.html
Okay, well here's what I found from that story:

Premiere Radio Networks, which syndicates the politically focused Rush Limbaugh Show, issued a statement from Limbaugh earlier Thursday saying: I am unaware of any investigation by any authority involving me. No government representative has contacted me directly or indirectly. If my assistance is required, I will, of course, cooperate fully.


Now, I don't konw if he was aware or not, so I shouldn't play the liar card just yet. I agree it's unlikely, sure.


    Here's a quote from Rush:

    "There's nothing good about drug use. We know it. It destroys individuals. It destroys families. Drug use destroys societies. Drug use, some might say, is destroying this country. And we have laws against selling drugs, pushing drugs, using drugs, importing drugs. And the laws are good because we know what happens to people in societies and neighborhoods which become consumed by them. And so if people are violating the law by doing drugs, they ought to be accused and they ought to be convicted and they ought to be sent up.

    "What this says to me is that too many whites are getting away with drug use. Too many whites are getting away with drug sales. Too many whites are getting away with trafficking in this stuff. The answer to this disparity is not to start letting people out of jail because we're not putting others in jail who are breaking the law. The answer is to go out and find the ones who are getting away with it, convict them and send them up the river, too."
    -- Rush Limbaugh show, Oct. 5, 1995
Forgive me, but I don't see a lie in THERE, either.


    So why didn't Rush turn himself into the police and demand to be locked up? I mean that's what he should do to people who use drugs according to him.

    He can offer all the opinions he wants but if he's saying one thing and doing the other in terms of drugs, who's to say he's not doing the same on other issues? That's where the credibility is gone.

    But I'm sure there were a bunch of people defending William Bennett too.

    Do as I say, not as I do?


Wow, your argument is so strong that you want to drag in red herring William Bennett, huh?

I'm pretty sure all the gambling that Bennett did was legal - and I'm equally sure Bennett didn't do too much time speaking out against gambling.
Bennett says he has made no secret of his gambling. "I've gambled all my life and it's never been a moral issue with me. I liked church bingo when I was growing up. I've been a poker player."

"I view it as drinking," Bennett says. "If you can't handle it, don't do it." http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/ 2003/ 0306.green.html



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#15 Posted on 12.11.03 2244.09
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The problem is that Rush Limbaugh isn't going to get the type of punishment he called for drug addicts to get because he's RUSH LIMBAUGH, a rich and famous shill for the Republican party. What I dislike about Rush is that his use went so far beyond a "pain killer addiction" stemming from back pain. He's a full fledged junkie consuming massive quantities of drugs to get high.

If he's so anti-drug, why did it take him GETTING CAUGHT to reluctantly admit he had a problem? And then he sounded like a junkie talking down his problem and not knowing how out of control he really is.

Why didn't he come out in the past four years and admit he had a drug problem and needed help? That would have been something the person he portrays himself to be would do.

I'm just sick of people that make their careers telling people how to live and then being a complete and utter degenerate themselves.
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#16 Posted on 13.11.03 0826.45
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I don't see how this will affect Rush's credibility at all. Of all the people claiming Rush is a hypocrite and no longer credible, how many of them felt that Rush was credible and reliable prior to the drug revelation? Rush is to talk radio what Steve Austin is to wrestling. He's worshipped by the masses who will follow him through thick and thin. His detractors may possibly be right in claiming that Rush is being hypocritical, but his fan base won't care, and Rush will go on being Rush.



(edited by EddieBurkett on 13.11.03 0928)
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#17 Posted on 13.11.03 1536.40
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    Originally posted by EddieBurkett
    I don't see how this will affect Rush's credibility at all. Of all the people claiming Rush is a hypocrite and no longer credible, how many of them felt that Rush was credible and reliable prior to the drug revelation? Rush is to talk radio what Steve Austin is to wrestling. He's worshipped by the masses who will follow him through thick and thin. His detractors may possibly be right in claiming that Rush is being hypocritical, but his fan base won't care, and Rush will go on being Rush.



    (edited by EddieBurkett on 13.11.03 0928)


I completely agree - which is why I don't have any sympathy for the man at all. He's just as likely to be full of shit as he is stumble upon the truth - and his fans could care less which he's spewing forth - as long as he's bashing liberals, he's their guy.

My only appreciation for Rush is that he never claimed to be a journalist - just entertainment. Doesn't mean I respect what he does, but at least he's honest about it.

Stern get's the dubious honor of being the Stone Cold of talk radio - but don't worry - I think he's a jack-ass, too.

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#18 Posted on 13.11.03 2307.24
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What's the big deal about Rush Limbaugh? As a political commentator he's beyond boring, as his "opinions" rarely stray from the official Republican party line of the day. The man has no thoughts of his own, and in my mind this makes for an unbearably dull discussion.

He believes that people who abuse drugs belong in jail. Only if they're not him, mind you.
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