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The Thrill
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#1 Posted on 12.11.03 1224.50
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(Sorry for the double thread, y'all. Could a Zim or one of their minions fix that, please?)

Damn the Seligs. Damn all of them. Just when the Brewers start to put a foundation in place where there's at least POTENTIAL for future growth... ...the Seligs may buy out GM Ulice Payne.

See...the Seligs wanna slash the Brew Crew's payroll by 25% to around $30 million...which would be lowest in the majors. That would probably mean saying so long to Richie Sexson and Geoff Jenkins. And Payne came out and said that might not be such a good idea when (or if) trying to field a competitive team.

Are they just TRYING to drive people away from Miller Park? I'd love to see Brewers fans (both of us) tell Miller, Usinger's, and all other ballclub sponsors that if the Crew goes through with this, and they don't pull their sponsorships, that we'll boycott their products.

For kicks...here's the Brewers' official site's propaganda on slashing the payroll...er, cutting costs.

UPDATE: Payne did tell the AP this morning that he's still Brewers president, and doesn't expect to hear otherwise.

And in all this, Ned Yost is in the running for NL Manager of the Year honors...rrrriiiiiiggghhhhhttt.
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#2 Posted on 12.11.03 1242.10
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The Brewers might be in the running with the Tigers for worst run franchise. They've both screwed up any 'New Ballpark Novelty' already, and now it appears the Brewers want to cut the payroll to make a run at the Tigers loss total from this season. I know Bud is still pissed that the Marlins, A's and Twins have destroyed his whole 'Small Market Teams Can't Compete' theory, but you'd think maybe instead of punishing his team for others success, he might look at that model and consider 'If we increase payroll slightly, it might show the fans we care and they might show up, so revenues will increase.' But, that's crazy talk compared to the successful strategy employed by the Selig's the last 2 decades, making the Brewers contenders in the AL and NL during that time period.
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#3 Posted on 12.11.03 1318.58
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Ever think that Warren Buffett should spend some of his coinc and buy one of these moribund franchises? He can at least make them profitable...
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#4 Posted on 12.11.03 1323.54
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If baseball were a monarchy, the peasants would've revolted about 5 years past. Just thought I'd get that out there.

That being said... isn't Payne the CEO and not the GM? Granted, the basic upshot of it is that the Seligs look to be driving more power to themselves, but from what I could gather, Doug Melvin's the Brewers' GM, not Payne. Granted, it's still an incredibly stupid and shortsighted move by a group of people notorious for incredibly stupid and shortsighted moves, so it's not a surprise, really.

Somehow, this reminds me of the story a while back about Cincinnati suing the Bengals for breach of contract ("competitive team"), only this might actually take place...
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#5 Posted on 12.11.03 1404.59
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Y'all know that Bud doesn't control the Brewers anymore, right? He left total control of them to who? His daughter? Oh shit. Screw the McMahons, this is who needs to kill the nepotism. Is Richie Sexson nailing Wendy on the side? How Bud is allowed to be the commissioner of Major league baseball is beyond me.
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#6 Posted on 13.11.03 1005.39
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    Originally posted by Whitebacon
    How Bud is allowed to be the commissioner of Major league baseball is beyond me.

He's a "former" owner who won't do something that the rest of his cronies don't like. That's why Fay Vincent was fired, because he tried to act in the best interests of baseball, not in the best interest of the owners.

As to the payroll slashing, if they really plan on doing this, why the hell do you announce it? This gives both Brewer fans 5 months to stew on it. If you're gonna do it, do it quietly. How they think anyone will show up next year is beyond me (of course, I'll be there when the Cubs are in town, probably Opening Day, and whenever Richie Sexson returns for the first time).

    Originally posted by TheCow
    isn't Payne the CEO and not the GM?

Yes, he's the CEO. He's been incredibly open to the fans, having held some very good "listening sessions". He's a fantastic cheerleader, and has done a pretty good job of increasing minority interest in the team (he's the first black CEO in MLB). His enthusiasm is about the only positive that this franchise has going for it right now.
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#7 Posted on 13.11.03 1124.44
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    Originally posted by Sec19Row53
      Originally posted by Whitebacon
      How Bud is allowed to be the commissioner of Major league baseball is beyond me.

    He's a "former" owner who won't do something that the rest of his cronies don't like. That's why Fay Vincent was fired, because he tried to act in the best interests of baseball, not in the best interest of the owners.




I know...I was hoping the sarcasm wouldn't get missed in that.
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#8 Posted on 13.11.03 1152.03
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Sorry - since I've heard that question asked seriously, I just ran with it.
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#9 Posted on 13.11.03 1239.09
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No sweat...hopefully it helped out someone who didn't legitimately know the answer.
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#10 Posted on 16.11.03 0919.54
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UPDATE...according to this article (ESPN.com), the Brewers and Payne are still negotiating a severance package.

The article, which got its info from here (Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel), also claims Selig's contributed $13.2 million (over what time frame, folks?) to the Brewers, via his 30% share of ownership...which is worth exactly $13.2 mil.

Then there's this one (Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel) which makes you wonder if the Selig family was out to get Payne for, you know, actually trying to make the team and organization better...and in doing so, get away from the Selig way of doing things...which gave us losing season after losing season after losing season after losing season...

I swear, this ballclub is as f*cked up as a football bat. No wonder I started following the Red Sox...

(EDIT: Whitebacon, here's what the article says about that:

    Originally posted by The Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel
    When Selig became commissioner on a full-time basis in 1998, after six years in an interim role, his 30% share in the team was placed in a trust. Representing that trust on the board of directors are John A. Canning Jr. and Mitchell S. Fromstein.


The question would then be whether or not those lawyers are piping up with Selig's opinions on any other issues other than capital expenditures. Hard to find out without having the FBI bugging Miller Park...hey, not a bad idea!)

(edited by The Thrill on 16.11.03 0953)
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#11 Posted on 16.11.03 0930.31
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I thought Bud had to absolve any and all of his ownership shares. He still has stake in the franchise?
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#12 Posted on 16.11.03 1907.01
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    Ever think that Warren Buffett should spend some of his coin and buy one of these moribund franchises? He can at least make them profitable...


Warren Buffett probably knows better than to get involved than the idiots in MLB.

Selig is the biggest weasel in sports. Baseball should drop him if they cared about anything else than protecting the owners' interests.
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