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#1 Posted on 9.11.03 0448.17
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I'm trying to do some research on a reference book. I thought I'd come here to get a little bit of help with a survey I'm hoping to use in that book.

Here is the question you can help me answer:
Who is your all-time favorite President and why?

To help a little, here is a list of all U.S. Presidents:

George Washington
John Adams
Thomas Jefferson
James Madison
James Monroe
John Quincy Adams
Andrew Jackson
Martin Van Buren
William Henry Harrison
John Tyler
James K. Polk
Zachary Taylor
Millard Fillmore
Franklin Pierce
James Buchanan
Abraham Lincoln
Andrew Johnson
Ulysses S. Grant
Rutherford B. Hayes
James Garfield
Chester A. Arthur
Grover Cleveland
Benjamin Harrison
Grover Cleveland (2nd term)
William McKinley
Theodore Roosevelt
William Howard Taft
Woodrow Wilson
Warren G. Harding
Calvin Coolidge
Herbert Hoover
Franklin D. Roosevelt
Harry S Truman
Dwight D. Eisenhower
John F. Kennedy
Lyndon B. Johnson
Richard Nixon
Gerald R. Ford
Jimmy Carter
Ronald Reagan
George H.W. Bush
Bill Clinton
George W. Bush

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#2 Posted on 9.11.03 0632.07
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Favorite president? As in not best? Cool.

I'd say Millard Fillmore. He's got the funniest name of any president, was the 13th president (same as my birthdate) and is in the title of the book I used to memorize the presidents, Hey, Millard Fillmore!

He beats out Slick Willy w/ Monica and Taft getting stuck in a bathtub.
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#3 Posted on 9.11.03 0838.30
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As a good Liberal, I have to of course go William Howard Taft, creator of the income tax

In all seriousness:

Favorite Republican: Teddy Roosevelt
Favorite Democrat: Harry Truman
Favorite Whig: I actually don't like any of the Whigs. BUt my favorite President from the Whig Era was Dem. James K. Polk
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#4 Posted on 9.11.03 1213.12
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Washington. I had to do a research paper on him in 9th grade, and I got to know alot about him.

Plus he had the chance to be King of America...not many people get that offer.
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#5 Posted on 9.11.03 1533.10
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I'll go slightly off the list and go with the true 3rd President of the United States: Aaron Burr. He got screwed over by a backroom political deal that kept him from his rightful place as President, rather than that francophile Jefferson. We would have been an American Empire a century sooner if the visionary Aaron Burr had his rightful place as President.
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#6 Posted on 9.11.03 1820.45
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I'll also go off the list and say Alexander Hamilton. The man created the National Bank, monetized the debt and legitimized American currency and markets. His loose contructionism of the Constitution was ahead of its time, and his bitterest opponent -- Thomas Jefferson -- sealed Hamilton's ideological victory with the Louisiana purchase.

Hamilton's management of the Treasury Department eclipsed management of the State and War Departments: he created an effective bureaucracy within a few years, whereas Jefferson and Knox just sort of sat about thinking that fewer than one hundred people in each department could adequately respond to the needs of a growing nation.

Further, Hamilton practically ran the country during Washington's second term, as Washington became ever more disillusioned by public criticisms, the pressures of the office, and Jefferson's ideological whingeing and stalling. During that second term, Hamilton played the largest role in shaping foreign policy.

Hamilton's political ascendancy might never have stopped were it not for three circumstances.

1. His Federalist partner and comrade, James Madison, abandoned him and joined Jefferson's side. It's been pretty substantially (or: as substantially as possible) argued that Madison was an epileptic. At the time, those who suffered epileptic fits were often viewed as insane, evil, untrustworthy or somehow fatally flawed. On a long boat trip with Jefferson, Madison "took ill." Shortly after said trip, he who had been Hamilton's staunchest supporter became one of his bitterest attackers. Many historian's argue that Madison's loyalty to Jefferson was borne of the notion that either Jefferson accepted him for who he was... or that Jefferson would allow details of Madison's epilepsy to leak to the public. Such a leak would have driven him from politics immediately. Which would seem pretty ruthless, unless you consider...

2. Hamilton, like most other men of the day, including Jefferson, had an extra-marital affair. The difference was that Madison, Jefferson and other Democrats were able to obtain evidence of said affair. They also privately discouraged (read: politely blackmailed) Hamilton from pursuing the Presidency and from carrying on with some of his more virulent public critiques of Democrats. They acknowledged that they were willing to publish the details of said affair (something that, at that time, gentelemen did not do).

3. Aaron Burr. I believe it was Samuel Eliot Morrison who wrote that (I paraphrase), "With one shot, Aaron Burr blew apart the finest mind in American history."

(I know that quote's off, but I gave away the Morrison textbook in which I read it, and I can't go doublecheck it right now.)

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#7 Posted on 9.11.03 2030.22
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Millard? RUTHERFORD B.HAYES BABY!! THAT'S the coolest first name of any prez (just edging out Grant and Zachary Taylor).
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#8 Posted on 9.11.03 2124.57
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William Henry Harrison (he died in thirty days!)

My short list includes Lincoln and both Roosevelts.
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#9 Posted on 9.11.03 2223.18
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Favorite of all-time is a toss up between Washington and Lincoln.

Washington - He established what the presidency was. Resisted the temptation to evolve an imperial presidency. Guided us well through a rough first eight years. And he retired allowing a smooth, peaceful transistion of power.

Lincoln - He was Lincoln. What he accomplished during the Civil War was amazing. His brilliance and compassion have never been equalled. If he had not been assasinated, his willingness to extend his hand to the South, provided the extremist Republicans were under control, would have resulted in a much smoother transition for this country from 1865 - 1960. he was an incredible man.

Honorable mentions: Jefferson, Jackson, Wilson, FDR, Truman, Eisenhower, Grant (yes Grant)
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#10 Posted on 10.11.03 0231.26
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Herbert Hoover

Poor guy gets has such a bad rep, I don't know why, he didn't bother anything. Really, he must have been a laid back guy, the RVD of 20's polotics. However, while living memory of Hoover fades, he will always remain immortalized as a line in the All in the Family theme song.

Yes 'we could use another man like Herbert Hoover again'.

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#11 Posted on 10.11.03 0638.58
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    Originally posted by redsoxnation
    I'll go slightly off the list and go with the true 3rd President of the United States: Aaron Burr.
Let's remember what else Burr did:

Nearly 200 years later, the exact details of what became known as the Burr Conspiracy -- Aaron Burr's attempt to detach the Western states and the Louisiana Territory from the Union -- remain unknown. But the conspiracy probably began some time in early 1804, just months before Burr killed Alexander Hamilton in a duel. Vice President Burr's political hopes in the East were fading by then. And after he killed Alexander Hamilton in a duel on July 11, they would die completely. But Burr saw a chance to revive his fortunes. If the East wouldn't crown him, the West just might.

Burr cast his eyes on the newly acquired Territory of Louisiana. The land was mostly unsettled. Its borders were disputed by Spain. And many of its residents talked openly of secession. Burr believed that with a relatively small and well-armed military force, he could pry territory from Louisiana and build his own empire. Perhaps he might even take Mexico.
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#12 Posted on 10.11.03 0835.03
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    Originally posted by redsoxnation
    I'll go slightly off the list and go with the true 3rd President of the United States: Aaron Burr. He got screwed over by a backroom political deal that kept him from his rightful place as President, rather than that francophile Jefferson. We would have been an American Empire a century sooner if the visionary Aaron Burr had his rightful place as President.


Grimis is right, Burr while brilliant was twisted to say the least. His greatest sin was murdering one of our greatest and most influential founding fathers, Hamilton. Jeb sums up his contributions quite well. Without Hamilton's vision, we may noy have made it as a country.
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#13 Posted on 10.11.03 1051.01
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    Originally posted by DrDirt
      Originally posted by redsoxnation
      I'll go slightly off the list and go with the true 3rd President of the United States: Aaron Burr. He got screwed over by a backroom political deal that kept him from his rightful place as President, rather than that francophile Jefferson. We would have been an American Empire a century sooner if the visionary Aaron Burr had his rightful place as President.


    Grimis is right, Burr while brilliant was twisted to say the least. His greatest sin was murdering one of our greatest and most influential founding fathers, Hamilton. Jeb sums up his contributions quite well. Without Hamilton's vision, we may noy have made it as a country.







I always have respect for Hamilton, as he was founder of the greatest newspaper ever: www.nypost.com.
However, it was not a murder of Hamilton by Burr, it was in the course of a duel. Dueling was still considered a manner of settling disputes in those days.
Of course, my real regret in Burr getting screwed in the Tie of 1800 was that it set the path for the Virginia Oligarchy with French Tendencies. 24 years of Virginia control from Jefferson to Madison (who I do say is probably the most underrated and underappreciated American politician) to the despicable James (Should I work for American or French interests as a diplomat. That's right, I'll work for the French) Monroe.
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#14 Posted on 10.11.03 1624.55
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Duels, eh? Hell, let's settle that 2000 election once and for all! Bush vs. Gore! There's your WrestleMania XX main event.
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#15 Posted on 10.11.03 2221.26
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    Originally posted by redsoxnation
      Originally posted by DrDirt
        Originally posted by redsoxnation
        I'll go slightly off the list and go with the true 3rd President of the United States: Aaron Burr. He got screwed over by a backroom political deal that kept him from his rightful place as President, rather than that francophile Jefferson. We would have been an American Empire a century sooner if the visionary Aaron Burr had his rightful place as President.


      Grimis is right, Burr while brilliant was twisted to say the least. His greatest sin was murdering one of our greatest and most influential founding fathers, Hamilton. Jeb sums up his contributions quite well. Without Hamilton's vision, we may noy have made it as a country.







    I always have respect for Hamilton, as he was founder of the greatest newspaper ever: www.nypost.com.
    However, it was not a murder of Hamilton by Burr, it was in the course of a duel. Dueling was still considered a manner of settling disputes in those days.
    Of course, my real regret in Burr getting screwed in the Tie of 1800 was that it set the path for the Virginia Oligarchy with French Tendencies. 24 years of Virginia control from Jefferson to Madison (who I do say is probably the most underrated and underappreciated American politician) to the despicable James (Should I work for American or French interests as a diplomat. That's right, I'll work for the French) Monroe.


Yes and no. Dueling while acceptable to gentleman was by the start of the 19th century illegal in most of the states. Also, what would often happen is the duel would take place but by that time both sides had normally cooled off and thought what the blue Hell are we doing. When the duel took place, it was fairly common for both parties to miss. Honor would be astisfied and life went on. That is the Reader's Digest version as seconds, etc. had a lot to do with it.
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#16 Posted on 11.11.03 1300.45
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Aaron Burr is the Trotsky of the United States. Every country needs a historical villan. And hey, I thought his idea to get New York and the other large states to secede was great. I'm tired of subsidizing Wyoming already.
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#17 Posted on 11.11.03 1447.14
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    Originally posted by MoeGates
    Aaron Burr is the Trotsky of the United States. Every country needs a historical villan. And hey, I thought his idea to get New York and the other large states to secede was great. I'm tired of subsidizing Wyoming already.


Burr was more than that. In many ways he was the prototype for the modern, plotting, amoral, meglomaniacal politician. Quite a leagcy if you ask me.
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#18 Posted on 13.11.03 1627.08
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From what I've observed, two days is not too long to respond to a thread like this...

Part of me wants to say John Tyler, mainly because I'm distantly related to him. His Accidency's reign as President may have been unremarkable, but that's still better than being condemned as someone who screwed a lot up.

I gotta go with Lincoln, too. I admire that he got to the top of the American political system with his morals and compassion intact. Then he maintained them through one of the roughest times in this country's history. I believe that his greatest work would have been done if he had lived to oversee Reconstruction. Sadly, I don't think someone like that would make it to the Presidency in today's political landscape, no matter which party he was with.
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