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#61 Posted on 11.11.03 1519.15
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    Originally posted by Mike Sweetser
    Oh PLEASE. Manos isn't even the worst movie ever on MST3K, let alone the worst of all time.

    That would go to Eegah, or possibly Wild World of Batwoman, both of which are really painfully bad.

    Mike, who loves Manos and WWOB anyway :)


My vote goes with MITCHELL. Or Tormented.
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#62 Posted on 11.11.03 1603.32
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How could you ladies and gentlemen go through this thread without mentioning Jeepers Creepers?

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#63 Posted on 11.11.03 1608.35
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Eh. Jeepers Creepers was a rock-solid 70s-style spook-out for the half, so it gets some credit from me. Of course the bat/fish/flying turd that emerged AFTER that point almost washed that credit away, but I still wouldn't put it on any "Worst Of All Time" lists.
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#64 Posted on 11.11.03 2222.14
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    Originally posted by VanillaSky
    What the hell is wrong with Vanilla Sky? It's got to easily be one of the best movies of 2001. The acting, the amazing soundtrack, the story...I don't understand so many people's hatred of this movie!


You liked that movie? I had no idea.

That completely out-of-left-field ending that, let's face it, made no logical sense whatsoever. (It's The Sixth Sense syndrome. After that hit huge, it seemed like every movie had to have a shocking twist in the final act that negated the entire movie. It rarely worked.) It was a damn good movie up to that point - and I agree that it's given people an unfairly poor opinion of it, but that's why.

(A similar fate befell A.I., which I would consider among the finest films I've ever seen... if it ended with Haley Joel Osmont asking the Blue Fairy statue to make him a real boy for all enternity - an amazingly bleak ending that would've totally fit the theme of the film - instead of those ridiculous aliens.)
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#65 Posted on 12.11.03 0856.42
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I didn't mind the ending of Vanilla Sky in and of itself so much as the whole "Well, clearly, audience, we think you're too stupid to be able to figure this out, so here's a character to just come and spell everything right out for you. Thanks, drive safely" thing.

There were no aliens in AI. The ending sequence after the Blue Fairy/freeze was even more bleak than having David there forever, if you consider what they really are, what they're looking for and how history keeps repeating itself because of an obsession with the "Who am I, who made me?" question. The "happy ending" rings hollow because it's not real.
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#66 Posted on 12.11.03 0931.38
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I was extremely disappointed with AI, it had so much potential to be a great film. Trust Spielberg to screw it up with far too much sentiment. Sometimes I'd prefer an unhappy ending, especially if it actually makes more sense.

The only movie I've ever walked out on whilst watching was The Birdcage. Terrible, terrible movie. Oh, and I thought the latest Bond film was the worst film of the 007 franchise, does that count?
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#67 Posted on 12.11.03 0946.57
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Wow, I thought Birdcage was a riot.


    That completely out-of-left-field ending that, let's face it, made no logical sense whatsoever. (It's The Sixth Sense syndrome. After that hit huge, it seemed like every movie had to have a shocking twist in the final act that negated the entire movie. It rarely worked.) It was a damn good movie up to that point - and I agree that it's given people an unfairly poor opinion of it, but that's why.


The exception is that Sixth Sense's ending actually made sense, and didn't "negate everything before it." In fact, Shymalan went to great lengths to make sure that nothing in the movie would contradict the fact that

Spoiler Below: Highlight text to read
Willis was a ghost
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#68 Posted on 12.11.03 1003.16
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    Originally posted by Big Bad
    Wow, I thought Birdcage was a riot.


      That completely out-of-left-field ending that, let's face it, made no logical sense whatsoever. (It's The Sixth Sense syndrome. After that hit huge, it seemed like every movie had to have a shocking twist in the final act that negated the entire movie. It rarely worked.) It was a damn good movie up to that point - and I agree that it's given people an unfairly poor opinion of it, but that's why.


    The exception is that Sixth Sense's ending actually made sense, and didn't "negate everything before it." In fact, Shymalan went to great lengths to make sure that nothing in the movie would contradict the fact that

    Spoiler Below: Highlight text to read
    Willis was a ghost
    .



I found the Sixth Sense swerve to be really contrived. Not that it didn't make sense, because it did, but the way in which it was constructed in the sub-plot of the film. Of course, it didn't help that the person I watched it with figured the swerve out 30 minutes into the movie, and then proceeded to tell me.
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#69 Posted on 12.11.03 1029.26
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The reason I found the swerve in the Sixth Sense so effective is because I didn't see it coming. After the scene where Willis smashes the window when his wife kisses the other guy (iirc), I actually suspected something odd might be going on, and the thought as to what was going on actually occurred to me, but then I thought, "No... that's too out there. They wouldn't do anything like that." So when the ending was revealed, I was surpised not just at what happened, and not just that I was right, but that they actually did it.

A lot of other movies I've seen since have had just as many *shocking swerve* endings, but I knew there was a swerve coming, and as such, I figured them out during the movie and wasn't as surprised. Movies like "The Others" and "The Usual Suspect" were good, but I'm sure they would have been a MILLION times better if I didn't figure out the plot twist simply because I knew there was a plot twist coming. Once the swerve is expected, its not a swerve anymore.
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#70 Posted on 12.11.03 1119.38
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    Originally posted by TheLurkingHorror
    Oh, and I thought the latest Bond film was the worst film of the 007 franchise, does that count?


So long as "The man With The Golden Gun" and "Live and Let Die" share the same series, no it wasn't. At least "Die Another Day" was HALF a good movie.

It went straight down the crapper after the swordfight, tho.
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#71 Posted on 12.11.03 1203.31
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Where does Caddyshack 2 fit in?
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#72 Posted on 12.11.03 1221.36
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    Originally posted by Enojado Viento
      Originally posted by TheLurkingHorror
      Oh, and I thought the latest Bond film was the worst film of the 007 franchise, does that count?


    So long as "The man With The Golden Gun" and "Live and Let Die" share the same series, no it wasn't. At least "Die Another Day" was HALF a good movie.

    It went straight down the crapper after the swordfight, tho.


What? You really think The Man With The Golden Gun is one of the worst Bond movies made? Scaramanga is one of the best Bond villains ever. If "Live and Let Die" is the one with Jane Seymour, then that definitely isn't a bad 007 movie either, IMO. I kind of liked the voodoo content of it.
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#73 Posted on 12.11.03 1222.41
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Never EVER diss "Live and Let Die". I love that movie. But really, I think "The World is Not Enough" is the worst Bond movie to date. "Die Another Day" at least had the fun spy-car battle.

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#74 Posted on 12.11.03 1740.16
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Best Shocking Swerve Endings:

-Chinatown
-The Usual Suspects
-The Crying Game
-Vanilla Sky/Abre Los Ojos
-Matchstick Men
-The Sixth Sense

Oh, and the worst movie ever has to be a serious film: Gigli. It took itself seriously, so it HAD to deliver seriously. Armageddon wasn't too serious. Plan 9 definately wasn't. Most B-movies could qualify as worst movie ever, but they're fun to watch because they're so damned bad. So, the answer is either Gigli...or the 1989 Alfred Pyun Captain America film. Egads, that sucked.
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#75 Posted on 12.11.03 1857.38
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Shocking swerve? Memento? Memento.

-Jag

Or maybe your memory isn't that good....
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#76 Posted on 12.11.03 1859.04
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    Originally posted by Peter The Hegemon
    Worst movie I've ever seen that was actually a big hit: Armageddon. I ended up mostly focusing on whether they'd ever stay on a shot for more than 6 seconds. (They didn't.)


Then you have The Core; similar premise, dumbed
down sci-fi cliches as excuses to show off your
CGI effects.

Rocky and Bullwinkle - how did George of the Jungle
end up being entertaining yet Rocky and Bullwinkle's
movie feel like a waste of 90 minutes?

also agreed about Superstar - what a waste, even
compared with the other low rated SNL-related
movies like Master of Disguise.

At least with horror movies and James Bond, you can
pull out your drinking and bingo games and have a half
decent time picking through them.

How did Titanic got voted ahead of its clone Pearl
Harbor, I don't know.
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#77 Posted on 12.11.03 2104.40
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    Originally posted by TheLurkingHorror

    What? You really think The Man With The Golden Gun is one of the worst Bond movies made?


Yep.


    Scaramanga is one of the best Bond villains ever.


Yeah, too bad he's surrounded by Roger Moore, Sherrif Pepper, Tattoo and Britt Ekland. I agree Scaramanga's a great villain. I just wish he weren't wasted in that movie.

Now if they'd used him in "The Spy Who Loved Me," that mighta fixed one of the few problems I had with that one--the villian wasn't any great shakes.



    If "Live and Let Die" is the one with Jane Seymour, then that definitely isn't a bad 007 movie either, IMO. I kind of liked the voodoo content of it.


I thought it needed more cowbell. Plus it doesn't really feel like a 007 movie, it feels more like a generic blaxploitation picture.

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#78 Posted on 13.11.03 0000.09
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Live and Let Die was so steeped in "cultured white man has to stay alive around all these 'negroes' " that the chases and the action get blurred by the really unpleasant racial-fear undertones. I mean, I like Bond films, but the "cheap social fear" aspects of this movie were almost as bad as those in Death Wish.

That said, I'm surprised no one has mentioned Jess Franco's Kiss Me Monster, the masterpiece of discontinuity, cheap nudity and non-plot. This movie makes so little sense, it hurts. Really. When you give up on the plot, you can take some enjoyment in watching two women, in evening dresses, get into a sedan to go to a nightclub... then arriving at the nightclub in the next scene, wearing pants and blouses and driving a pickup truck.
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#79 Posted on 13.11.03 0046.43
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Andy Warhol's Empire

As a statement it works, but as a movie...

SPOILER BELOW

(Empire is a static 8 hour shot of the Empire State building)

SPOILER OVER

Hope I didn't ruin it for anyone :).

Also

-Abre Los Ojos 1997
-Sixth Sense 1999

Vanilla Sky did not rip off the swerve ending from Sixth Sense, and though the swerve has been recently overplayed (M Night REALLY needs to lay off especially) it is older than film itself. Read "Murders in the Rue Morgue" and tell me if you saw THAT one coming.

(edited by astrobstrd on 13.11.03 1304)
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#80 Posted on 13.11.03 0111.37
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    Originally posted by zoggy1
    Rocky and Bullwinkle - how did George of the Jungle
    end up being entertaining yet Rocky and Bullwinkle's
    movie feel like a waste of 90 minutes?


Rocky and Bullwinkle is OK. There are some cute bits, and Piper Perabo is so yummy. ::drool::
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