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#21 Posted on 6.11.03 1248.33
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Goddamit.

The Democrats are making Gore's abortion of a campaign actually look good. I really have to wonder who so upset over his comments, as nobody complained back the spring.
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#22 Posted on 6.11.03 1429.52
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    Originally posted by eviljonhunt81
    Goddamit.

    The Democrats are making Gore's abortion of a campaign actually look good. I really have to wonder who so upset over his comments, as nobody complained back the spring.


Evidently enough people that he is apologizing everywhere. It was a stupid, ill-informed statement that panders to stereotypes on both sides. As far as why not then and now, news oulets need controversy. And sadly, this bunch is making Gore's campaign look like a well-oiled machine with a charimatic, visionary as its candidate in comparison.

I can't vote for Bush and probably none of the Dem's. Maybe I'll vote for Nader again.
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#23 Posted on 6.11.03 2331.38
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How does saying that a certain group of people, real or fictional, doesn't vote for your party pander to anything? Nobody was upset when he originally made the statement. Why the fuss now? It's not like Gephardt or Lieberman or any other candidate couldn't have known about it.
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#24 Posted on 7.11.03 0655.49
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I don't think Dean said anything wrong or out of the ordinary that nobody with a pulse can't figure out. The only reaosn he's getting dumped on is becasue the NAACP could get belligerent about it and cause all sorts of problems for him.
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#25 Posted on 7.11.03 0924.36
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    Originally posted by eviljonhunt81
    How does saying that a certain group of people, real or fictional, doesn't vote for your party pander to anything? Nobody was upset when he originally made the statement. Why the fuss now? It's not like Gephardt or Lieberman or any other candidate couldn't have known about it.


I think it qualifies as pandering by attempting to reach out to those people while insulting them as being the monolithic redneck vote. It's news because not much is happening in the campaign right now. Dean needs to be himself and quit trying to patronize blocks of voters. If his message really resonates with voters he wins, if not he loses. But you should lose as yourself sticking to what you really believe in. Trouble is, I am not sure most pols have any deeply hld beliefs once they hit this level.

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(edited by DrDirt on 7.11.03 0926)
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#26 Posted on 7.11.03 2336.00
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    Originally posted by Grimis
    I don't think Dean said anything wrong or out of the ordinary that nobody with a pulse can't figure out. The only reaosn he's getting dumped on is becasue the NAACP could get belligerent about it and cause all sorts of problems for him.


No, the reason he's getting dumped on is that the other candidates are desperate to blunt his appeal to both core Democrats and non-voters. So they'll latch on to whatever cheap, easy way they think can do that. This happens to be one of them. The Irony is so much of his appeal comes from not being a typical Democratic politician, and his responce to this comes off as a typical Democratic Politician's responce.

I had sincerely hoped that the other candidates would realize this, and come UP to Dean's level. Have some new ideas, take stands on principle, embrace the liberal position when it's right, and the conservate position when it's right, don't use poll, image, or hot-button politics, in short, just don't be that typical politician that Democrats are SO sick of. Instead, it looks like the other candidates are draggin him down, which is a damn shame.

As far as the NAACP goes, the same rule applies that always applies: When a potenial gaffe by a politician is made, the relevant lobby or interest group affected (whether it's the NAACP, NRA, Christian Coalition, NOW, or whoever) will cover for you if you've been on their side in the past, and won't if you haven't. That's Politics 101.

The interesting thing in this case is that while Dean certainly has said mostly the right things in the past, he really doesn't have much of a concrete record either way (since there's about 4 black people in Vermont). So I'm really not sure whether the NAACP would get "belligerent" or not.

(edited by MoeGates on 8.11.03 0044)
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#27 Posted on 8.11.03 2254.26
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No, the reason he's getting dumped on is that the other candidates are desperate to blunt his appeal to both core Democrats and non-voters. So they'll latch on to whatever cheap, easy way they think can do that. This happens to be one of them. The Irony is so much of his appeal comes from not being a typical Democratic politician, and his responce to this comes off as a typical Democratic Politician's responce.

I had sincerely hoped that the other candidates would realize this, and come UP to Dean's level. Have some new ideas, take stands on principle, embrace the liberal position when it's right, and the conservate position when it's right, don't use poll, image, or hot-button politics, in short, just don't be that typical politician that Democrats are SO sick of. Instead, it looks like the other candidates are draggin him down, which is a damn shame.

As far as the NAACP goes, the same rule applies that always applies: When a potenial gaffe by a politician is made, the relevant lobby or interest group affected (whether it's the NAACP, NRA, Christian Coalition, NOW, or whoever) will cover for you if you've been on their side in the past, and won't if you haven't. That's Politics 101.

The interesting thing in this case is that while Dean certainly has said mostly the right things in the past, he really doesn't have much of a concrete record either way (since there's about 4 black people in Vermont). So I'm really not sure whether the NAACP would get "belligerent" or not.

(edited by MoeGates on 8.11.03 0044)


The problem is that liberal pols have been effectively co-oopted by the attack dogs of the right. Somehow being liberal is viewed as dirty. The last true Liberal died in a Minnesota plane crash during his senate re-election campaign last year. Also its easier to drag someone down than elevate yourself. A true debate next fall between a real visionary Liberal vs. Bush would be enlightening for a lot of people.

The NAACP has been fighting for several decades to reagin its position as the voice of blacks in America, which it started losing back in the late 1950's when it started to be viewed as the voice of blacks that whites were comfortable with. Combine that with the scandals that have rocked it in recent years and as a group they are grasping at straws to be relevant.
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