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Lexus
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#21 Posted on 11.10.03 2200.46
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Okay, so based on what somebody has said determines whether mercy is afforded to them or not? What is this, high school?
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#22 Posted on 11.10.03 2320.49
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    Originally posted by Lexus
    Okay, so based on what somebody has said determines whether mercy is afforded to them or not? What is this, high school?


If that same somebody says that people who do exactly what he did don't deserve mercy? Sure. The man himself has said people like him should be put in prison.

Besides, it's not like he'll go to a real prison. He'll probably be a few suites down from Martha Stewart.
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#23 Posted on 12.10.03 0342.30
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    Originally posted by Nate The Snake
      Originally posted by Lexus
      Okay, so based on what somebody has said determines whether mercy is afforded to them or not? What is this, high school?


    If that same somebody says that people who do exactly what he did don't deserve mercy? Sure. The man himself has said people like him should be put in prison.

    Besides, it's not like he'll go to a real prison. He'll probably be a few suites down from Martha Stewart.


Or maybe he won't go to prison at all since, you know, we don't know any of the facts.
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#24 Posted on 12.10.03 1205.04
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    Originally posted by Pool-Boy
    I just want to make the clarification that I was not blaming the doctor, or anyone for that matter.

    I was simply trying to state that Rush was prescribed the drugs in the first place by a doctor, meaning it was a legitimate medical procedure. He became addicted to them. That is a far cry from choosing to become a heroine junky. And yes, it is VERY possible to become addicted to a prescribed drug even when following doctors orders, or else it would not be as common as it is. Pain killers that strong MAKE YOU FEEL GOOD. People respond in different ways. Perhaps he should have been more alert that a problem had arisen, but again- this is far from the horrific sin he has been accused of, and is getting smeared for.

    The doctor is not to blame, and the housekeeper is not to blame. The addiction itself is to blame. No action needs to be taken against ANYONE, not banning the drug, not bringing the doctor up on charges, save Rush kicking the addiction.

    Yes, getting the drug without a prescription is illegal. All I am saying, though, is that some mercy should be afforded Rush because of the situation. I would say the same about anyone under the same circumstances, rich or poor, right or left. Of course my opinion would be different if it was recreational in nature. The fact that they were prescribed in the outset proves otherwise.

    (edited by Pool-Boy on 10.10.03 1919)


The fact that they were prescribed is not in any way shape or form an excuse.

The doctors only give you so many for a reason. If your pain continues, then you go back to the Doctor (note I said doctor, not drug dealer) and go, "hey, it still hurts." Then the doctor goes, "ok, let's have a look."

Then they will use their massive educations and years experience to examine your condition. At which point, they will either A) give you more painkillers or B) send you in for corrective surgery.

It's not rocket science. Abuse is abuse is abuse. Just because someone decided to go against the doctor's orders does NOT give any excuse in the matter.

And to say that it wasn't recreational is BS. We have no idea if he is still in pain or if that is just an excuse. People justify addiction in all kinds of ways.

"I'm in pain..."

"I'm depressed..."

"I'm lonely..."

"I'm bored..."

etc

Just because someone says they are in pain does NOT mean they are.

That's where the doctor comes in. He examines you, he determines if the pain is legit.

He made a conscious effort to ABUSE drugs. If he was still in pain or still suffered from a botched operation he could have done something ELSE about it.

A man of his economic stature has more than enough money to open enough doors to receive adequate treament that does not include abusing drugs.

It's not like he makes $25,000.00 a year and can't get treatment.

He chose the easy and lazy way out. All the while, condeming others for doing the exact same thing. Not just once or twice either.

So, let's stop pretending that anyone gets any sort of special treament here.

Oh, Pool-Boy...

MAKES YOU FEEL GOOD = Recreational
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#25 Posted on 12.10.03 2041.54
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    Originally posted by Nate The Snake
      Originally posted by Lexus
      Okay, so based on what somebody has said determines whether mercy is afforded to them or not? What is this, high school?


    If that same somebody says that people who do exactly what he did don't deserve mercy? Sure. The man himself has said people like him should be put in prison.

    Besides, it's not like he'll go to a real prison. He'll probably be a few suites down from Martha Stewart.


I guess I just fail to see the logic in all of this. If I'm going to pity party A for bananas, I'm going to pity party B for bananas. If party A says bananas are beyond pity, and party B says bananas are well within pity, I'm still going to pity both for bananas. I mean, if somebody says they hate chocolate, but choose a chocolate cone anyway, we don't jump all over them.

I believe it's called "being the bigger man". What everybody is doing, however, shitting on party A for bananas after they said they hated bananas, and pitying party B for bananas irregardless, is shallow, and far from mature. Kill 'em all or don't kill.

And again, if you needed this excuse to dislike Rush Limbaugh, you probably didn't listen to his show enough to find anything else worth hating.
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#26 Posted on 12.10.03 2116.56
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    Originally posted by Lexus
    IWhat everybody is doing, however, shitting on party A for bananas after they said they hated bananas, and pitying party B for bananas irregardless, is shallow, and far from mature. Kill 'em all or don't kill.


I'm not shitting on the man for anything. All I'm saying is if the guy says that everyone who abuses drugs should go to jail, then he should go to jail for abusing drugs. I believe the phrase is "put up, or shut up." What's so difficult to understand?

    Originally posted by Lexus
    And again, if you needed this excuse to dislike Rush Limbaugh, you probably didn't listen to his show enough to find anything else worth hating.


This really has little to do with it being Rush, at least for me. I'd say the same thing if it was anyone, like or dislike. If you take a stance on something, that has to apply to you as well as the rest of the world. Otherwise you're a hypocrite, and it makes everything else you say pretty much invalid.
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#27 Posted on 13.10.03 0306.57
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ThreepMe you crazy bugger. I don't think anyone makes a conscious effort to get addicted to pain pills. Ask any number of wrestlers, I'm sure some of them have stories. Buying crack on the street is one thing; you know what you're getting into. Becoming addicted to pain pills strikes me as more unfortunate than stupid.
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#28 Posted on 13.10.03 0341.18
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    Originally posted by PalpatineW
    Buying crack on the street is one thing; you know what you're getting into.


Yeah, I'm sure everyone buying crack "on the street" knows exactly what they are getting into. I'm sure they are all sitting there thinking, "Crack - it has horrible addiction rates, it's difficult to kick, and is paraodied on TV as a ghetto drug... sounds great!" Yeah, I'm sure there are no other reasons.

I have no problem labelling Rush a victim of addiction (and don't mistake empathy for respect). But his reasons for getting addicted are the same as any crack addict - different drug, same reasons.
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#29 Posted on 13.10.03 0816.38
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I dont think that drug addiction is a disease. Some people are genetically predisposed to becoming addicts, but if they never took or abused drugs, they will not become an addict. Simple as that.

Rush is being made out as a big druggie, simply becuase of his former statements.

I work in a hospital, and I can tell you, prescription drug addiction is a very real thing. Something as benign as Benadryl, if given intravenously, can give a patient a tremendous "RUSH" (no pun intended). So, the drugs that they give for serious pain, be it, OC or something else, which is less LIKELY to cause an addiction, are generally tapered off before a person leaves the hospital. Only seriously ill (cancer types) patients and those with intreatable nerve injuries or other orthopedic injuries, are given scripts for hard core narcotic analgesics upon discharge.
BTW, here is what REAL drug addiction can do to a person:
http://www.lbstone.com/void/SWYUWZVHLI/downward.jpg
Bottom line is, if he would have just used an online pharmacy and had it delivered to his house, none of this would even be public knowledge.

(edited by StaggerLee on 13.10.03 0617)
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#30 Posted on 13.10.03 0818.06
Reposted on: 13.10.10 0821.03
    Originally posted by PalpatineW
    ThreepMe you crazy bugger. I don't think anyone makes a conscious effort to get addicted to pain pills. Ask any number of wrestlers, I'm sure some of them have stories. Buying crack on the street is one thing; you know what you're getting into. Becoming addicted to pain pills strikes me as more unfortunate than stupid.


No one ever says "Hey, today I want to get addicted to smack!"

Addiction is an unfortunate side effect of many narcotics.

Now wereas addiction is not something one tries to get, abusing the drugs to begins with (in this case going against doctor's orders and obtaining the drugs illegally) is a choice.

What happens to you after that is your own damn fault.

If you play with fire...
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#31 Posted on 13.10.03 0908.53
Reposted on: 13.10.10 0912.36
    Originally posted by StaggerLee
    I dont think that drug addiction is a disease. Some people are genetically predisposed to becoming addicts, but if they never took or abused drugs, they will not become an addict. Simple as that.

    Rush is being made out as a big druggie, simply becuase of his former statements.

    I work in a hospital, and I can tell you, prescription drug addiction is a very real thing. Something as benign as Benadryl, if given intravenously, can give a patient a tremendous "RUSH" (no pun intended). So, the drugs that they give for serious pain, be it, OC or something else, which is less LIKELY to cause an addiction, are generally tapered off before a person leaves the hospital. Only seriously ill (cancer types) patients and those with intreatable nerve injuries or other orthopedic injuries, are given scripts for hard core narcotic analgesics upon discharge.
    BTW, here is what REAL drug addiction can do to a person:
    http://www.lbstone.com/void/SWYUWZVHLI/downward.jpg
    Bottom line is, if he would have just used an online pharmacy and had it delivered to his house, none of this would even be public knowledge.

    (edited by StaggerLee on 13.10.03 0617)


Wait, what was your point?

-Jag
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#32 Posted on 13.10.03 1046.20
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What if the exact same story broke, the exact same way, only the drug addict was former President Clinton? How would Rush Limbaugh handle it? How would Rush Limbaugh react to the news coverage? Here's one theory:

"Lots to talk about today. You all know already that Bill Clinton, our former president, has admitted an addiction to prescription drugs.

"It's interesting to see the way the liberal media are playing this. I'm looking at a copy of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, the Saturday, October 11th, edition - the day after the big announcement. Well, the story is on Page 2, and right next to his photograph, in large boldface print, is the following quote: 'I take full responsibility for this problem.'

"That's interesting, folks, because if you look at his actual statement - not what the liberal media say he said, but what he really said - you get a different take on it. First, he says he's got back problems. So he's blaming it on that. Then he says he had surgery, but the surgery wasn't successful. So he's blaming it on the doctors. Then he says the pain medication was addictive. So he's blaming it on the pharmaceutical companies. Folks, he blames it on everybody but himself! But as long as he puts in that obligatory line about taking responsibility, that's what the liberal media are going to grab: Clinton takes full responsibility!

"Here's another interesting thing in his statement. I love this one. He says a lot of athletes have admitted drug problems and have been treated like heroes. Huh? Can you name one athlete who admitted a drug problem and was then treated like a hero? How about Darryl Strawberry? Maybe liberals thought Strawberry was a hero, but I don't think most of us felt that way. And then Clinton says, 'I refuse to let anyone think I'm doing something heroic here.'

"You want to know what that's about? He's telling his friends in the liberal media how he wants this thing played. He wants to be called a hero for admitting his problem. That's why liberals confuse so many people. They mean the opposite of what they say.

"And I'm telling you folks, the liberal media are going to do it. He's going to be a hero. I can already see the spin on this: Clinton accepts responsibility! Doesn't blame others!

"I know you don't believe me - 'Rush, not even the liberal media can pull that one off!' - but just watch. I'm telling you. Just watch.

"Another thing. I heard him on the radio the other day. He was whimpering, 'I want to tell you about this because you're like family to me.' If there are any liberals out there listening, I'd like to ask you this: Weren't you people like family six weeks ago? How about six months ago? Two years ago? But he didn't feel the need to tell you then, did he? So why now? You think it could be because he's been caught? Because his high-priced attorney has told him he'd better act remorseful?

"Speaking of getting caught, have any of you read about those tapes and e-mails the cops have? Heh, heh, heh. You won't read them in the mainstream press, or hear about them on the Clinton News Network, but they're a hoot. He sounds like he's auditioning for a part in the next Cheech and Chong movie. He calls money "cabbage," and he refers to his favorite pills as "blue babes." It's always interesting to hear the way somebody talks when he thinks nobody is listening.

"I know what liberals are going to say: 'This is a time for compassion.' Let me be very clear about this, folks. I have compassion. But my compassion is for all the people who believed in the guy. He was their shining star. He could do no wrong. But you know something? I probably don't have to worry. Because his followers are going to still believe in him. That's the thing about liberals! You can't convince them! You can show them the facts. You can say, 'Look, here is what he really said, and here is what he really did,' but they don't want to know the truth. That's the big difference between them and us. Liberals are afraid of the truth."
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#33 Posted on 13.10.03 1753.36
Reposted on: 13.10.10 1754.16
    Originally posted by Jaguar
    Wait, what was your point?

    -Jag


Drugs are bad.
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#34 Posted on 14.10.03 0002.04
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Brett Favre is one athlete I can think of who "admitted an addiction and was still treated like a hero." Then again, Favre's addiction to painkillers seemed is far different than Strawberry jumping into a mound of cocaine ala Tony Montana.
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