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#1 Posted on 8.10.03 1318.37
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Alright color me confused... Over on 1Bob they have a commentary about the trade between SD and Raw of refs (Nick Patrick for Mike Chioda) and it's stated It will be interesting to see if Tazz and Michael Cole take him to task for all of the blatant double-teaming that happens right in front of him that he never does anything about. Tazz and Cole are usually all over the refs when that stuff happens and Patrick is famous for having it go on in his matches.

I thought *all* refs were famous for having it go in their matches. It was just that Nick seems to have been the official Raw tag team ref so of course there's going to be more of it going on. Am I just not watching that aspect of it enough that I don't notice the difference between refs on that aspect of the show?
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#2 Posted on 8.10.03 1330.01
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I think the referee's try to craft their own personalities and add them to the match. Nick Patrick has always been the kinda shady, way too leniat referee. Even before his nWo turn, he used to allow wrestlers to bend the "rules" more then any other ref. I have some WCW PPV from 94 where Schiavone explains that Nick Patrick was going to be a wrestler (His father was The Assasain) but an injury derailed his career. Therefore, as a referee he likes to see the wrestlers settle it and be leniat on the rules.

My favorite refs right now are probably Little Naitch and Brian Hebner.
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#3 Posted on 8.10.03 1333.11
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Yeah, aren't all refs blind and deaf? I mean, JR tried to sell the Orton RKO on Cade as taking place behind the ref's back despite Orton running the length of the ring and landing right behind the ref.

Come on, not seeing a move might be understandable. But not realizing the mat is moving, not hearing the impact and landing, not noticing the crowd's reaction and turning around out of curiosity ... my disbelief is willing to be suspended, but it has it's pride.

Refs=saps.
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#4 Posted on 8.10.03 1436.32
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I thought the rule was that a ref has to visually see something or else they can't make a ruling on it. That's why they can't go by hearing alone.
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#5 Posted on 8.10.03 1449.40
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I'm a big Nick Patrick mark, actually. I like how he plays up the 'heel ref' role, and they bring up his lineage.
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#6 Posted on 8.10.03 1508.57
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I DID notice that Mike Chioda was on RAW and not Smackdown!, and I was wondering what was up with that.
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#7 Posted on 8.10.03 1513.43
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    Originally posted by Scott Summets
    I thought the rule was that a ref has to visually see something or else they can't make a ruling on it. That's why they can't go by hearing alone.

Which is contradicted by the "didn't see face team make a tag = disallow, didn't see heel team make a tag (but heard a slap) = OK" instances.
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#8 Posted on 8.10.03 1555.57
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i always saw wrestling Refs to be parodies of Sports Refs (Football, Basketball, Hockey, etc).

Blind as a bat, dumb as a box of rocks and always, always, making a bad call. (except for when drama dictates otherwise)
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#9 Posted on 8.10.03 1629.53
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I hope Cole and Tazz do ride Patrick for it, even if that is supposed to be part of his referee personality. I find that the way Tazz calls a match as an actual sporting event very refreshing, as opposed to how JR and Lawler treat everything as part of the show. We know that the heels cheat and the refs are inept, but not caring about the details makes it harder to suspend belief. I appreciate how Tazz's commentary makes it easier to pretend what I'm watching is for real, even if it is only a couple hours a week.
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#10 Posted on 8.10.03 1702.42
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The heel blind tag is actually more of a way to get some heat, so it's not only the wrestlers who get the crowd going. I do it all the time.

One of my favorite lines to yell out is actually "That's ok, I heard it!". Or "I'm sorry, but I CAN'T turn around until you get back in your corner!" in case of illegal double-teaming.

Refs are SUPPOSED to be saps. All while trying to appear like their in charge, so it's a challenge. I defy anyone to give it a try and be successful right off the bat.
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#11 Posted on 8.10.03 2015.09
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I had a chance to talk with one of the refs at RAW event this past year, can't remember his name, he has only been with them about 5 years. He was pretty nice...unfortuanly I didn't get to chat with him to long. Intermission was about over. I've always enjoyed watching the man in the "middle" of all the action. They can add to the match just as much as the talent. If they weren't there we wouldn't have the magic of Professional Wrestling ;-)
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#12 Posted on 8.10.03 2205.18
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Well I wasn't trying to pick on refs. I guess I was thinking that the ref is really there to make the match "flow" nicely. I thought they were there more as helpers. So I guess it seems that if refs "act" differently, it would cause issues. I mean you've got one person calling the match (actually how does that work in tag matches). Who makes the determination that it's time to make the hot tag? Or to word it differently, does the ref get told, "Hey miss those first couple of tags" or does the wrestler have to keep trying and when the ref has the appropriate sign, he allows the tag?

And a lot of times it seems as though the wrestler (or valet) is supposed to keep the ref busy for a period of time. It would seem that at least part of that dynamic would be up to the wrestler as he would have to give the ref a sign that it should be turn around. If a ref has a different "philosophy" on when to turn around, how does the wrestler know when to give the guy the sign?

Probably overanalyzing at this point, but I realized it was something I hadn't really thought about much before...
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#13 Posted on 9.10.03 0118.58
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I hate to break kayfabe here; but normally in tag matches, when a heel goes to antagonize a face who's waiting for a tag, that's usually a sign I'll end up with my back turned, trying to push him back, while the heels do a number on his partner.

As for tags, hell, 3/4 of the time I tend to forget who's legal as I'm way too much into the match or staying focused if I'm involved in the finish (ref bump, physicality, etc.) Most of the time it's during the hot tag when the babyface does the big comeback. So the crowd could care less.
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#14 Posted on 9.10.03 0210.47
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    Originally posted by Tod deKindes
    I hate to break kayfabe here; but normally in tag matches, when a heel goes to antagonize a face who's waiting for a tag, that's usually a sign I'll end up with my back turned, trying to push him back, while the heels do a number on his partner.


NOOOOOOooooooo!!!! You've ruined the magic!

Actually, I think the hardest part of what you do is to NOT be noticed during the match, except when the specific time calls for it (like mentioned above, when allowing a doubleteam).

I've found that the best refs are the ones that you don't even notice in the ring until they start counting, which is an amazing thing when you consider that there's three people in the center stage in front of sometimes thousands of people, and the main job of one of the guys is just not to be noticed.


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#15 Posted on 9.10.03 0213.55
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All I was told when I started: "Stay out of the way."

Don't be too much in the guys' path, and speak up at the right time, like when arguing a two-count with a heel.
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#16 Posted on 9.10.03 0807.44
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    Originally posted by Tod deKindes
    All I was told when I started: "Stay out of the way."
Except when one has to take a bump and fall unconscious just as the face is about to pin the heel for a guaranteed 3-count. :)
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#17 Posted on 9.10.03 1704.06
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    Originally posted by Tod deKindes
    I hate to break kayfabe here;


Umm, when the heck did we ever keep Kayfabe here?!?


    Originally posted by Tribal Prophet
    I've found that the best refs are the ones that you don't even notice in the ring until they start counting, which is an amazing thing when you consider that there's three people in the center stage in front of sometimes thousands of people, and the main job of one of the guys is just not to be noticed.


    Tribal Prophet


Umm...Good observation...umm couldn't put it any better.

(edited by jwrestle on 9.10.03 1507)
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#18 Posted on 10.10.03 1330.31
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    Originally posted by fuelinjected
    >My favorite refs right now are probably Little Naitch and Brian Hebner.
My personal favorite is Little Naitch, simply because of that touching article in WWE Magazine concerning his wife's passing. That was the most touching article I'd ever read in a WWE publication, and that made him my favorite for now and for always.
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