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El Nastio
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#1 Posted on 3.10.03 0002.05
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Liberal majority. Personally, as much as I dislike most of the current Tory crop, I still would've rather have seen them win than the liberal party. I live in Baird's riding (Nepean-Caerlton) but was regestered for Ottawa West-Nepean. Turns out that the guy I WANTED to vote for won (Baird) and the guy I DID vote for (Guzzo) lost.


Get ready to open up the pocket books soon, Dalton gots to pay for his new "programs" eventually.

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#2 Posted on 4.10.03 0910.49
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Ha the response and apathy to this thread is representative of the 52% voter turnout on Thursday.

I was starting to get a liking for Eves but he had no chance, his predecessor really Mike Harris really left him holding the bag... It's probably for the best after a decade of the Tories that the Liberals are in charge. There has been alot of bad blood build towards the conservatives.
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#3 Posted on 4.10.03 1236.22
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    Originally posted by Net Hack Slasher
    There has been alot of bad blood build towards the conservatives.


And that may be unfair.

I was living in Ottawa when Harris was elected, and lived there for four years of the PC government. He made promises during the election, and actually stuck to them. He made cuts in education and health care, but he TOLD the people of Ontario he was going to do that if elected.

They voted him in, then turned on him when he actually started to do the things he said he would do. Actually keeping his campaign promises is eventually what did him in, and I think that carried over to Eves' run as premier.
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#4 Posted on 6.10.03 2327.14
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They voted him in, then turned on him when he actually started to do the things he said he would do.

No, they turned on him because his primary method of cutting taxes was transferring responsibility for as much as humanly possible to the municipalities, which are now nearly broke as a result, and having your major economic engines almost in ruins as a result of eight years of downloading is kind of a stupid way to run the province.

I'm no great fan of Dalton McGuinty, who never saw a position he couldn't change his mind about twice, but he's a heap better than Eves, who's simply one of the most hypocritical pols in the province's history.
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#5 Posted on 7.10.03 1420.07
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I voted for Eves (through Westenberg in Kingston), but only because I thought he was the best of the viable options. Unlike Harris, who stuck with what he knew had to be done and did it despite being cast as the devil by most of the Ontario media, Eves governed to the polls in an attempt to appease everyone and wound up losing a lot of the core Harris support. I know a number of people, at least in this riding, who traditionally vote PC but voted for the Green Party this time around because they didn't like the soft Eves. If Eves had stuck to the hardline conservatism that got Harris elected with consecutive majorities we wouldn't be facing this problem of a dominant Liberal majority today. Let's not forget that the so-called "bad blood" towards the Tories was a lot worse in 1999 and we won that election easily. The problem is that Eves policies are more moderate than were Harris' and no one really believes he'll stick to his guns...both of which costs us suppport and in turn cost us the election.
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#6 Posted on 7.10.03 1458.46
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The problem is that Eves policies are more moderate than were Harris' and no one really believes he'll stick to his guns...both of which costs us suppport and in turn cost us the election.

This theory reeks of bollocks. Wait, Eves was more moderate than Harris, so his supporters, disappointed with Eves' moderation, went to the even more moderate Dalton McGuinty and delivered him a landslide?

The PCs lost this election on their policies, not because they didn't swing to the right enough. When the friggin' Fraser Institute says your economic plan is unworkable and you're a right-winger, you know you're in trouble.
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#7 Posted on 7.10.03 1645.26
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I'm not saying that Eves going more moderate was the ONLY reason we lost the election, nor am I blaming it ENTIRELY on the fact that no one believes what he says...what I am saying is that both factors hurt us.

People did turn away from Eves because he was too much like the Liberals. I worked on the campaign here, I know this too be true because people told me they wouldn't vote for Eves for that very reason. Whether they turned to the Greens, spoiled their ballots, or didn't vote at all (and yes, people told me they were doing all of those three options) it still cost us votes. People also had reason not to believe Eves because he flip-flops (see: deregulation of hydro), and since following through on promises made during a campaign was a Harris strength, it's reasonable to believe this also cost us points with the voters.

I'm not blaming the loss entirely on these factors, but they did play a role. A more right wing platform would have cemented some of the disenchanted voters who felt Eves was too centrist, a more trustworthy leader would have saved some of the lost votes on the integrity issue, and who knows...maybe we don't see the Liberals with 70+ seats in the end.
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#8 Posted on 7.10.03 2314.18
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Hey, I voted for McGuinty. I'm perfectly satisfied.

I'd much rather have a leader who will do nothing but MIGHT do some stuff I agree with, rather than a leader who will do everything he says and it's all stuff I don't agree with. :)
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#9 Posted on 8.10.03 1519.20
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It is very abnormal for me to weigh in on the political discussions, but I think BigVito has a very valid point. I voted PC, but my vote was not at all for Eves, for exactly the reasons BigVito said. The reason I voted PC is for the candidate in my riding. JIM FLAHERTY.

He has done a lot for the town of Whitby and that is why he got re-elected. He distanced himself from Eves, which probably saved his seat.

Say what you will about Mike Harris, but Bullit is correct. He did what he said he would. Hell he even got re-elected once. This time, however, there was an overwhelming "blah" to peoples feelings towards the conservatives. I think at least part of that is due to Eves, part to platform, and part to the slimey campaign they ran...

It's going to be interested to see what McGuinty can do...
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