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#1 Posted on 1.10.03 1321.32
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http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=1627991

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PHILADELPHIA -- Donovan McNabb isn't looking for an apology from Rush Limbaugh, who said he was overrated because the media wanted to see a black quarterback succeed.
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Sooo, do you think he'll be drummed out of the NFL like Jimmy the Greek was? True, he didn't have the football career that The Greek had, and from the backlash I've heard about, no one wanted him in the NFL anyway, but how does one recover from this because he's bascially outing himself as a bigot.

Besided, there have been may black QBs that have or do succeed, Doug Williams anyone? Culpepper? VICK? Cunningham?

To say that McNabb doesn't succeed is a joke. Ask any of the 31 teams if they could pick up McNabb, like if he had it with Plilly, they all would say yes in a heartbeat. He's a playmaker. He can throw and he can bring it down and run if he has to.

Well, I was never a fan of Rush anyway, so if he's gone from ESPN, it's no big thing to me.
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#2 Posted on 1.10.03 1340.40
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How exactly does denating the liberal bias in the media constitute bigot?(at danger of pulling that longstanding argument to the football forum). These are the same reporters/sports pundits that cheer for the Redskins to change their name, the destruction of small-time men's sports through title IX, and dog and pony interviews for coaching positions the candidates often aren't even considered for.

The criticism of McNabb's ability to get it done is legitimate, regardless of the racial aspect. He's good, but he's no Vick either.
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#3 Posted on 1.10.03 1345.06
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There's no way Rush is getting canned, not now. Ratings for Sunday NFL Countdown are up 10% overall and 25% in its desired demographic. This is exactly what ESPN brought him on to do... stir shit up. They're probably working out a contract extension as we speak. ;)
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#4 Posted on 1.10.03 1358.33
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Besides... he is right. McNabb is good, but he has ALWAYS been overhyped by the sports media because he is a black quarterback.

To me, it just seems like a valid opinion. Nowhere does he say that McNabb sucks because he is black. I just think it is funny that THIS is being called racist, but the NFL's interview policy is considered fair.

Political Correctness is losing credibility by the minute.
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#5 Posted on 1.10.03 1403.30
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    Originally posted by Grimis
    The criticism of McNabb's ability to get it done is legitimate, regardless of the racial aspect. He's good, but he's no Vick either.


But the real question is whether the whole racial context of his comments were even necessary. You (in the collective sense, not you personally) want to believe McNabb is overrated? Hey, that's great, because a lot of folks would agree with you. But don't go around bringing up bullshit saying that the media "roots" for the black quarterback, or that a black quarterback is merely a product of media hype based only on his race. Is Vick a product of media hype? Absolutely, but it's based on his athletic gifts. Steve McNair? Hell, I'd compare him to Elway or Favre at this point. When I say "Daunte Culpepper", do you immediately think "big black mobile quarterback"?
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#6 Posted on 1.10.03 1409.39
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    Originally posted by Pool-Boy
    Besides... he is right. McNabb is good, but he has ALWAYS been overhyped by the sports media because he is a black quarterback.

    To me, it just seems like a valid opinion. Nowhere does he say that McNabb sucks because he is black. I just think it is funny that THIS is being called racist, but the NFL's interview policy is considered fair.

    Political Correctness is losing credibility by the minute.




Whaaaaa? Did I miss something? I don't remember ESPN going, "Oh my god - here's a quarterback, and he's BLACK! We've never seen one of those before. But you know, I heard Michael Jordan was pretty good, and he was black. So watch out folks! This McNabb guy is black, so he means business!" But hey, maybe I don't read enough SI or something.

And Political Correctness never had any credibility.

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#7 Posted on 1.10.03 1413.54
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    Originally posted by Broncolanche
    But the real question is whether the whole racial context of his comments were even necessary.

And that there is no argument with. No, it's not necessary, but Rush was hired by ESPN to give his opinions about football. I don't think that they would bring Rush on just to muzzle him. What he said is being taken out of context. Rush slighted McNabb's ability, not his race.
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#8 Posted on 1.10.03 1446.29
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Mortensen was on the radio this morning and said basically that the point was made without Rush having to say the words "he's black." He also said that Michael Irvin and Tom Jackson were there (obviously) and they weren't hugely offended by his comments. Actually he said Brenda Warner was more offensive than Rush, though he did acknowledge that Rush was controversial and that the ESPN muckymucks were dealing with it.
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#9 Posted on 1.10.03 1535.19
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God forbid someone actually say what he really thinks on mainstream TV. I happen to agree that the guy is overhyped because many media types really want more black quarterbacks and coaches to succeed. I'm not saying it's not a laudable goal, but if demanding that black coaches be interviewed is not racist, then this surely is not. It is not racist to say that the media is rooting for a black quarterback to succeed. It's accurate.
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#10 Posted on 1.10.03 1547.30
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A mountain is being made out of this molehill. It is not racist to refer to someone's race. It was his opinion that the media has been clamoring for black quarterbacks (and coaches) to do well. This opinion is shared by a lot of people.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news? tmpl=story&cid=694&e=2& u=/ap/20031001/ap_on_el_pr/clark_limbaugh

What is really ridiculous is that a PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE is calling for Rush to be fired. Over what? McNabb is not asking for an apology, because it is too late for that. Why, because he said you were good, but not as good as the media thinks you are?

This whole thing is utter stupidity. The media DOES glom onto black quarterbacks and coaches, and hope they do well. That does not mean that Michael Vick or McNabb are not talented, it just means the media will root for them more than Manning. I don't understand what the hell is so racist about pointing that out.

Here is something I don't understand- Rush can say "The media likes black quarterbacks" and he is slammed for being racist. But the ACLU comes out and says "Minorities are too stupid to vote properly" and there is not a PEEP in the media. I have to ask- doesn't this embarass anyone?
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#11 Posted on 1.10.03 1554.47
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Well he just pretty much proved what an ignorant racist fat old bastard he is. How can't you see how this is dripping with racism.

-This is what he said "I think what we've had here is a little social concern in the NFL,'' Limbaugh said. "The media has been very desirous that a black quarterback do well. They're interested in black coaches and black quarterbacks doing well ... McNabb got a lot of the credit for the performance of the team that he really didn't deserve.''-

I like McNabb a lot, I think he's a great QB who doesn't necessary have the most outstanding recieving core in the NFL, but that's not the issue here... Rushy "The Greek" didn't pick on McNabb the man, he made a paint brush statement that ALL the love black quarterbacks get is because of their skin color, therefore leaving a dark cloud over any positive praise against any black quarterback.

Is Michael Vick overated? Seeing the Falcons look like an XFL team in his absense pretty much says otherwise.

Kordell *was* overrated, but not because he's black. It was because he brought such a insane "Slash" style where he could line up anywhere. But the when "the media" (and even us as fans) saw that that style doesn't really do well in the NFL he's considered one of the poorer QB's in the league now... Was Shaun King when he started for the Bucs was made overrated?, most opinions on him was that The Bucs won in spite of him in QB.

The media overrates and underrates QB's all the time for different reasons. But to come out and say any love is cause he's black just shows Rush's true colours
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#12 Posted on 1.10.03 1559.34
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Let's put aside the debate on whether or not the media roots for black QBs and coaches and consider this: by making those now-infamous comments, Limbaugh was perceived to be promoting his own political agenda on a freaking NFL pre-game show. I don't know about the rest of you, but as an NFL fan, for those six hours on Sunday I want to forget about everything going on around me that works me up and concentrate on watching the sport I love. So if Limbaugh is so PASSIONATE about football and would like to share his views on media bias, he should save it for The O'Reilly Factor. I'll take Berman making obscure pop-culture references any day of the week over Limbaugh.

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#13 Posted on 1.10.03 1605.09
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Rush also said-

"The defense carried this team."

I suppose the entire Philadelphia defense is composed of sheet-wearing, Natural Light drinking whites. No blacks at all on that side of the field!

I would like to know exactly how the statement "The media has been very desirous that a black quarterback do well. They're interested in black coaches and black quarterbacks doing well" equates to "I think all darkies are terrible quarterbacks." He mentioned ONE guy, said he was overrated, and explained why. You are all acting like he called for every black player in the NFL to be dragged out and flogged.

There are plenty more legitimate examples of racism out there in this world. Spend some energy on those *cough - ACLU*.
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#14 Posted on 1.10.03 1629.10
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Apparently, a lot of the people here (in the Football forum!) care more about what goes on in the NFL than what goes on with the ACLU. Make whatever value judgement you want about that, but I think it's perfectly reasonable for football fans to jump on a guy when they think he says something stupid about football.

-Jag

Just as an aside: If Rush's controversial opinions keep the ratings up, and they don't fire him - wouldn't that just be another point for "The media only has one bias - money!" point of view?

Don't bother answering that, we can argue about it in the Politics forum - where it belongs.
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#15 Posted on 1.10.03 1643.18
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If there's anything racist in the NFL, it's a policy that demands that black coaches be interviewed for coaching jobs.
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#16 Posted on 1.10.03 1725.29
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Matt Drudge says: "The week prior, Limbaugh defended and spoke up for the league’s black coaches in a commentary."

Does anyone know where to find transcripts of the show? I haven't seen any other articles that mention what Drudge claims, or heard any other Democratic Presidential candidates acknowledge it either. Standing up for Black coaches sounds like something a fat, ignorant racist like Rush would do so I am trying to confirm if it's true or not.
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#17 Posted on 1.10.03 1802.50
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    Originally posted by Bizzle Izzle
    Matt Drudge says: "The week prior, Limbaugh defended and spoke up for the league’s black coaches in a commentary."

    Does anyone know where to find transcripts of the show? I haven't seen any other articles that mention what Drudge claims, or heard any other Democratic Presidential candidates acknowledge it either. Standing up for Black coaches sounds like something a fat, ignorant racist like Rush would do so I am trying to confirm if it's true or not.


"Standing up for black(black is not capitalized, neither is white) coaches sound like something a fat, ignorant racist like Rush would do(,)so I am trying to confirm if it's true or not."

Do you mean that standing up for black coaches is something he WOULDN'T do? I'm just wondering why you mentioned Rush's weight? What does that have to do with it? And ignorant? I think Rush has quite a large body of knowledge. He does have more listeners than anyone in the country.

I agree with Rush. The QB position has been traditionally a white man's position. While the RB has been a black position. That's just fact. People want to think that this country has provided equal opportunity for all people. So having a black quarterback would provide evidence for it. Rush simply thinks that he isn't that good and that he is getting some undeserved credit. He never said, blacks can't play QB. Just look at Michael Vick. Did he say the same thing about him? No Vick CARRIES his team, while Rush claims that the Philly defense carries their team.
Go to www.rushlimbaugh.com you can see the actual streaming video of his comments. Irvin doesn't really say anything, but the white guy agrees with Rush, and the black guy agrees with him to an extent.(Sorry I don't watch ESPN preshows, it's just not worth getting up for on the West Coast, unlike Lee, Kirk and Chris.)


IF YOU WANT TO SEE HIS DEFENSE OF BLACK COACHES, GO TO RUSH'S SITE AT WWW.RUSHLIMBAUGH.COM IT'S RIGHT FUCKING THERE, SEE IT FOR YOUR FUCKING SELF, AND SHUT UP.


(edited by kgriffey79 on 1.10.03 1605)
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#18 Posted on 1.10.03 1803.58
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    Originally posted by Bizzle Izzle
    Matt Drudge says: "The week prior, Limbaugh defended and spoke up for the league’s black coaches in a commentary."

    Does anyone know where to find transcripts of the show? I haven't seen any other articles that mention what Drudge claims, or heard any other Democratic Presidential candidates acknowledge it either. Standing up for Black coaches sounds like something a fat, ignorant racist like Rush would do so I am trying to confirm if it's true or not.


I can't send you to a transcript of the show, but I can confirm that this is true. I saw that show, and Rush's point was basically that the league should celebrate the successes of black coaches that do get hired rather than imposing interview quotas. Interview quotas, he said, are insulting because they result in little more black candidates being given token interviews with no real opportunities behind them.

To add my own thoughts to what Rush said, I agree, if the league really wants to combat racism in coaching, they should celebrate guys like Tony Dungy or Marvin Lewis (maybe I'm getting ahead of myself, but the Bengals are about a 1000x better team this year than last). The rationale behind mandatory minority interviews is that without them black coaches wouldn't get a chance because of the colour of their skin. If you assume that is true, though, it won't matter how many black coaches the racist owner or GM interviews because he'll still hire the white coach. He's a racist, after all, and the league can't force him to hire the black candidate. The minority candidates get to jump through the hoop so the league can say it's progressive, but the problem still exists. On the other hand, the team that is going to be open to hiring a minority candidate (because they aren't prejudiced and just want the best man for the job) is going to interview the best available candidates anyway. The quota isn't going to matter to them, because they had no reservations about interviewing black coaches anyway. It's a policy for the sake of having a policy, but ultimately does nothing to combat racism.

Back to the McNabb topic, I don't have a problem with what Rush said. I'm sure he realized there would be a backlash, but he didn't say anything wrong. He didn't say that McNabb shouldn't be quarterbacking because he's black, nor did he say anything about black QBs not having a place in the NFL. In fact, with the Eagles starting 0-2 and with the #s McNabb had put up to that point, to say he's not as good as people thought he was was a fair criticism. If Rush had said something stupid like "of course the Eagles aren't winning, they've got a brother at QB" we might have something to talk about. The media does play up the fact that there are more black QBs now than there were ten years ago, and I would say that I've probably seen at least one magazine-type story on every one of them (Culpepper, McNabb, Vick) that at least alluded to the fact that they are black QBs and that black QBs are still not as common as black players are at other positions. That's fine as a story because it is marking a change, something to be pointed out. But because the media did use that as a story point, it's something that will be reviewed later on if the player doesn't make it. This was a criticism of media above all else, not a criticism of McNabb and certainly not a criticism of black QBs. The fact that it's getting so much attention is nothing short of absurd.
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#19 Posted on 1.10.03 1901.52
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    Originally posted by Grimis
    The criticism of McNabb's ability to get it done is legitimate, regardless of the racial aspect. He's good, but he's no Vick either.


You're right. Vick hasn't taken his team to the NFC Championship game. Give McNabb some decent defensive talent surrounding him and lets see how "overrated" he is.


EDIT: That defensive talent is supposed to be offensive talent. He's had the defensive talent.

(edited by Whitebacon on 1.10.03 1832)
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#20 Posted on 1.10.03 1945.42
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    Originally posted by Whitebacon
    Give McNabb some decent defensive talent surrounding him and lets see how "overrated" he is.

But then doesn't that make Rush's point? Lots of folks think he's jesus, but without guys around him he can't do it. This is true in a lot of cases.

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