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#1 Posted on 29.9.03 2211.43
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Why won't they wake up? Did they call the reception desk to schedule a call? It's Raw, live from Chicago (just like MNF), and a Fashion Report, too.

Lillian announces Snow, in grey shortsleeves and black jeans, and Coach, in Green Bay jersey (#4 - Favre) and black warmups.

Jericho, in open black/white checkered shirt and pants, with Biswch, in black leather coat, black shirt and blue jeans, with FOOTAGE! It's the Hilight Reel. Bisch announces that Austin is suspended for this week. Jericho talks smack and intros JR, in Sooners football jersey (#22), black hat and black jeans. Coach asks that the match be made a "good ol' country whippin' match". WTF Is that? Jericho with a beatdown. (The suspended) Austin, in black "F0CK Fear" tshirt, jean shorts, kneebraces, and "F0CK Fear" cap, destroys furniture. Two nameless blackshirted security guys try to escort Austin from the ring, but he kicks their asses, 'cuz that's the kind of guy he is.

Outside, Austin looks at a line of rent-a-cops.

Dudleys, Bubba in "Dudleyville 3D" jersey and black warmups, Spike, and Dvon in sleeveless black "Dudley Boyz 3D" tshirt and black/white camo pants, Bubba carrying the belt and DVon wearing his, vs. Test, in black undies with red hips, and Steiner, in chainmail and black "Freakzilla" tights, with Stacie, in white half-shirt, black tie and black miniskirt. Fan Fashion: a Hogan Cosplay'er in the second row (except he's got Mr. America-style feather boas). Nick Patrick in the stripes. Stacy chairshot to a pin by the Dudlyes. Post-match Steiner turns heel by suplexing Stacy. Hooray!

Kane, bare-chested in black tights with red stripes, under the towell, on the mic. That draws-out Hurricane, with FOOTAGE! of their Tag-Title win last year. Hurricane wants to know why Kane went bad. Kane picks on a ringside kid, but Hurricane makes the save. Rosey, in neon green/purple shorts, navy-blue "Super Hero In Training" tshirt, orange shirt and tights, with purple mask and Hurricane beach-towell, makes a save, too.

In the back, Cade and Jindrak play WM 19 while Maven stands by waiting to play. La Resistance comes into the room and smack-talk ensues. This segues into...

La Resistance, in black "La Resistance " undies and blue military coats, Rob Conway, in purple "Conway" undies, with French Flags, vs. Maven, in black "M" fullcuts, Cade in red undies, and Jindrak, in black "Jindrak" undies. An average match. SO, are these young fellas the Anti-Evolution?

Outside, Austin and the line haven't moved. RVD comes by to talk. Mr. Heidenreich (hey, I went to college with a Heidenreich) has a ticket, so Austin and he go off to talk. Yeah, you already know where this is going, too.

HHH, somewhere, in a black shirt, takes a hit out on Goldberg - the price is $100,000.

Lillian, in pink sling-top and black skirt, does the intros. Coach, in grey "Packers" tshirt and black warmups, vs. JR, in same as before. Hebner sees duty for THIS? Jericho joins on commentary. Coach's shirt is obviously new - see the store-folds. I smell ratings - dead, festering ratings. Hello, MNF. When I flip back, Austin is drinking with King and JR. Eh.

JR, in black/white vertical stripes with gold scrollwork, and JR are, once again, your Greek Chorus. Oh, fuck off.

Terri, in pink top and black pants, intros Lita, in black tanktop and shiny grey pants. Pimp her book. Great, 5 minutes back and we've already heard "Jezebel" and "Puppies". So, Gail in beige, Molly in pink/black, Trish in jeans and belly-baring babydoll-tee, and then Victoria in black all get involved.

Kane, in same as before, with FOOTAGE!, vs. Hurricane, in neon-green/black suit, sparkly "H" cape and mask. Hurricane looks like someone took a lawn-mower to his head. Squash.

In the back Goldberg paces and Mark Lloyd comes by to interview him.

"Kill Bill" - I don't get it. What the heck is it about? Some chicks always fighting?

Randy, in black "Orton" undies with purple hip-bolts, and Flair, in blue "Nature Boy" robe with silver sequins, vs. Shawn, in black cut-up "HBK" Jesus-fish and black tights with sundered blue hearts, and Goldberg, in white/black fullcut undies with barbedwire butt, wearing the Heavyweight Title. Hebner gets this match, too. Ha - Hebner slides OUT of the ring while getting in position to count. Mack with a steel chair leads to the DQ. Henry and Long are around, too. Whyever does Henry drag-off Shawn?

In the back, Long pumps-up Mark Henry. Oh, so THAT'S why he did it to Shawn.

MORE "The Rundown" hype. Again.

Rob, in purple singlet with crotch-eating dragon-head vs. Christian!, in black tights with pink "C"s on silver crests. That belt is REAL high up. Hebner and Charles Robinson are the referees. I DO like those top-down camera angles. Rob on the ladder, 2nd rung from the top, top rung, on the top, 5-star! A new champ! A good match.

Overall: A pretty good show. The only spot I could do without was the JR vs. Coach match and the resultant change in announcers. The "bounty" gives a good reason for all the B-level heels to go after Goldberg (and be beaten). So I guess, as a plot device, it's a good thing.
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#2 Posted on 29.9.03 2216.36
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You know what I want:

JR vs. Coach for Match of the Year!!!

Oh and Steiner turned heel! YAY!!!

And I liked the ladder match...

This was the best RAW I saw in a long time!
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#3 Posted on 29.9.03 2222.23
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Only caught the last eight minutes (hey, I wanted to know why Misty hated their dining room so much--although Jackass Jessie didn't TOUCH her room.. eenteresting...) and consequently, only saw part of the ladder match. Nice finish there, finally using a bit of logic with the ladder pinning Christian. Although when he did the Five Star, I thought he was going to jump for the belt. That would've been nasty, but way too easy to miss.

JR and the King are back. Fuck me in the earhole. I actually LIKED Coach... why can't they just change announcers and be DONE with it? Shake them up on a permanent basis.

And the writers continue getting clues about how to book Goldberg. Read the recap on 411 (not Keith) and okay, it wasn't a HUGE announcement, but they set up a nice angle for a couple of months which helps segue into a different feud, and it gives Goldberg a steady stream of warm bodies to kill dead. Fine with me.
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#4 Posted on 29.9.03 2223.34
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RVD/Christian was a really fun match for just being an all-out spotfest. Most enjoyable match from Raw in a long time. None of the other matches really did anything for me, though. Jericho on commentary was gold.

Too bad we only got 1.5 weeks of JR/Lawler-free commentary. Coach/Snow weren't anything special, but it was a breath of fresh air not having to hear "Puppies!" or JR's hyperbole and JR-isms.

Good Raw, w/ the ME, Jericho, and very little HHH being the highlights. Would have liked to see some more quality matches, though.
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#5 Posted on 29.9.03 2224.51
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Jesus, is Christian's new gimmick the Man of a Thousand Technical Difficulties? That "do it again" was HORRIBLE

Otherwise, a great, great show

(edited by Evil Antler God on 29.9.03 2025)
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#6 Posted on 29.9.03 2226.48
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Well, we know what the worst case scenario was...they screw up again!
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#7 Posted on 29.9.03 2226.49
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Ladder match was worth watching for alone. Maybe Christian and Jericho will team up for a bit to fight the unfair Austin and...uh...I dunno...that guy who gave Austin his ticket? That guy's kid sitting in the arena all alone, probably getting harrassed by Kane...

Someday, Jericho is going to be the most kickass heel commentator ever.

Heel of the night wasn't on Raw...it was Doug Wilson on Trading Spaces responding to the room with the fireplace. Wow. What a jackass.

I would have popped if HHH said "Everybody has a price" at the end of his promo. Between him and Molly sticking the book page in Lita's mouth, I was halfway wondering if they were teasing a DiBiase return.

...So it took the Dudleys about a dozen matches to finally get the best of La Resistance, then suddenly everybody on the card is wiping the mat with them?

I agree. Pretty good show.

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#8 Posted on 29.9.03 2228.07
Reposted on: 29.9.10 2229.02
    Originally posted by Evil Antler God
    Jesus, is Christian's new gimmick the Man of a Thousand Technical Difficulties? That "do it again" was HORRIBLE

    Otherwise, a great, great show

    (edited by Evil Antler God on 29.9.03 2025)


That was horrible.

Great promo by Triple H, although I was hoping for the Million Dollar Man to pop out.

Great match with Christian and RVD, a great way to end a good raw.

The only downfall was the loss of Coach and Snow. Those guys were great. A nice change from the norm.

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#9 Posted on 29.9.03 2230.21
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I've got one thing to say.

I demand a Chris Jericho/Rob Van Dam World Championship feud NOW.
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#10 Posted on 29.9.03 2232.31
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    Originally posted by Kawshen
    I've got one thing to say.

    I demand a Chris Jericho/Rob Van Dam World Championship feud NOW.


Keep dreaming.

And may I say, the ending to that ladder match really had me scared, as there was so much that could have gone wrong. RVD was all the way on top of that unsteady ladder, with another ladder laying right down beneath him. He could have easily fallen off the ladder, fallen on the ladder below, or could have been off on the frogsplash and land right on the ladder below.

Fortunatley, everything went fine. Good match, and a pretty good RAW.

Gotta' love that blooper-reel shot of Christian walking down the hallway.

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#11 Posted on 29.9.03 2233.37
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Mr. Heel: Nope. That award goes to Rick Reichel (I think that's right). Told everyone in that episode--hell, on the show--to go into therapy. XD
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#12 Posted on 29.9.03 2234.02
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RVD new intercontinental Champion....really cooool

JR vs Coach? Totally Crappy thing!

C'ommon! why not send JR and The King to a long vacation to Bahamas or something and let the things rest for a while...and what happen with the Feud Jericho vs Austin??

That its a match and not a fucking comedy !!! Like the JR vs Coach thing! Imagine that th NFL make a Match between Jhon Madden and Steve Young? If the WWe writters manage the match.. Madden surey kick Steve Young Ass...

Kind Pathetic
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#13 Posted on 29.9.03 2239.36
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Good show. It picked up as it went along- notice how dead the crowd was for all announcer-related segments?

Bad:

JR and the King back. Why did Al have to lose his job? I wouldn't mind JR and Al Snow as an announce team. Why the fuck do I have to listen to the King? Why?! This "feud" gets my nomination as the most pointless in recent memory.

Austin. He comes out smelling like roses. Again. I want Jericho to beat his ass with all my heart.

The Dudleys. Even more tedious than Austin. Why do people still pop for these jokers?

Mark Henry and Rodney Mack on my TV. Especially Mark Henry kicking Shawn Michaels' ass. Hopefully Goldberg puts him away in under a minute. If Goldberg/Henry is next week's main event, I'm... I don't know what I'm going to do, but I damn sure won't be responsible for my actions.

Good:

RVD VS. CHRISTIAN. Fucking amazing match, my favorite in at least the past few months, possibly since Jericho/Michaels at 'Mania. Rob was totally on his game- none of the lackluster performance we've seen off-and-on recently- just pure gold. he and Christian meshed really well, with some nasty, nasty spots from both guys. Great ups and downs and hold-your-breath moments. They got the right ending, too- the crowd LOVED it. RVD was the most over I've seen him in a while, i.e. mega-over. Almost constant "RVD" chant. I haven't been that into a match for a long time. I'll drink to both of those guys for the best free-TV match of the year.

Goldberg/Michaels vs. Evolution. A nice match, which showcased everybody's strengths. The jobber run-ins would have been cool if Mark Henry vs. Goldberg for next week's main event wasn't foreshadowed, but I digress. Flair was gold as always, Michaels did some good work as the face-in-peril and Goldberg looked great, and totally in his element. Randy Orton was as boring as always, but he was passable with the help of his betters. Nice, solid tag match. Better than anything I've seen from the actual tag division lately.

Kane. My man is looking more intense each week. His promo was gold. "Did your parents tell you monsters didn't exist?" was classic. Nice squash of Hurricane before beating up on Shane next week. I want this feud over, but it has Kane in it, so whatever.

Triple H's bounty. Should lead to some great jobber squashes by Goldberg. It's the perfect storyline for him. We even got to see a Stevie Richards cameo.

Steiner's heel turn. It's about fucking time. The best bit was the look on Test's face after Steiner suplexed Stacy. Apparently these guys will be loosed on the tag scene. Whatever. The division sucks anyway, so Test and Scottie will be right at home. God forbid they let them in on the singles scene, though. Keep your fingers crossed.
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#14 Posted on 29.9.03 2246.02
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    Originally posted by drjayphd
    Mr. Heel: Nope. That award goes to Rick Reichel (I think that's right). Told everyone in that episode--hell, on the show--to go into therapy. XD
I wasn't about to turn over for the third reveal from the ladder match, so I didn't see him. I did see that ep when it originally aired (just last week actually) and I shouldn't be surprised as I immediately decided he and Doug must be a couple.
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#15 Posted on 29.9.03 2252.46
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    Originally posted by Jakegnosis

    RVD VS. CHRISTIAN. Fucking amazing match, my favorite in at least the past few months, possibly since Jericho/Michaels at 'Mania. Rob was totally on his game- none of the lackluster performance we've seen off-and-on recently- just pure gold. he and Christian meshed really well, with some nasty, nasty spots from both guys. Great ups and downs and hold-your-breath moments. They got the right ending, too- the crowd LOVED it. RVD was the most over I've seen him in a while, i.e. mega-over. Almost constant "RVD" chant. I haven't been that into a match for a long time. I'll drink to both of those guys for the best free-TV match of the year.



Isn't it amazing that RVD is most over when he's doing ECWish spotfests and not WWE Main Event Style? Kinda like how Goldberg is most over when he's crushing people and not selling a leg for 15 minutes.

Rob Van Dam is friggin' insane for a bunch of spots in that Ladder Match, especially the Five Star onto the ladder.

Overall, a pretty good RAW. Hopefully the Coach nonsense is over with now because he and Snow were awful, IMO. I'd rather have stale then talentless.
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#16 Posted on 29.9.03 2253.42
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Because of work, I only caught the show from the Mark Henry/Goldberg part to the end. But I must say, the RVD/Christian match was GOLD! Gold, I tell ya, GOLD!

But I missed Jericho on commentary? DAMN IT!
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#17 Posted on 29.9.03 2314.25
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    Originally posted by fuelinjected
    Isn't it amazing that RVD is most over when he's doing ECWish spotfests and not WWE Main Event Style? Kinda like how Goldberg is most over when he's crushing people and not selling a leg for 15 minutes.


No kidding, right? It's kind of nice when they let people work to their strengths, isn't it?

I love the mat guys like everybody else; Angle and Benoit are the shit, but if everybody wrestled that style, WWE would be boring as hell. We need our crazy high-fliers and our massive, intense monsters. I'm a Benoit fan and an Angle fan, but I'm also an RVD fan, a Kane fan, a Lita fan and a Goldberg fan.

I like being able to watch a mishmash of styles when I turn on my TV for WWE. They're the big leagues of wrestling, and I think that they should showcase the best of all wrestlers, in their individual styles. trying to press someone into a mold that doesn't fit them just makes the worker and the WWE look bad.

Just look at Rob Van Dam tonight. He was more over than Triple H has been in a long, long time, and he's wrestling for the IC title.

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#18 Posted on 29.9.03 2316.26
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    Originally posted by drjayphd
    Mr. Heel: Nope. That award goes to Rick Reichel (I think that's right). Told everyone in that episode--hell, on the show--to go into therapy. XD


Actually, the guy's name is Rick Rifle. Seriously. I think his parents must have wanted him to grow up to become a porn star.

Anyway. Steiner's heel turn was welcome because it FINALLY, Goddess willing, ends this arsetastic feud. I hope he and Test stay way away from each other for a while; "realistically," they should still hate each other's guts and it'd be dumb to have them all buddy-buddy because they're both heels now.

I don't think I've ever hated a heel as much as I hate Austin these days. Even with Triple H and Vince, it's more of a weary, grinding contempt. Subjecting me to J.R. and Lawler again is only the latest offense against sanity. I could have dealt with J.R. coming back, because Coach was no great shakes ... but replacing Snow with that shithead who just couldn't wait to burst out with a "puppies!" while Lita was in the ring talking about her comeback from her BROKEN NECK ... aaargh. Strangle.

I was thinking the ladder match was going to be perfunctory when I looked at the clock and saw there were maybe ten minutes left. More fool me -- they packed an amazing amount of crazy shit into those ten minutes.

So next week we have Mark Henry vs. Goldberg -- now that should be frightening, and for an entirely different reason -- and Shane McMahon comes back from the dead to whup Kane's ass. Oh joy.

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#19 Posted on 29.9.03 2320.47
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Can someone please explain to me exactly what happened with the Christian screwup? I came in right as the segment ended, and I keep hearing people talk about it.

I thought tonight's Raw was really good. Goldberg, RVD, Christian, Jericho, Steiner, Kane, Hurricane, and a bunch of others came out of the show looking good tonight.

Even Mark Henry looked like a legitimate threat after beating and dragging a bloody HBK. The man is like a grizzly bear. He should be fucking people up. He's the strongest man in the world, for crying out loud.

Good show. Great main event. New IC champ.

It feels good not to complain and/or feel dirty after an episode of Raw.

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#20 Posted on 29.9.03 2328.20
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    Originally posted by Shem the Penman
    I hope he and Test stay way away from each other for a while; "realistically," they should still hate each other's guts and it'd be dumb to have them all buddy-buddy because they're both heels now.


Ah, but Steiner is still "under contract" to Test. You will have no such luck. Besides, I like the crap on the card to be as consolidated as possible. If they're a tag team, they're just going to be wrestling the Dudleys and La Resistance, so, really, who gives a shit? That means one guaranteed crappy tag match a show, instead of a possible Steiner match, a possible Test match, a possible La Res match, AND a possible Dudleys match. Now THAT gives me The Fear much more than one hideous, but self-contained, unit. I guess Jindrak and Cade would be in there, too, but Iguess they'll just have to take one for the team. It's better than being on Heat.
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