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#1 Posted on 22.9.03 1253.05
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Now there is hope for the season after all. As long as the offense gets its act together, amyway.

Next week: Pittsburgh hosts Tennessee and Baltimore hosts KC. There could conceiveably be a 3-way tie atop the AFC North going into week 5, leading to Cleveland at Pittsburgh. With Baltimore on Bye, that would be for the outright lead in the division. Ah, to dream.

The defense showed itself again, just like against Indy. Good thing they play the Bungles; next week is the off week for the D (if the current pattern holds up). Any word on Dillon's status after the Steelers game? Hopefully Holcomb or Couch can keep the offense rolling like in the 4th quarter.
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#2 Posted on 22.9.03 1305.57
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There is no good time for the Browns to win, unless they're playing Washington or Indianapolis.....

Let's face it, the Browns are a bad team with no heart that got luck against San Fran. They should realistically be 0-3 and truth be told, it wouldn't surprise me to see them lose to Cincy...
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#3 Posted on 22.9.03 1327.11
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No heart?!?!?! Holcomb is out there with ankle injuries, possibly broken and he leads them to two 4th quarter TD's to win and they have NO HEART?!? They hold Manning and the Colts to 9 points, no TD's and they have NO HEART?!?! They start off the SF game with a fantastic goal-line stand and hold the 2nd rated offense to 4 FG's and they have NO HEART?!?!

I'm not saying they're Super-Bowl bound, but REALISTICALLY they should be 2-1 (they should've beat Indy).

Come on Grimis, you should be better than that.
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#4 Posted on 22.9.03 1334.02
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What you left out was the Ravens game....

Jamal Lewis called them out. Jamal Lewis said he would break the rushing record, and he did with damn near no effort. Remember, he barely touched the ball in the 3rd quarter and got 15 yards. He should have had well over 300 yards in that game. If the Browns can't get amped up to stop Lewis when he was running his mouth, they have no heart in my book...
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#5 Posted on 22.9.03 1346.57
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Yes, in *one* game. That's like looking at only the Baltimore-Pittsburgh game and saying that Baltimore has no D and a lousy QB. Or reading only your last post and assuming you are ignorant. I know that's not the case since I've read other posts you've made. Even though you are obviously a Ravens fan (and you have my pity), I guess I expected more from you than this drivel.
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#6 Posted on 22.9.03 1419.04
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Look, the Browns are a bad team. We know that. The Browns displayed no heart that I have seen. Losing a game 9-6 is not a display of heart. OK, maybe the SF gamed is different because for all intents and purposes they should have rolled over and died. And they didn't...

That being said, if I owned the Browns Butch Davis would have been fired after the Ravens game for the lack of heart and intensity his team showed. That's inexcusable at any level, and until they prove otherwise, they have no heart as far as I'm concerned.

    Originally posted by whatever
    Even though you are obviously a Ravens fan (and you have my pity),


Call me when Cleveland has a Super Bowl team...
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#7 Posted on 22.9.03 1514.01
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    Originally posted by Grimis
    Look, the Browns are a bad team. We know that.


    No, the *Bengals* are a bad team. The Browns are mediocre. Big difference, just ask the Niners.


    The Browns displayed no heart that I have seen. Losing a game 9-6 is not a display of heart.


    Offensively, no. Defensively, absolutely. This is a defense that was getting pounded in the preseason, and ran into an offense that has since scored 33 and 23 points. They played with heart and intensity. The offense played like knuckleheads.


    OK, maybe the SF gamed is different because for all intents and purposes they should have rolled over and died. And they didn't...


    And what do you call that?!? That's my whole point, they didn't roll over and die, even though they could have. That's determination, willpower, *Heart*.


    That being said, if I owned the Browns Butch Davis would have been fired after the Ravens game for the lack of heart and intensity his team showed. That's inexcusable at any level


    I don't know about firing him for one awful game, circumstances aside. After all, they did make the playoffs just last season. While the Ravens, oh yeah, they didn't even MAKE the playoffs last year. Why is Billick still coaching? (Dumb statement I know, but I'm making a point.)


    , and until they prove otherwise, they have no heart as far as I'm concerned.

    Again, you referenced the Niners game, which was a display of heart. You've just negated your own argument.


      Originally posted by whatever
      Even though you are obviously a Ravens fan (and you have my pity),


    Call me when Cleveland has a Super Bowl team...

Call me when the Baltimore builds a Super Bowl team from scratch instead of stealing one from another city.
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#8 Posted on 22.9.03 1524.15
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    Originally posted by whatever
    Call me when the Baltimore builds a Super Bowl team from scratch instead of stealing one from another city.

I don't want to hear it from a city who wouldn't build, then magically got a team back a month later.

I didn't see anybody cry for Baltimore when the Colts left town...
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#9 Posted on 22.9.03 1816.12
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STOLE A TEAM? I thought they LURED a team. Hell Cleaveland fans in all thier sports have this grand (dis)illusion that thier teams are always so great, but in reality, what has a Cleveland team done in the past 30 years or so? NOTHING really. The DOG POUND, for all its hype, couldnt keep Byner (it was Byner, wasnt it?) from coughing up the ball two years running. Couldnt get Bernie Kosar a title, couldnt get Charles White excited about playing and basically ended up sucking so bad that nobody really FEARED going there, unless it was in that one end zone.
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#10 Posted on 22.9.03 1913.24
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    I didn't see anybody cry for Baltimore when the Colts left town...


Actually, lots of people did. Irsay still hasn't gotten over that public stigma.

And frankly, both of your sorry-ass teams don't suck NEARLY as bad as Green Bay, so I win! Er, lose? Sob.
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#11 Posted on 22.9.03 1937.36
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Whoever said that the Browns, or Kelly Holcomb at least, have no heart is spewing a load of crap.

http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/6662749

Holcomb sustained hairline fracture in Browns' win

BEREA, Ohio -- Kelly Holcomb may have saved the Cleveland Browns' season on Sunday at the expense of a portion of his own.

Cleveland's quarterback fractured a bone in his right leg during the first quarter but refused to come out, rallying the Browns to a stunning 13-12 win over the 49ers.

Wincing in pain and hobbling, Holcomb completed 12-of-14 passes on a 91-yard scoring drive in the final minutes, throwing an 11-yard TD pass to Andre' Davis with 29 seconds left to give the Browns (1-2) their first win.

"It was somewhat John Wayne-esque," Browns coach Butch Davis said Monday. "It was kind of heroic. He fought through the whole day and refused to surrender, like a heavyweight prize fighter. He kept getting up off the mat."

But Holcomb could be down for a while.

X-rays taken during halftime and again Monday revealed that Holcomb has a hairline fracture of his fibula, the smaller bone located on the outside of the leg.

Holcomb could miss a few games, but Davis hasn't ruled him out of practice this week or playing Sunday against winless Cincinnati.

That's typical of Davis, who usually downplays injuries hoping that his optimism can help a player return earlier than expected.

Davis dismissed a radio report that Holcomb will be out 4-to-6 weeks as "totally erroneous." He added that Holcomb could conceivably play with the injury all season.

"He played the whole game yesterday on it," Davis said boldly.

"All the information I have from our medical people is that they think there is a moderate to slightly reasonable chance he will practice on Wednesday. If something transpires between now and then we'll tell you.

"If he was going to be gone four-to-six (weeks), trust me, I wouldn't be telling you and setting myself up for looking like a fool."

Holcomb, named the starter over Tim Couch at the end of training camp, was injured while making a quarterback sneak near his own goal line. As Holcomb pushed into the line, 49ers defensive end Chidi Ahanotu fell on the quarterback's leg.

Holcomb got his ankle taped and continued to play. He sprained his left ankle in the third quarter and still finished 25-of-38 for 222 yards and two TDs.

He has played hurt before.

Last year, Holcomb broke his left leg while filling in when Couch suffered a concussion against Baltimore. Holcomb stayed in despite the injury and nearly rallied the Browns to a win.

While at Middle Tennessee State, Holcomb finished a game despite a broken jaw.

Davis said initial X-rays didn't show the fracture. He considered switching to Couch in the third quarter, but decided against it when Holcomb -- blitzed nearly nonstop by the 49ers in the first half -- appeared to be dealing with his injury.

"He was moving around fine and he was playing fine," Davis said. "We were more concerned about getting the protections changed than we were about changing the quarterback. He was able to plant and able to throw.

"Mobility was a little bit of an issue, but it wasn't much of a factor. I don't think anybody is going to mistake Kelly for Michael Vick anyway."

On the Browns' final drive, Holcomb completed 11 straight passes. He threw to five receivers and converted four third-down situations despite excruciating pain.

"To see him in that kind of pain made us want to go out and make plays for him," said Andre' Davis, who made two big ones, catching a 2-yard TD pass to get Cleveland within 12-7.

Davis' game-winning catch came on a perfectly thrown ball by Holcomb, who put it high enough for the wide receiver to jump and catch it between five 49ers.

If Holcomb has to sit Sunday or is sidelined for an extended period, the Browns will again turn to Couch, who led them to eight wins last season before losing his job this summer.

"Our football team believes in Tim," Davis said. "Tim has won games here. Tim prepares. His mental attitude has been very good. When he's on the sideline, he's watching coverages. He and Kelly are talking. He's into the games as if he's going in on the next possession. From that standpoint, we feel good."
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#12 Posted on 23.9.03 0658.43
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StaggerLee - this from someone in St. Louis, hmm? "Oh, we lost our team, so that makes it OKAY to take someone else's team?" Instead of doing what Cleveland did, organizing and creating such a movement that the NFL *had* to give an expansion team, not just turning around and stealing anpther team from its city. And I never said our team was great - if they were, they'd have beaten the Colts and Ravens. However, we actually *support* our teams, and we're proud of that. I love my team, but I am a realist.

<sarcasm>(And I see *such* consistent greatness from the Rams.)

Big Bad - ummmm, Green Bay whooped the Browns. Granted, it was preseason, but still. (Ha,ha , We're worse than you... umm, wait...) Actually, I have a lot of friends in WI, and I've always liked Favre, so you have my sympathy.

Texas Kelly - Thank you, that's exactly what I'm talking about.
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#13 Posted on 23.9.03 1446.17
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    Originally posted by whatever
    Instead of doing what Cleveland did, organizing and creating such a movement that the NFL *had* to give an expansion team, not just turning around and stealing anpther team from its city.

Actually that's what Baltimore (and St. Louis for that matter) did before getting jobbed to Charlotte and Jacksonville. Neither one of those cities deserved it in that setup. Hell, if the Baltimore Bombers and St. Louis Stallions came into existence, LA and Cleveland keep their teams and only Houston would have moved.
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#14 Posted on 23.9.03 1627.59
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    Originally posted by whatever
    StaggerLee - this from someone in St. Louis, hmm? "Oh, we lost our team, so that makes it OKAY to take someone else's team?" Instead of doing what Cleveland did, organizing and creating such a movement that the NFL *had* to give an expansion team, not just turning around and stealing anpther team from its city. And I never said our team was great - if they were, they'd have beaten the Colts and Ravens. However, we actually *support* our teams, and we're proud of that. I love my team, but I am a realist.

    (And I see *such* consistent greatness from the Rams.)




Well, firstly, I am a transplant to St Louis, so the Rams were here when I showed up. I am a Giants fan myself. The Rams may not have "consistant greatness" but, they have been to the Superbowl twice in the last 5 years, two more than Cleveland has ever been to. And, if memory serves me correctly, the city of LA (Anahiem actually) didnt support the Rams, and that is why they moved, to get a better lease deal and to go to a city where the local government actually supports them. Grimmis is right, Baltimore and St Louis stepped up to the plate, made offers to teams and actaully built a stadium for the teams to move into. Cleveland did the same, but only after Modell was out of the picture.
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#15 Posted on 24.9.03 0707.54
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    Originally posted by StaggerLee

    Well, firstly, I am a transplant to St Louis, so the Rams were here when I showed up. I am a Giants fan myself. The Rams may not have "consistant greatness" but, they have been to the Superbowl twice in the last 5 years, two more than Cleveland has ever been to.


So how far back do you want to go? The Browns were AAFC Champions from 1946-1949 the first 4 years they *existed*. Then they merged with the NFL in 1950 and in an upset reminiscent of the Jets/Colts in SB3, they won the NFL title that year. They then went on to win the NFL title in 1954,1955, and 1964. So they have won NFL titles, and have a fine history that people here aren't willing to ignore. Also from your argument, does it mean that St. Louis is better than Tampa Bay because they've been to more Super Bowls in the last 5 years than Tampa has ever been to? Of course not!
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#16 Posted on 24.9.03 0721.47
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For the record though(and ironically enough), the Rams are the only team to win the NFL title in three cities: St. Louis(1999/SBXXXIV), Los Angeles(1951: Rams 30, Browns 28), and Cleveland(1945).
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#17 Posted on 24.9.03 1253.00
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    Originally posted by whatever


    So how far back do you want to go? The Browns were AAFC Champions from 1946-1949 the first 4 years they *existed*. Then they merged with the NFL in 1950 and in an upset reminiscent of the Jets/Colts in SB3, they won the NFL title that year. They then went on to win the NFL title in 1954,1955, and 1964. So they have won NFL titles, and have a fine history that people here aren't willing to ignore. Also from your argument, does it mean that St. Louis is better than Tampa Bay because they've been to more Super Bowls in the last 5 years than Tampa has ever been to? Of course not!


If we are talking about CONSISTANT winning, then yes, the Rams ARE better than the Bucs, who have only became a decent team in the past 3-4 years.

But then again, I am a Giants fan, and would rather not defend the Rams.
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#18 Posted on 26.9.03 1032.15
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I, for one, am glad that Houston moved to Tennessee ... but they could have picked a better mascot name for the expansion team ... "Texans" is so generic.
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