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#1 Posted on 17.9.03 0925.13
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Within the last few weeks, our Boston classic rock station has started playing REM in semi-regular rotation. I was talking to a friend about how I don't like hearing "The One I Love" on the same station as Bad Company and Foghat. He was telling me that in some areas of the country, bands like Nirvana and Pearl Jam are now starting to appear on classic rock playlists. Please tell me that this is not true. Am I officially in the "Classic Rock" demographic at age 32?
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#2 Posted on 17.9.03 1001.24
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I don't think there is a real delineation. "Oldies" is about 20 or so years, so there is a chance that early REM could appear side-by-side with the Beach Boys, etc. But "Classic Rock" is not a clear line. I head Nirvana and Metallica(black album) on our classic rock station in 2002 before it shut down this year.

Easy determination if you're in the demo: if you listen to "active rock" or "alternative rock" and think that 75 percent of the new stuff they play sucks, then you're in.
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#3 Posted on 17.9.03 1004.01
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Depressing as it might be, "The One I Love" is about fifteen years old now.
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#4 Posted on 17.9.03 1218.08
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Philly's classic rock station hasn't played any REM, PJ, or Nirvana, but I have heard U2 played.
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#5 Posted on 17.9.03 1345.45
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My personal theory on Classic Rock and how to date it is easy, and most of my friends have picked up on it and said it's logical. Anything pre Van Halen is classic, anything post isn't.
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#6 Posted on 17.9.03 1803.12
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Around here, it seems like 10 years is the cut-off for what's considered "classic." Nirvana's "Smells Like Teen Spirit" and "Come As You Are," both around ten years old, are being played on the classic rock station here, as well as stuff from Pearl Jam's "Ten" album. I've been hearing REM on said station for the last few years as well, pretty much everything up to "Losing My Religion."
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#7 Posted on 18.9.03 0556.19
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Sadly, I've heard Peter Gabriel on the classic rock station.
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#8 Posted on 18.9.03 1041.19
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Well, when I first heard "You Might Think" by The Cars on Classic Rock I knew I was old. I remember when they were New Wave.
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#9 Posted on 18.9.03 1357.51
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Well, I wouldn't complain about that happening here... the local modern/new/whatever rock station was taken out back behind the woodshed and shot on Monday. Now it's "Power 104"... ANOTHER hip-hop station. God, the name almost sounds like something out of Crank Yankers. But THAT'S what makes me feel really old... I remember them changing formats to modern rock, back in, what, 1994? I mean, they were playing tripe lately, but it's still kinda sad.

But more to the point, if some other station's playing that stuff, then good, because the closest station to that just went baibai.
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#10 Posted on 18.9.03 1430.24
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    Originally posted by StaggerLee
    Well, when I first heard "You Might Think" by The Cars on Classic Rock I knew I was old. I remember when they were New Wave.


Yesterday, I briefly had on a Clear Channel, Oldies, station Magic 105.7. Get this, they played "My Best Friends Girlfriend." Yes, on an oldies station. Just letting you know so you can sign up for the upcoming shuffleboard tournament.

I've noticed the Infinity Classic rock station in these parts have been shifting over to more of a late 80's rock format; U2, Def Lep, GnR and such. It's slowly creeping up to my day and age, but not quite. Luckily for my ego, I was a fan of early 70's rock first then the early 90's, both after the fact. So, why you guys are being aged, I still feel like a spring chicken.
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#11 Posted on 18.9.03 1711.31
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In Toledo we have a station that specializes in "Toledo's New Rock", but play The Clash's "Should I Stay Or Should I Go". Jesus how old is this song?Wasnt it released on the same album as "Rock The Casbah"? I may be wrong............
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#12 Posted on 18.9.03 1838.52
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it's called a "recurrent" AKA "flashback." almost every station throws out something older to keep you hooked in just when you were about to change stations because a bunch of new and utterly crappy songs just got played all in a row.
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#13 Posted on 18.9.03 1852.45
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FWIW to ya, Simba, 'ZLX was playing Unforgettable Fire era U2 by the time Achtung Baby had come out.

But Boston has sort of had an unexplained love affair with U2, as I'm sure you know by now. I mean, even moreso than the rest of the world. Except Bush.

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#14 Posted on 21.9.03 1147.25
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I belive Classic Rock is from the 60's to the end of the 70's. 80's rock I dont think is Classic.
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#15 Posted on 21.9.03 1817.05
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    Originally posted by Spaceman Spiff
    Philly's classic rock station hasn't played any REM, PJ, or Nirvana, but I have heard U2 played.


Are you talking about WMMR? I remember when WYSP was classic rock, their spin was they could play new songs by people were classified as classic rock, like Springsteen or Peter Gabriel. Later, they added "new classic" people like U2.

I always thought it odd that certain old songs were classic but not others. Like, why are AC/DC and Blue Oyster Cult classic rock, but not Black Sabbath?
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#16 Posted on 21.9.03 1936.33
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    Originally posted by odessasteps
    I always thought it odd that certain old songs were classic but not others. Like, why are AC/DC and Blue Oyster Cult classic rock, but not Black Sabbath?


Does that depend on region? Y'see, the classic rock station here plays Sabbath pretty often (the usual radio hits, Iron Man, Paranoid, War Pigs).
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#17 Posted on 22.9.03 0207.36
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    Originally posted by Dagent913
      Originally posted by odessasteps
      I always thought it odd that certain old songs were classic but not others. Like, why are AC/DC and Blue Oyster Cult classic rock, but not Black Sabbath?


    Does that depend on region? Y'see, the classic rock station here plays Sabbath pretty often (the usual radio hits, Iron Man, Paranoid, War Pigs).


No, it don't depend on the region, depends on the company (Clear Channel, Infinity, Cumulus) I get the big 3 from sabbath when i listen to the radio, I never recall hearing something else.

I think that Sabbath version 1.0 is too doom and gloom for 70's rock. On the emotional level I think they sound better when put side by side with Nirvana in a radio format then say Kiss or AC/DC hell even Iron Maiden for that matter. At least up untill 'Sabbath Bloody Sabbath' when they started to sound a little more heavy metal.

In the meantime, I'll still try to request classic rock WNCX to play hand of doom.



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#18 Posted on 22.9.03 0410.19
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OK, now we're talking about my profession here. (One of the two, anyway.)

Different "classic rock" radio stations have different philosophies. Yes, one reason for that is the ownership; companies tend to repeat what's worked for them. But it also depends on the market. Some cities have a larger audience for the harder rock than others, and the stations also have to consider what other stations they are competing with--and who owns them. If a classic rock and an active rock station in the same market are part of the same company, they're less likely to play the same songs, in most cases.

The Philly station being referenced was, no doubt, 102.9 WMGK. It tends to the "lighter" side of classic rock; for many years they used the moniker "classic hits" rather than "classic rock". That tends to mean not playing Sabbath or Metallica, and playing more of the poppier 70s stuff (America, Cat Stevens, that sort of thing). 'MGK has gotten a little less soft but they're still pretty office-friendly. And I don't think they play anything released after the 80s.

The classic rock station in New York (Q104) is a little bit harder, but still in a similar part of the spectrum. I have, however, heard them throwing in some 90s stuff, including a bit of Pearl Jam and Nirvana. Also, unlike WMGK, they will play new songs by classic rock artists; lately I've been hearing them play "Say You Will" by Fleetwood Mac and "Red White And Blue" by Lynyrd Skynyrd a lot.

The northeast tends to be home to softer classic rock stations; in the midwest, for example, they tend to be a bit more into the heavy stuff. In some markets, stations have adopted a format called "Classic Rock That Really Rocks"; they get rid of the softer stuff, including playing less of the Eagles or Elton John, and play more hard-rock stuff. Most of those stations do play 90s stuff and play some currents as well.

Despite what a couple of people have suggested, as far as radio is concerned 80s stuff is definately classic rock. I don't know of any classic rock stations that don't play lots of 80s stuff. Peter Gabriel, REM, the Clash, and the like are pretty standard classic rock fare. (And, really, Peter Gabriel has solo stuff going back to 1977 and Genesis stuff before that--how could he NOT be classic rock?)

As for oldies, traditionally most oldies stations cut off in the early 70s, although they typicallymade exceptions a few stray cuts from after that (e.g. "Old Time Rock And Roll"). In recent years, though, they've had to confront the fact that much of their audience is in or near the age group where advertisers don't care about them any more. This has led to oldies stations playing little music from the 50s, and in many cases adding songs from the late 70s or even later. I don't know of too many oldies stations that play The Cars, but, then, they did have big hits starting about 25 years ago. (Oldies stations that play a lot of 80s tend to stick more to the Whitney Houston types as well as 80s hits by veteran artists like Steve Winwood, Aretha, etc.) Still, I don't think too much of the 80s stuff is really compatible with the traditional oldies, and I think in most places we'll see oldies stations on FM dying out within the next few years, unless the advertising agencies decide to pursue older consumers again.

One minor correction--in radio, the term "recurrent" refers to a song that's no longer new, but still recent. Something like "How You Remind Me" by Nickleback or "No Such Thing" by John Mayer would be considered a "recurrent". A "flashback" song like "Should I Stay or Should I Go" (which, yes, came from the same album as "Rock The Casbah") would be referred to in the industry as a "gold" or "oldie" title (the latter may be somewhat confusing, in that it's an "oldie" relative to the other songs that station plays, but it would never be played by an "oldies" station). A station that plays mostly new music obviously doesn't think that people are going to turn the dial because of the new music, but they would figure that the presence of those older songs would make things more comfortable for relatively older listeners and that young listeners would accept it since the Clash is probably a big influence on a lot of the music they play.
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#19 Posted on 22.9.03 1237.48
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    The Philly station being referenced was, no doubt, 102.9 WMGK. It tends to the "lighter" side of classic rock; for many years they used the moniker "classic hits" rather than "classic rock". That tends to mean not playing Sabbath or Metallica, and playing more of the poppier 70s stuff (America, Cat Stevens, that sort of thing). 'MGK has gotten a little less soft but they're still pretty office-friendly. And I don't think they play anything released after the 80s.

Yep. I don't listen a great deal, so I haven't heard any U2 lately on WMGK, but I do remember hearing some U2 and earlier Van Halen a while back (about 1 year ago).
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#20 Posted on 22.9.03 1605.47
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Station around here has been playing "The One I Love" for YEARS, but none of the early 90's music as of yet.

On the other hand, they tend to play "Smooth" just because it's a Santana song.
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