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|#1 Posted on 10.9.03 2206.45 |
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| I was looking forward to the PPV tonight, never having bought a TNA PPV before. The crappy Raw on Monday night really raised my hopes for this show -- I didn't really expect too much, but at least it wouldn't be as boring, right? Maybe the people saying that TNA was a fun alternative to the WWE are right ... here's their chance to sell themselves to me.|
Opening match was good. Belt-hanging-from-a-wire is a nice change of pace from a ladder match, and there were some good spots and moves in there. Ending was a little anti-climatic, but what the hell.
Tag team cage match was very good, but not nearly as good as the recappers online have been pimping. Maybe it's because I'm not familiar with the feud, but I've seen at least two Big Show matches this year that I've enjoyed as much if not more than this match. Please don't hate me. Norman Smiley is a champ though (even if he did lose the belts ) and AMW look very good.
Swinger and Simon are the new tag champs though. Good for them. My feet are up and I'm digging the show a lot so far ...
And then the PPV drops into the depths of Russo-booked hell. A recap of Raven-Shane Douglas-Sinister Minister that went on and on and on and on. Fuck, that recap of the feud must have lasted 35 minutes. What a dog's breakfast.
Raven-Jarrett was terrible. Overbooked and clipped to hell. Not to mention the fact that for the last 35 minutes I've been watching Face Raven fight the Evil Heels, now they turn around and show Evil Raven fight the Courageous and Unbeatable Jeff Jarrett. Woof.
Russo! Russo! Russo! "Russo is back! That sunofabitch!" "Russo has a guitar!" "Russo has a shovel!" "Russo has a bat!" "Russo has turned on Jarrett!" "How will Jarrett deal with AJ Styles with RUSSO~ running interference?"
It was very nice seeing Sting back in action. I would buy TNA next week for the full price ... if it didn't remind me so much of the dying days of WCW. So much talent and potential, squandered.
Edit: When I said Norman Smiley, my brain was of course turned off and I meant Elix Skipper. D'oh!
(edited by Gavintzu on 11.9.03 1112)
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|#2 Posted on 10.9.03 2218.27 |
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| They really didn't pick out the best bunch of matches to put on the PPV. I've seen every show they have offered and they left off a lot of the great X-division matches that made them so good. |
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|ICQ: || ||#3 Posted on 10.9.03 2252.11 |
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| I've been following the shows lately and ordered the last couple before tonight...it really seems like they're getting it figured out....no more groups like SEX lumped together for no real reason, no more of the "he used to be in ECW so we can use him" mentality, even the overbooking hsan't been as bad. Guys have been used more how they should be (Gilberti as a manager, Harris Brothers as invisible men) and the shows flow week to week. The only thing TNA needs to overcome is putting too much stock in guys they don't have every week. Example: Sting and Waltman headline the anniversary show. Sting, I suppose, makes sense...but Waltman? That didn't. Even if everyone who ordered the show loved his appearance it doesn't matter since they weren't going to use him anymore anyway. There is a lot of good talent in TNA, though, and as Russo keeps getting away from the stereotypical Russo booking, the product seems to be getting better and better. I hope the one cent experiment works out for them, because their progress really should be rewarded. |
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|#4 Posted on 10.9.03 2347.51 |
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| Gotta agree: the cage match was great, and put most of the WWE's output over the last few months to shame -- but a ***** automatic MOTY? I dunno. I'm going to have to sit down and rewatch Benoit/Angle from this year's Rumble, but going by my memories, I feel confident sticking with that as my MOTY pick. |
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|#5 Posted on 11.9.03 0003.09 |
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| I thought the match was ok...but way overrated. There were multiple spots that were either blown or really sloppy, and outside of the blood, I didn't see this as anything special. I thought it was *** |
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|#6 Posted on 11.9.03 0558.18 |
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| I thought it was alright, I guess. The one thing that upsets me, though, is that I've seen almost everyone on the PPV in some capacity or another, but the one guy I really wanted to check out, Amazing Red, wasn't even on it. And you could really tell that Russo booked those world title feuds. R*U*S*S*O is how you spell clusterfuck. The matches I thought were solid, though, but if I'm the WWE I'm not real worried right now. Also, I know it's been a few years since I've seen either of them, but I remember Brian Lee as being a lot bigger, and Johnny Swinger as being a whole lot smaller. |
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|AIM: || ||#7 Posted on 11.9.03 0947.49 |
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| I found that while I still loved the cage match, it lost something out of the week-to-week context. When it aired live, it was the culmination of such a solid buildup and feud that you really felt like it was the perfect blowoff to a feud. Especially with all the AMW intra-team tension of a while back there was a sense that they could still pull the trigger on them breaking up and thus letting them lose this match. In retrospect it wasn't quite as good as I thought, but it was still a solid **** or so match. I do revise my vote though for MOTY back to Benoit/Angle. |
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|#8 Posted on 11.9.03 1031.23 |
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| Having never watched TNA before last night, here are a few of my thoughts:|
Ultimate X match - Frankie Kazarian looked like the best of the bunch to me, although Sabin's opening enziguiri was -wicked-. Didn't seem terribly spectacular to me, probably because it didn't have psychology and yet, for a spotfest, there didn't seem to be that many spectacular spots. It's certainly no TLC match...
AMW/XXX cage match: Really good match. AMW didn't seem to get a lot of offense except for the one flurry by Harris and the ending. Elix Skipper looked like the star of the match to me, though, I dunno.
Raven is one of my all-time favorites, so obviously I loved everything he did. It was sure nice to see him treated like a star, that's for sure. Shane Douglas impressed me with his promos and his look (a lot better than he was in WCW a few years back, anyway), but I saw almost nothing of his ringwork so I imagine it's still middling.
Note to A.J. Styles: Your manager should not be a foot taller than you. It looks bad. Get away from Russo ASAP.
A.J. looked great in the ring, but he also looks about fifteen years old.
Jeff Jarrett desperately needs to cut his hair again.
And I, too, really wanted to see the Amazing Red. Just the stuff in the opening highlight reel had us drooling for more.
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|#9 Posted on 11.9.03 1052.57 |
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| I just finished watching the TNA PPV, and I guess it was okay. I think how I feel can best be described by analogy.|
Twinkies are tasty. They are quick, and fun and guilty little pleasure. There is no substance to them, but they will fill your belly and give you a sugar rush. One or two twinkies at a time is fine, but if you have four or five you start to feel pretty ill. Grandma's pound cake on the other hand, has a little more to it. The is some subtly to the flavor and texture, it's more wholesome and you can down a whole loaf of it before you even realize what you've done. Neither one have the taste, quality and nutritional content of a fine steak, but you can see my point.
Like a twinkie, TNA gets the job done. It's a lot of flash- what with sexy dancing girls and every match ending in blood and every spot a high-flying one- but not much substance. Wrestlers are so busy being "extreme." that their moves look sloppy and unpracticed. The WWE provides the simplistic subtly of homemade cake, nothing too elaborate- but enough that when some bleeds, it means something. Punches are crisper and move sequences tighter.
TNA is fast-paced and exciting, but like a too many Twinkies, 2 hours was too much. I was sick of it by the end. I'm not calling the WWE high art by any means, but Grandma's pound cake is a hell of a lot closer to a nutritional breakfast than a box of Twinkies, right?
To close, would I watch it again for free or for a penny? Probably- what kind of fool would turn that down? But would I pay $10 to see it? Why would I when I've all ready got pound cake for free?
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|AIM: || ||#10 Posted on 11.9.03 1127.08 |
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Originally posted by Tenken347
Also, I know it's been a few years since I've seen either of them, but I remember Brian Lee as being a lot bigger, and Johnny Swinger as being a whole lot smaller.
Along the same lines, this was the first TNA I ordered in about a year. During the inception of the show I ordered for the first few weeks, but stopped because of the pricing. As a result I hadn't seen Elix Skipper in about a year and man has he packed on some muscle. Brian Lee really looked sickly thin.
As far as the show itself, I thought it did a good job of showcasing what it wanted to try to attract a larger and new audience. They showed off the X and Tag division quite nicely and gave some decent time to Styles and the Heavyweight title. The recap of the Douglas/Raven feud really dragged the show down. It just kept going on and on and on. By the time they were finished I found it tough to watch the rest of the show and like Gavintzu said, it was weird how they spent a half hour showcasing the face Raven battling the heel Douglas and then turning around and showing heel Raven against face Double J. It was quite confusing. Way too much Russo as well. We did get to see Da Towah of Powah, Too Thweet Ta Be Thowah, Funkah Like a Monkah, Da Legend, Thtardutht, Duthtuh Rhodeth, Baybuh!!! So the show is A-OK in my book.
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|#11 Posted on 11.9.03 1252.07 |
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| I can't complain about the show, I saw most of the matches, but I didn't get a chance to see the Triple X cage match from start to finish the first time, so I'm glad they showed that again. Man that was fun. No complaints out of me, and Russo, really hasn't been as annoying as I thought. Actually, he adds to things lately. So, there you go folks. TNA, where WWE's sloppy seconds come in first!|
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|#12 Posted on 11.9.03 1654.15 |
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| Hmmm...after reading all of these lukewarm responses to the PPV, I feel slightly less annoyed that I ordered the thing (but had to record it since I have to work late) and ended up with two hours of an "Experiencing Technical Difficulties" message. I doubt it's worth going through the trouble of trying to get the penny back.|
It is going to be shown again this weekend at the same price, isn't it? If so, I will actually be able to see it when it is shown and correct the glitch if it happens.
Then the question becomes: Is the PPV worth TWO pennies?
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|#13 Posted on 11.9.03 1737.33 |
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| Hell yes. "Lukewarm" responses aside, it's well worth it to get the cage match and the Ultimate X match for $0.02, even if they're not the be-all and end-all some folks have made them out to be. |
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|AIM: || ||#14 Posted on 11.9.03 1812.49 |
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| For one cent, I can't really complain. I had already seen the Ultimate X match and looked forward to this PPV just for the Tag Team Cage Match. And I got what I wanted.|
As for Brian Lee, he wasn't that thin last May or June. He then disappeared for about a month. When he came back, people were shocked at how thin he was. The next week he looked even thinner. This scared TNA officials abit and I think Brian's getting his act together. Which is why Sinn/Synn (however you spell it) is now part of the New Church. I'm wondering what happened to Mike Awesome. He also joined the New Church and disappeared after a few weeks.
And Frankie has definitely worked his butt off since coming to TNA. Frankie Kazarian reminds me of RVD, but more charismatic and a better wrestler. He's got this real "cool guy" vibe down here in the SoCal indy scene and comes to the ring to "You're the Best" from the Karate Kid soundtrack. How can you not love this man? I could see him coming to WWE in the future.
Back to last night's TNA, I really think they should've put in another X-Division match and taken out the Sting match and even the D'Lo/Styles cage match. Also the Low-Ki/AJ Styles main event from a few weeks ago would be a good choice to show off the current champ's skills. Other than that, I can't really complain over a show that's practically free. I hope it does draw in new fans though.
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|#15 Posted on 11.9.03 1859.54 |
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| I liked how championship matches were announced as "sanctioned by the NWA" - that really makes it sound more official. And, overall, the in-ring announcer did a good job. Sure, he doesn't look all that great (and his choice of clothing doesn't help him look like much more than a clean-for-now-stoner), but he has a voice.|
It seems like the ring is smaller than the WW's
Overall: I know it's a "best-of" show, so they can edit and only show what they want, but, still, this show was better than any Raw we've had for a few months. If I can be convinced that TNA can have this quality on all their PPVs, I certainly know which company would get MY PPV money. WW - time to repent!
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|#16 Posted on 12.9.03 1556.45 |
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| I watched NWA-TNA for the first time with that one cent PPV offer. I have to say I enjoyed seeing many of the stars I haven't seen in a while (Raven, AJ Styles, Jeff Jarret) and experiencing future superstars (Amazing Red, The X division). I loved the video highlights of the X division at the beginning. The quality of the matches was far superior to WWE. The only this was how redundent getting busted wide open can be.|
I feel the have a lot of talent that is not being utilized in the correct manner. The writters must create better story lines around some great superstars such as New Jack, Sandman, Sabu, Jerry Lynn, Justin Credible, Kid Kash, Julio Dinero and Ron Killings.
These are just observations from watching one ppv. I'm sure if I saw more my views would change.
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|AIM: || ||#17 Posted on 12.9.03 2347.27 |
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| I thought the PPV was decent, although I could have done with less Russo and Jarret, and more X division guys. Also, I think that Frankie Kazarian looks like Antonio Bandaras. That is all. |
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|#18 Posted on 13.9.03 0612.52 |
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| The reason Raven got so much airtime is because essentially, he's the most over babyface they have on the roster, despite Jeff trying to horn in on everything. |
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