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#1 Posted on 19.2.02 1243.51
Reposted on: 19.2.09 1259.04
I don't feel like weeding through 5 pages of the RAW thread so I'll just post this here.

It seems to me that the only reason Angle won at No Way Out was so they could have the re-match on RAW and send the fans home happy after ROCK got murdered by the nWo.

Speaking of the Rock/nWo angle. If they really wanted that to have any impact, they should have canceled the rest of the show after it happened and just played some old matches or something. It would have killed the ratings, but then the segment would have really had credibility. Not that it wasn't a good segment. I though it was awesome. Maybe a little over the top, but it was still really really good tv.
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#2 Posted on 19.2.02 1253.11
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I thought the Rock/nWo truck bit was superb, as well. Even though we all know that Rocky is perfectly fine, it was still a chilling segment. When the nWo looked in the back and then ran off in horror, I had trouble sleeping due to the terrible mental images of a bloody, mangled Rock that kept running through my mind. By not showing the damage to the Rock, it left it to the imagination.

Also, I know that some people were offended that the commentators were selling it like a legit incident, but they're just trying to tell a dramatic story. Give them a break.

I liked Raw a bunch, best one in months!

Love & Peace, all.
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#3 Posted on 19.2.02 1308.11
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    Originally posted by Tomoyo
    When the nWo looked in the back and then ran off in horror, I had trouble sleeping due to the terrible mental images of a bloody, mangled Rock that kept running through my mind.


That's certainly...you might need to get out more.


    Originally posted by MarchOfThePigs
    If they really wanted that to have any impact, they should have canceled the rest of the show after it happened and just played some old matches or something. It would have killed the ratings


Which is exactly why they didn't do what you suggested.

BDC

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#4 Posted on 19.2.02 1316.43
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      Originally posted by MarchOfThePigs
      If they really wanted that to have any impact, they should have canceled the rest of the show after it happened and just played some old matches or something. It would have killed the ratings


    Which is exactly why they didn't do what you suggested.

    BDC




I love the way you basterdized the quote.
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#5 Posted on 19.2.02 1329.17
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Sorry if I came across as dumb, it's just that I've been in a few bad car wrecks in my life so it kinda got to me. It wasn't done as silly as the whole HHH car being dropped 50 feet or whatever. Just giving my opinion, isn't that what the messageboards are for? Sorry for whining. WM X8 should be interesting.
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#6 Posted on 19.2.02 1440.47
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I kind of wanted them - since they weren't going to go ahead and give us an explodin' ambulance - to show some grizzled EMT vomiting or something when the second ambulance took Rock away, so horrified would he have been by the sight of Rock after he got the Maximum Overdrive treatment.

I'll say this about the whole truck attack and Hogan last night - it was really stupid and wildly over the top. Completely out there and ridiculous, complete with goofy camera angles of Hogan leaning out of the truck cab (like the magic forklift cam from Halftime Heat). And for that, I loved it.

I'm not sure about people accepting it as straight-up good wrestling or good TV, because I really wouldn't consider it that. But I freely admit to being perversely entertained when they go so far over the top that things just defy logic or even explanation. Like Kane's Deadly Mystical Lightning. Undertaker rising from the dead and floating around the arena. Sid getting his own car crushed and yelling "WHY ME?!" to the heavens. Rock throwing Austin off the bridge (and the zany camera angle showing Austin plummeting into his watery grave).

It's bad, but bad done with a wholehearted effort that achieves its own level of humor. And maybe no one is better at it than Hogan, who I think finally proved that he's at least partly in on the joke, dropping in "chugonnado?!", letting Rock actually call him "The Immortal Hulk Hogan" and adding a new twist to his increasingly Pecos Bill-like retelling of the Andre story. Hogan is FUNNY. Yappapi Strap with Strapation and Bubbling Flesh? Funny. The big backstroke out of the frame after talking about slamming Andre through the Earth's crust, thus causing a tidal wave that destroys Atlantic City, requiring Hogan to swim with thousands of Hulkamaniacs and Donald Trump clinging to his back for safety? Funny. Spraypainting the beard on? Funny. And if he wasn't in on the joke all along, he at least seems to be now.

Ignoring the rest of the show, which even the performers seemed to do rather easily...the Hogan/Rock meeting itself was good. What came after - well, I'm not inclined to agree with the praise that it was a really monumental or great or groundbreaking moment in sports entertainment. Really, the appeal to the truck attack was the same "Are they really doing this?" absurd humor WCW had almost every week when they had the nWo leave Flair for dead in a field with just a lonely cameraman or had the Outsiders film themselves running the Steiners off the road, then provide the tape as irrefutable evidence that they DIDN'T do it. If you're into that kind of rasslin' wackiness, which I occassionally am when they get it right, you might have really missed out on some of WCW's goofier moments.

Jim Ross, you are no Tony Schiavone.
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#7 Posted on 19.2.02 1501.33
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    Originally posted by Tomoyo
    I thought the Rock/nWo truck bit was superb, as well. Even though we all know that Rocky is perfectly fine, it was still a chilling segment. When the nWo looked in the back and then ran off in horror, I had trouble sleeping due to the terrible mental images of a bloody, mangled Rock that kept running through my mind. By not showing the damage to the Rock, it left it to the imagination.

    Also, I know that some people were offended that the commentators were selling it like a legit incident, but they're just trying to tell a dramatic story. Give them a break.

    I liked Raw a bunch, best one in months!

    Love & Peace, all.



You absolutely did not come off as dumb. Please, accept my apologies as a moderator of the board for the fact that you were attacked for expressing your opinion. That's certainly not the environment that we are looking to foster here.

Don't feel intimadated - please post again. I'm sorry this happened.

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#8 Posted on 19.2.02 1510.42
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    Originally posted by Tomoyo
    Also, I know that some people were offended that the commentators were selling it like a legit incident, but they're just trying to tell a dramatic story. Give them a break

I'm glad you said this, as this was something I wanted to comment on as I've seen it in various places here and other sites. I know many people have expressed great disgust and used the Owen Hart tragedy to make their point. But I just can't help but feel like people are using that to justify stopping angles they don't personally enjoy. The idea of a serious injury occuring is found all the time on shows which are about fictional characters, which is what the WWF is. The fact that there have been a few horrible and undeniably tragic occurences over the past years (Droz, Bagwell, Owen) should not be used as a restraint on the storytelling unless it directly references the incident. Now if Jim Ross had said something like "This is the most tragic day in WWF history since the death of Owen Hart" then I would be more than happy to support that sort of complaint. But that did not happen. Instead someone pretended to injure another person, and the commentators ran with that storyline. The fact that this show happens to seemingly blur the line between fantasy and reality should not place on them any more restraints than on any other tv show. After all, somehow Friends is allowed to tell their stories without dealing with the aftermath of 9/11. This is because all of these shows take place in a fictional world, which just happens to be very much like the one we live in, except for where it's not.
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#9 Posted on 20.2.02 0249.45
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So the nWo actually has a way to be a threat indeed and the wwf is being lame doing this?
For weeks people bitch about 'how can 3 old men be any threat to rocky?'
Here you have it..run him down..Hummer style if I might add The total wcw/nwo style of doing things, over the top is THE way of these three. Nothing bad with that.

And as for announcers selling it seriously. It really sucks if you have been in a car accident or anything resembling this, but does that mean the WWF cannot do anything that resembles real life? In fact, i doubt it many people get run down by three lunatics who thinkn they are 20 while in an ambulance..(no offense to anyone by this..all i wanna say it 'relax, its just tv! worse things happen in real time dramas or movies')
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#10 Posted on 20.2.02 0920.01
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They could steal one of those nuclear warheads and try to blow up the arena one night. That would also be a major threat. Maybe some kind of nWo brand poison gas.

I'm not really trying to grind an axe here, because as I said above, I was amused and entertained by the whole thing, which is good enough sometimes. But the whole concept of the nWo this time around is kind of inherently goofy. It seems like Hall, Nash and Hogan were hanging around in some nWo headquarters all this time, waiting for a federation to call them up and acquire their promotion-poisoning services. Maybe Vince caught an ad on late night TV and called up. Hogan took the call, hit the nWo alarm and yelled "We got one!" and Nash slid down the fire pole to the garage, where Hall was tuning up the Hummer.

It's just weird, but I'm willing to try to embrace it as such.
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#11 Posted on 20.2.02 0934.43
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    Originally posted by Dr Unlikely
    They could steal one of those nuclear warheads and try to blow up the arena one night. That would also be a major threat. Maybe some kind of nWo brand poison gas.

    I'm not really trying to grind an axe here, because as I said above, I was amused and entertained by the whole thing, which is good enough sometimes. But the whole concept of the nWo this time around is kind of inherently goofy. It seems like Hall, Nash and Hogan were hanging around in some nWo headquarters all this time, waiting for a federation to call them up and acquire their promotion-poisoning services. Maybe Vince caught an ad on late night TV and called up. Hogan took the call, hit the nWo alarm and yelled "We got one!" and Nash slid down the fire pole to the garage, where Hall was tuning up the Hummer.

    It's just weird, but I'm willing to try to embrace it as such.



Oh my god.. this might be the best booking idea ever! I'd so mark out for the nWo becoming the old Batman show! To the nWo cave! NAHNAHNAHNAHNAHNAHNAHNAHNAH.. HOGAN! HOGAN!

*blinks* being goofy and easily entertained is the best trait I can imagine.
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#12 Posted on 20.2.02 0951.33
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That was a Ghostbusters reference there, bunky.
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#13 Posted on 20.2.02 0957.39
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    Originally posted by CRZ
    That was a Ghostbusters reference there, bunky.


Doesn't mean I can't turn it into the old batman.. while ghostbusters might in fact be one of the coolest movies ever, it doesn't have the same lack of style that batman had.. batman may be the most hilarious thing ever, and I find it much more applicable to the nWo..

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#14 Posted on 20.2.02 1445.47
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And who could fight such an evil group as this nuclear-warhead-stealing NWO? Why, for someone to stand up to them, he's have to be... a superhero!

STAND BACK
THERE'S A HURRICANE COMING THROUGH
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#15 Posted on 20.2.02 2147.17
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While this entire idea is far, far too silly for human consumption, I've always had this little bit of me that would mark the hell out if wrestling used those Batman-style "POW" "BAM" "BIFF" captions when people got hit.

"LEGDROP!"
"BACKRAKE!"
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#16 Posted on 21.2.02 2312.21
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    Originally posted by dMp

    It really sucks if you have been in a car accident or anything resembling this, but does that mean the WWF cannot do anything that resembles real life?



I missed RAW due to work, and last night was in an accident and am recovering from whiplash and a concussion. So SmackDown's replay was the first time I saw the segment.

And you know what? I'm not offended. Not in the slightest. Hell, I thought the "Tractor Cam" was a nice touch (though it would have been better if it was in black and white). It's a freaking TV show! They show people gteting in car wrecks, being murdered, raped, and a lot of other stuff on other TV shows, why should the WWF be held to a different standard?
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