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#21 Posted on 19.2.02 1822.30
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The Taker CAN work well...but only if he can find a niche. I mean, his matches against Maven were...crappy...but that's only because...of...uh... Okay, fine. The Undertaker *is* pretty damned old (older than Foley, and can move & work worse than he could) and lazy (no-selling everything) and old (whoops, think I already covered it). I say, have him turn face and have a Title vs. Career Match at SummerSlam or something and have Benoit or Jericho or Angle get rid of him once and for all! That way, we won't have to see the UnderSeller slloooooowwwwwllllllyyyy die before us every Sunday, Monday and Thursday night.
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#22 Posted on 19.2.02 1832.24
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You know, if I worked in the wrestling business for 15 years, working 300 days a year and someone who's never wrestled came up to ME and told ME I was lazy and needed to retire, I'd be pretty freakin' pissed!

He's there for our entertainment. Lots of people are entertained by him. He's not chasing the World Title, nor is he holding down the pushes of other wrestlers. If Vince had someone in mind for UT to put over, UT would do it, OR then UT could kiss his ass goodbye.

Undertaker can stay as long as Vince feels he's contributing to the company. If that means his role is simply to maintain control in the locker room, or be the World Champion, he's gonna do what he's told.
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#23 Posted on 19.2.02 2128.08
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    Originally posted by cfgb
    You know, if I worked in the wrestling business for 15 years, working 300 days a year and someone who's never wrestled came up to ME and told ME I was lazy and needed to retire, I'd be pretty freakin' pissed!

    He's there for our entertainment. Lots of people are entertained by him. He's not chasing the World Title, nor is he holding down the pushes of other wrestlers. If Vince had someone in mind for UT to put over, UT would do it, OR then UT could kiss his ass goodbye.

    Undertaker can stay as long as Vince feels he's contributing to the company. If that means his role is simply to maintain control in the locker room, or be the World Champion, he's gonna do what he's told.



Well said !
I didn't see the fact mentioned in this thread about him doing the JOB to Maven , not once , but TWICE !
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#24 Posted on 19.2.02 2131.51
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      Well said !
      I didn't see the fact mentioned in this thread about him doing the JOB to Maven , not once , but TWICE !




Look at the first post in the thread. Besides, those two jobs hardly boost Maven's credibility or hurt Taker's image.
I like Taker, and I never jumped on the "RETIRE!" bandwagon.

(edited by TheBucsFan on 19.2.02 2232)
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#25 Posted on 19.2.02 2141.36
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Aw shit , my bad .
All I know is , TAKER RULES !
I've been on his bandwagon since he was The Master Of Pain in Memphis .
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#26 Posted on 19.2.02 2215.39
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    Originally posted by EastCoastAvenger
    He just may feud with the NWO later, in fact, I hope to see him reunite with the Acolytes and just run roughshod over Nash, Hall, and Hogan so bad that they're forced to call in the rest of the band!


Oooh.. THAT will be entertaining. Why not get Kronik back and have a 3-way?

Maybe they can rotate rest shifts on top of the ring steps like UT did during his match against Rock. That'll be awesome!!!

And maybe they can put him in the ring with some more young talent like RVD and he can break their backs over a casket!!
To paraphrase your hero, Dennis Leary, he's an asshole.

I appreciate the fact that he "jobbed" to Maven, but I don't appreciate the fact that he sucks.
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#27 Posted on 19.2.02 2222.53
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    Originally posted by asteroidboy

      Originally posted by EastCoastAvenger
      He just may feud with the NWO later, in fact, I hope to see him reunite with the Acolytes and just run roughshod over Nash, Hall, and Hogan so bad that they're forced to call in the rest of the band!


    Oooh.. THAT will be entertaining. Why not get Kronik back and have a 3-way?

    Maybe they can rotate rest shifts on top of the ring steps like UT did during his match against Rock. That'll be awesome!!!

    And maybe they can put him in the ring with some more young talent like RVD and he can break their backs over a casket!!
    To paraphrase your hero, Dennis Leary, he's an asshole.

    I appreciate the fact that he "jobbed" to Maven, but I don't appreciate the fact that he sucks.



I think it's time for someone to sit down and ask themselves the following question: "Why, exactly, do I watch professional wrestling when I obviously want so desperately to hate it so?"
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#28 Posted on 20.2.02 0104.13
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I don't know about you guys but I can't wait to see what the Undertaker has to do to convice Flair to fight him.

I'll admit when the Undertaker was a face and had nothing to do I was a bit down on him, but now he has a PURPOSE. He is out to get Flair, and I don't know about you but The Dirtiest Player in the Game vs The American Badass in what will probably be a street fight gets me excited. I've been on a bit of and anti PPV tirad lately, but if this was on a filler PPV I would buy it in a heartbeat. Plus Taker has looked better in the ring lately than he has in a long time.

Hell, I was stoked when he was teaming with Jericho for awhile. The cowardly heel using the baddest man in the WWF=awsome. Taker isn't even clogging up the upper card, he's making the upper mid card EXCITING and the mid card needs it. I find it very hard to bash Taker these days, and for those that are are either grasping at straws or will never like him no matter what he does.
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#29 Posted on 20.2.02 0329.15
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>I find it very hard to bash Taker these days, and for >those that are are either grasping at straws or will never >like him no matter what he does.

Amen, brother. These are good times for the Taker fans. Six months ago, a thread with a title like this would have been mostly cheap shots and denunciations of biker gimmicks. I could have summarized nearly all the posts without reading them. Funny how the praise is much more various and individual than the spitwads.

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#30 Posted on 20.2.02 0927.55
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I think, since he turned evil again, the Undertaker's character has been a lot more fun. The American Badass was just a watered-down Austin without any of the interesting things that make Austin fun to watch. What he's doing now is more like that period he had with Big Show, where he's altered his interview style and tapped into something a lot more entertaining. I still don't like his matches, but he's bringing something to the table again unlike he was this time last year or throughout the summer when he was killing Page and Booker in the most boring manner possible.

I figure Just Arn and, if they really need to push it, David Flair, will be where he goes to get Flair to agree to the match.
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#31 Posted on 20.2.02 1649.14
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"I appreciate the fact that he "jobbed" to Maven, but I don't appreciate the fact that he sucks."

First of all, Undertaker doesn't suck. If you personally don't like watching him, change the channel (like I do during Triple H segments - C-span rules this time of night!), make a sammich, take a dump, do something other than whining to me and everyone else here about how much he "sucks!


"Oooh.. THAT will be entertaining. Why not get Kronik back and have a 3-way?

Maybe they can rotate rest shifts on top of the ring steps like UT did during his match against Rock. That'll be awesome!!!

And maybe they can put him in the ring with some more young talent like RVD and he can break their backs over a casket!!
To paraphrase your hero, Dennis Leary, he's an asshole."

I pointed out some good characteristics of the current Undertaker and also some inconsistencies in the IWC's general attitude towards different wrestlers and you resort to weak sarcasm and name calling. I think there's absolutely no doubt as to who the REAL asshole is here! Like I said before, Whatever. If you like him, like him, If you don't, don't. He'll be on my tv until he isn't and until that day, I'll enjoy watching him whoop ass biker-style!
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#32 Posted on 20.2.02 1940.36
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The Undertaker looks like he is having fun with his gimmick now. What's wrong with that? I enjoy watching someone who seems to enjoy what they're doing. I watch wrestling with a smile - it makes it so much more fun.

Smile people!

Please

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#33 Posted on 21.2.02 1006.19
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**I watch wrestling with a smile - it makes it so much more fun.**
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Well said.
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#34 Posted on 21.2.02 1743.10
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    Originally posted by TheBucsFan

      Originally posted by asteroidboy

        Originally posted by EastCoastAvenger
        He just may feud with the NWO later, in fact, I hope to see him reunite with the Acolytes and just run roughshod over Nash, Hall, and Hogan so bad that they're forced to call in the rest of the band!


      Oooh.. THAT will be entertaining. Why not get Kronik back and have a 3-way?

      Maybe they can rotate rest shifts on top of the ring steps like UT did during his match against Rock. That'll be awesome!!!

      And maybe they can put him in the ring with some more young talent like RVD and he can break their backs over a casket!!
      To paraphrase your hero, Dennis Leary, he's an asshole.

      I appreciate the fact that he "jobbed" to Maven, but I don't appreciate the fact that he sucks.



    I think it's time for someone to sit down and ask themselves the following question: "Why, exactly, do I watch professional wrestling when I obviously want so desperately to hate it so?"



Kinda slippery-slope logic, don't you think? Surely there are some Bucs players that you don't like... does that mean you take down your avatar and put up a Cowboys one?
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#35 Posted on 21.2.02 1813.46
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Well, if I don't like a player I don't allow it to ruin my experience as a whole while watching a Bucs game. I am much more likely to say "Keyshawn Johnson is a great receiver" than say "Brad Johnson isn't as good as a lot of 'experts' think he is."
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#36 Posted on 24.2.02 0126.03
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While I agree that it may be time for UT to start winding it down before long, there is absolutely no reason for him to leave now. He's one of the few heels they have that doesn't whine and cheat in every single match, and legitimately seems like a threat to the faces, instead of some "sneaky heel" that doesn't stand a chance when he gets in the ring with the top faces. He can still work a good match every so often (HHH/UT last year was one of my favorite matches of the year), and there's no reason to quit while you are still a) Getting a strong reaction and b) Able to work a decent match.

As far as Wrestlemania with Flair goes, I have no idea what they are going to do. Personally, I think it makes absolutely no sense to put Flair over since he's not an active wrestler....but I wouldn't be surprised if they do have Flair win just because Vince has some weird hangup with a guy never being beaten at Wrestlemania before they retire. Frankly, if any guy deserves to never be beaten at 'mania, it's UT.

I have a feeling we'll see UT take on the nWo before the year is out, possibly even back in the zombie gimmick. It would be a cool way to close out his career, if that's where he's heading.

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#37 Posted on 24.2.02 0135.07
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BucsFan, to follow up on your analogy don't you ever find yourself wondering what the Bucs could do to be a better team though? Because that's what I'm feeling when I say I don't want to watch the Undertaker. There are things I enjoy and things I don't in the WWF. One of those things I don't is watching the Undertaker. Just as the Bucs shooting Brad Johnson out of one of those cannons at Raymond James Stadium would help make the Bucs a better, more enjoyable team to watch, so would the downgrading of the UT to a less frequent, less high-placed character. Admittedly there's no objective measure of this like there could be of the Bucs with or without Johnson, but rather just a subjective judgment based on my own opinion. But then there's not much else to work with here is there?
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#38 Posted on 24.2.02 1314.49
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When the face American BadAss character first reared its ugly head a few years ago, anyone watching UT's matches would have to admit he'd taken the word "plodding" to a new stratosphere of boredom.
But even worse, at that time he was standing in the way of a lot of young talent. And whenever he appeared on my TV screen, I surfed to football or whatever. Back then, brothers, I too muttered "Retire, you slob!"

But things are different now.

All those bad habits are gone, or at least in remission. Good workrate, over as a heel, enjoying himself (and it shows), shares with others ... all in all, UT's still got it, and he's a nice change of pace from the catchphrase posse.

Here's an angle I'm sure Vince can turn into innocuous cartoon: Taker goes up against the nWo, Hogan&Co. try an ambush beatdown, but something goes horribly wrong and they end up actually killing him!

Then, of course, he comes back as the Dead Man.
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#39 Posted on 25.2.02 0427.03
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Could it be that Taker is stepping up to the plate to prove the young guys or nWo that you should do everything for the company and work your ass off?

Or maybe he is not bothered by crappy injuries..

I always enjoyed him but now he is just awesome..
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#40 Posted on 25.2.02 2131.49
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yeah.... i've watched him as the dead man.... in the ministry... against jake the snake.... against yoko.... as the bad ass.... i have to say now that he's fun to watch... and he's looking like hes having a hell of a lot of fun out there...
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