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#1 Posted on 27.8.03 1955.05
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The Observer website has been mentioning this year's inductions on and off for a while now, though I didn't realize who actually got in until I came across this passage from Dan Wohlers' latest column.

On a closing note, I want to congratulate Shawn
Michaels and Chris Benoit for their induction into the
Wrestling Observer Hall of Fame. Two guys who deserve
recognition, and represent the business very well. I
feel bad for Ultimo Dragon who missed by two votes,
and unfortunately his prospects for the rest of this
year, and next year don't look too good. Vince has
obviously decided that he's no good, and it's all
Dragon's fault. It couldn't be that Vince pushed him
for one week, and then just stopped out of nowhere.
The Undertaker missed election by 8 votes, and his
vote totals are very interesting if you look at them.
He got 79% of the vote from the retired stars, many of
them already in the Hall. He got something like 65%
from current wrestlers. So he has the respect of his
peers, that's obvious. What did him in was the 20%
from the so-called "wrestling historians." I find
that ironic how a guy can have so much respect from
people who work in the industry, and so little from
people who don't work in it. But spend hours and
hours analyzing facts, and figures about this guy, and
that guy. Something about that just isn't right.
Next year will be another interesting year as Kurt
Angle and Triple H join the ballot. I'll reserve
speaking on that until next year, when the ballots
come out. I think it's safe to say you know my
opinion on Triple H now, if you don't, then go back
and read the beginning of this column again.


Is the Observer such a big deal that guys in the business actually vote on it? Who all gets the votes, anyway, and why is CRZ not one of them?
Also, no matter what you think of his workrate, Undertaker definitely deserves a space in any wrestling hall of fame.
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#2 Posted on 27.8.03 2207.50
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"Is the Observer such a big deal that guys in the business actually vote on it?"

Yes. Jim Ross even alluded to his votes by calling Shawn Michaels a first ballot Hall of Famer. Mike Tenay was on Observer Live to talk about his picks and Mick Foley also mentioned his during his appearance. Voters are anonymous but you can assume based on Dave connections that Bret Hart, Ric Flair, Paul Heyman, Chris Benoit, Chris Jericho, Eddie Guerrero, Bobby Heenan, Pat Patterson, and Konnan are all possible voters among people in the business. If jdw wanders into this thread he could give you an even better list.

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#3 Posted on 27.8.03 2336.50
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That's actually pretty cool.....I'm surprised Vince would allow this kind of independant thought from his employees.
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#4 Posted on 28.8.03 0018.19
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Don't know when J.R mentioned Shawn being a first ballot Hall of Famer he was talking about Meltzers HOF. I've heard JR mention that about Shawn before and I always thought he was alluding to the prestigious WWF/E Hall of Fame.

I think it's right for Shawn to be in the Hall, sure most are going to state his politics he played as a strike against him. But from most interviews I hear a lot of the younger smaller wrestlers got the confidence of thinking they have a shot of being a pro wrestler because of Shawn and that alone he should be in the HOF
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#5 Posted on 28.8.03 0346.55
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    Originally posted by Big Bad
    Who all gets the votes, anyway, and why is CRZ not one of them?
I'm pretty sure I don't show up on Meltz' radar, since he's never invited me over to his house despite me living so close. ;-) In past years, I would have said "I'm not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing" but given some of the "writers" that DO have votes in that thing, I think I'm a little miffed! (Not really.) Maybe in five or ten years the people eligible for the Hall will be people I would feel comfortable evaluating in a historical sense, but in 2003 I'm not sure I could credibly say I have the knowledge required of a "Hall of Fame" pick. Then again, I've overestimated the importance of such things before, and I should probably repeat that given some of the people who DO have votes....but now I'm going in circles. ;-)
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#6 Posted on 28.8.03 0828.31
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How big is the Hall anyway?
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#7 Posted on 28.8.03 0841.17
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    Originally posted by SomeRandomFag IV
    How big is the Hall anyway?
Click Here (otherarena.com) (needs this year added)

More WONHOFpoop (wrestlingclassics.com)

(edited by CRZ on 28.8.03 0643)
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#8 Posted on 28.8.03 0947.11
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I find it amusing picturing an actual wrestling hall of fame. (located in Rio de Janeiro, of course)

Why is anything non ring-related even considered on something like this? I mean, these guys aren't choir boys to begin with so it's not like a Pete Rose situation. I would think in a profession where deception rules, there wouldn't be issues of "backstage politics" when selecting the all-time greats. I dunno... it just seems like another popularity contest to me.

That being said, I'm still kinda surprised that Michaels went in ahead of Taker.
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#9 Posted on 28.8.03 1533.50
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Hell, now you mention it. Could you imaging walking through the actual hall of fame, and seeing the busts of all those wrestlers. Anyone who has been through the Football Hall, knows that can be quit the amusing experance. Road Warrior Animal and Vader would be particualry amusing.

How long do you see this thing going on for though? I can only see maybe four WWE guys left who will make it. I know they are adding MMA to the mix, and of course you have Mexico and Japan. But it's not as if the current top draw from NWA Alabama is going to be selected.
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#10 Posted on 28.8.03 1751.18
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To shill, I'm supposed to do an interview with Dave about the HOF sometime in the near future (was supposed to be this week, but fell through).
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#11 Posted on 28.8.03 2337.50
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I'm probably attributing this to the wrong source, but I believe it was Bob Barnett that said "I've been to Dave's house, there ain't no hall of fame in there."
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#12 Posted on 29.8.03 0146.13
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I was perusing the list of WON HOF'ers at the other arena and didn't see anyone who made me say "oh, bullshit" to their induction (although I did see a lot that made me say "who?"), but I saw a few that I thought were in there too early. Bret Hart and Hulk Hogan were inducted in 1996; Keiji Mutoh (Great Muta) was inducted in 1999; Steve Austin and Mick Foley were inducted in 2000. I know that it would be almost impossible to have a stipulation of "not eligible until X years after retirement" since no one ever really retires from wrestling, but Bret and Hogan in 1996? Mutoh in 99? Austin and Foley in 2000? Certainly they were all definitely HOF'ers by any reasonable standard at those points in time, but only Foley was close to the end of his career; he retired in 2001, a year after his induction.

It's possible that they use a stip like "eligible X years after first pro match." Anyone know?
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#13 Posted on 29.8.03 0205.35
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I agree with Rockstar that there should be some kind of a 'waiting period' like baseball has (five years after retirement). Though since wrestling retirements rarely stick, some other criteria would have to be made.

Apparently Angle is up for induction next year, and he'll probably make it. It still seems like just yesterday he was wrestling Sean Stasiak at Survivor Series.
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#14 Posted on 29.8.03 0643.26
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Christ, it didn't take much to get in in '96 now did it. I know you gotta fill the Hall up a little, but that much?

Jim Ross sticks out like a sore thumb on that list.
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#15 Posted on 29.8.03 0644.52
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    Originally posted by SomeRandomFag IV
    Christ, it didn't take much to get in in '96 now did it. I know you gotta fill the Hall up a little, but that much?

    Jim Ross sticks out like a sore thumb on that list.
I believe Meltz pretty much handled that initial class of '96. Shap needs to come back over here and splain it.
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#16 Posted on 29.8.03 0857.06
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Foley was close to the end of his career; he retired in 2001, a year after his induction.

I don't actually remember Mick wrestling a match since April 1, 2000...

When he was inducted, he was done.
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#17 Posted on 29.8.03 1401.15
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It's not based on retirement. The "waiting period" is 35 years old *or* 15 years after pro debut. (So Angle is on the ballot long before he's had 15 years and Rey Mysterio will be on long before he's 35.) There's no way you could wait until people retire, since retirements never stick, though 35 y/o might still be too soon.

Dave picked the initial class in 1996 of people he considered must-haves for any pro wrestling Hall. In 1997, I think he picked oversights. In 1998, they started the voting process.
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#18 Posted on 29.8.03 1639.26
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I say get them in quick, as we have seen, some wrestlers aren't living long enough to get grey hair.

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#19 Posted on 30.8.03 1345.10
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    Originally posted by JMShapiro
    It's not based on retirement. The "waiting period" is 35 years old *or* 15 years after pro debut. (So Angle is on the ballot long before he's had 15 years and Rey Mysterio will be on long before he's 35.) There's no way you could wait until people retire, since retirements never stick, though 35 y/o might still be too soon.

    Dave picked the initial class in 1996 of people he considered must-haves for any pro wrestling Hall. In 1997, I think he picked oversights. In 1998, they started the voting process.


I had no idea Angle was that old already.

I take it once you hit one of the two requirements you are pretty much on the ballet for life. So realisticly Jim Powers could send fruitcakes out to the panel of judges to get his way in one day.
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#20 Posted on 30.8.03 1505.27
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If you get less than 10% of the ballot, you get taken off for the next year. You can get readded if you hit the other requirement or if you've had a year where Dave thinks you should be reconsidered.
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